i donno whats goin on... but this weekend i was out shed hunting and the gf and i ran into a small .. looked like 3 year old blackie....it was down low on the westside... way below the snow line... then on sunday we went up fishing at turtle lake... and at the second canyon on mcculloch road we ran into a mom with 2 young ones from last year...i couldnt believe it!... i wonder if they are out for good?... since they are so low down!