Yessir. There's a reason a big yellow banner appears on my screen whenever one of a selected number of individuals posts anything on here.Originally Posted by Darksith
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Yessir. There's a reason a big yellow banner appears on my screen whenever one of a selected number of individuals posts anything on here.
HuntingBC Champ
Those are porn pop-ups
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some "people" tend to use the paneling in the living room to fuel their fires.Originally Posted by hunter1947
I think I do perrty good for only having grad 7 education
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Scale, buddy.
Way cheaper for me to service one big line selling gigawatts to a mine than a spider web of infrastructure to light up 300,000 dispersed, piddly homes.
Selling to the mine is incremental business that I don't have to cover all my fixed costs with, either. Incremental margins don't have to be nearly as big for me to make lots of money. If I don't work with that business partner to help make him viable, then I don't get that incremental margin and I make less.
Riding the pity train will ensure you're not going to do better for yourself. Take advantage of these opportunities when they present themselves instead of crying about how well the other guy is doing.
but man how much pepporoni can your arshole take anyways !
HuntingBC Champ
Hmm USA republicans had 8 years of making promises..have done shit..since elected..and now squabbling like mentally challenged baboons..squandering their only chance at positive? change..
BC has peeeeeeed" away numerous opportunities to extract LNG resources and make some money..nope dumb asses..one and all
Now they came close to walking away leaving 4 Billion on the table..
We are a hunting forum..i get that..however we are tax payers..most of us..ouch!..and we ALL use electricity..and d having some..any return helps..sign good deals others need the electricity too..
The dummies in Victoria are throwing every money making enterprise under the bus..gas, oil, electricity..
When your and my taxes, electric, gas bills soar. ..few will have the $$$$$ to play at our chosen sport..
And the insane $$$ thrown at unions, daycare, natives, welfare, etc etc etc..taps coming in ..shut off..taps going g out wide open broken off..it's going to crash soon..no option..we have spent the whole thing..
People hated Harper and ridiculed Christy. ..however both watched the bottom line..unlike Ontario and USA.
It's now broke and you can't fix stupid..
Steven
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srupp.. Ontario and USA.
It's now broke and you can't fix stupid.. https://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/glance.htm
well us economy is not doing too bad,,,,unless i have wrong info..or maybe yu meant something else?
HuntingBC Champ
Hmm lots of Ontario households can't afford to pay their hydro..lots making payments on their monthly hydro bill..
Yes USA has 4th quarter 3% growth..by kicking the debt problem down the road..most Americans can't afford health care. .dysfunctional gov't sore loses and incompetent governing group..
Of course their screaming look at how well we are doing..fang stocks etc hiding their billions overseas..80 % of Americans are 1 illness, sickness from losing their life's savings. .home..the average American is not doing so well..the top 20% are doing fine...
Ps if the tax reform does not go through watch USA, Canadian stock market immediately drop 20%..then drop again when the realization no one will allow trump to govern..not dems" not even his party..and he simply will tweet his way till his defeat.
Steven
Last edited by srupp; 12-14-2017 at 05:12 PM.
You know, it's funny what a well thought out, measured response will do FD. I think you've, at least partly, changed my mind on this actually.
upon some reflection, I realize the inconsistency I was attempting to point out isn't really that inconsistent after all. Thanks for spurring that thought process. Site C does have the capability to produce an other large, bill paying industry for the benefit of the province. Let's just be clear that is what we're supporting - not direct benefits to BC Hydro ratepayers as its being sold.
So If we both agree that there are potential benefits, I guess it just comes down to a value judgement one way or the other. It's obvious that if you put little value on wild open spaces, and damn good ranch land, or the FN right to self determination; the spinoff of a new natural gas industry seems like a no-brainer. I myself just think of the land being sacrificed as irreplaceable, and having immeasurable value as it sits now. While at the same time, I have significant doubts about what exactly it is I'm supposed to be gaining out of the deal individually, if anything. The liberals have made a vaguely weak case that I will gain from the sacrifice, as do you. I'm not so sure.
At the end of the day, I understand that I don't know enough about the specifics of the project to make a reasoned judgement, and that I have to live in a democracy with all its benefits and hinderances. I think this is a good demonstration of how it works to be honest. BC hydro, like all other Crown monopolies have always had a high potential for abuse. Therefore independent regulatory bodies, like the BCUC, are essential for their continued success and to avoid corruption. When a political arm circumvents one of those bodies, that is assumed to collectively know their sh:t, it's never going to foster trust amongst the stakeholders. So far that disruption in the public trust has nearly cost us 4 billion in this example alone.
For better or worse, we're all stakeholders in this. The project here takes on an entirely different light if we view it as a major, multi-decade, public business investment of which we're all partners. I just take issue with the fact that it's being sold to people as necessary for their own Hydro consumption when there are tons of better alternatives coming online for that if that were indeed the objective.
It certainly has nothing to with wishing to see others fail; I'm fortunate that money is not so desperately needed for I, nor my loved ones. I have lots of things that I'd be willing to sell if the deal made sense. However, when it comes to selling "super-natural BC", my bar for what "makes sense" is very high, and I try to extend that out to whom it is I elect whenever possible.
BC hydro's recent history of deal making isn't looking very bright under the liberal tenure either. An other hit against the public's trust and therefore rightfully compromising future ventures.
If Christy Clarke had fulfilled her primary role as a leader on this, she would have made more of an effort to sell her values on "the big picture", rather than ramming through a project by deriding the values of others and being dishonest with what her true objectives were. Inadvertently it's you doing her job for her in your post above.
Last edited by Pemby_mess; 12-14-2017 at 06:34 PM.
Lots of BC households coming into the same position. Mostly rural ones, as in Ontario. We just have a stronger disinformation campaign here. My father-in-law is the most frugal person I know by a long shot - last winter he was paying 600/month for his hydro. Little old man, by himself, heating with wood, sitting in the dark and 4 layers of clothes on.
ontario's problem is exactly the same as BC's - don't kid yourself. Same people involved to. I'll stay away from conspiracy theories because conspiracies between a total of two organizations are unthinkable!
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this is spot on! ^^^^
"When you judge another you don't define them, you define yourself."
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Frankly, I do not believe the assertion that Site C will churn out anywhere near 1,000 permanent jobs... that is wishful thinking and more spin from our "leaders". This project is nothing more than a chip off of Christy's greatly inflated ego and her pipe dream of an LNG utopia. Wait, it is more... it is without question a multi-generational DEBT that is unlikely to create sustainable long term jobs or new industry. We will end up selling power to Alberta and the US at a loss. Shameful.
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