Whitetail doe season... is it time to take end it?

[338win mag]

Actually mule deer are responding nicely to the reduction in WT deer in the east kootenays and numbers are on upswing for mule deer.

Please post the link for the data.

[LBM]

This coming from a guy that thinks Idaho and WA are easily compared to BC. That being said, maybe if you like those places so much FD, you know what to do!

Was going to bring up the same point.

[LBM]

Actually mule deer are responding nicely to the reduction in WT deer in the east kootenays and numbers are on upswing for mule deer.

Maybe in some MUs they are doing better but in many they are not and the whitetail numbers are down. According to one of the links the reduction of whitetail (doe season)
wasn't done to help in the declining population of mule deer. Actually were lots of the whitetail were hunted/harvested were not in typical mule deer habitat.

[Wild one]

Can someone provide a count for the koots showing an increase in MD numbers?

I am not doubting the 2 members observations. Just looking for confirmation of these observations

Even with this WT management proven a failure elsewhere I am open to the possibility under the correct habitat conditions it may hold merit. Many parts of BC with this WT management plan MD populations are still declining

Under habitat of hilly heavy jack pine forest( far from farmland or prairie FD) on the edge of the foothills it failed. Predator numbers high as well. It’s fact it failed here

So is it working in the koots and what factors are playing a roll in its success here when it’s a failure elsewhere?

Is there other factors why MD are increasing if numbers show an increase?

With many parts of the koots holding habitat better suited to MD I am open to this being a factor creating a difference between success and failure.

Always said habitat would be the big factor on the future range of these two species

So can someone here provide facts of an increase of MD in at least part of the koot?

So FD I can give example of this management plans failure and I am still open to facts showing it successful under the right habitat conditions. Can you prove it successful I am listening?

[ramcam]

Actually mule deer are responding nicely to the reduction in WT deer in the east kootenays and numbers are on upswing for mule deer.

The East Kootenays are a little bigger than your back yard Everett, the Elkvalley is in a downward trend with Elk, whitetail and mule deer so knocking off the doe killing for a while would
really help the population. Where the population can handle it its a good management tool but not used correctly it is by no means a good management idea.

[Wild one]

Oh before you start I support WT doe harvest in the koots but only because I see it sustainable and see it good for buck vs doe ratios

So far from anti doe harvest

[Fisher-Dude]

The East Kootenays are a little bigger than your back yard Everett, the Elkvalley is in a downward trend with Elk, whitetail and mule deer so knocking off the doe killing for a while would
really help the population. Where the population can handle it its a good management tool but not used correctly it is by no means a good management idea.

Help what population?

If you increase WT population, you'll pay the price in MD populations, and elk to some extent too.

One thing that's missing in all our discussions is what we want to manage for. If we don't define that, then any path we take is a blind one.

If we decide we want to manage for a really high WT population, that's fine. But in doing so, we need to understand that we'll have to accept fewer mule deer as a result. Trying to manage one species in isolation of the rest of the ecosystem is a complete failure.

[hardnocks]

I would shoot a dry doe if i seen one . but some of those fawns that come from twins and triplets in oct. still have spots . so what are you going to shoot a 50lb fawn or the mother .
i went and hunted in the yahk in oct.i am not a road hunter so i put on many miles . seen maybe 60 does and fawns could have shot some . but most were on the dead run . i kinda wondered how many doe`s and fawns were wounded by guys shooting at running deer .

[Bugle M In]

I haven't seen a drop in WT #'s in my opinion, as it seems about the same year after year.
The one thing I have noticed, and I believe it's due to Preds #'s increasing, is that the deer seem to be hiding a bit more, a little skittish then in the past I guess you could say, and for days, it can look like #'s are down, and then suddenly after a good dump of rain, they are running across the road all over the place.
Doubt there is a serious issue up there as of yet, but then again, I choose not to hunt Does.

[Onesock]

Wild One I guess you are not getting the info you asked for. I wonder why? Lol.