Onesock......it sure can be frustrating dealing with people sometimes. I personally agree with everything youv'e said and definitely IBEP is a must for all new archery hunters. especially crossbow hunters because they are so much different than a bow. And FYI everyone I have Known Kirk for about 15 years now and he does know what hes talking about I hunt Whitetails with him every year and respect his opinion immensely. Some of you should do the same. Islander