Resolution to Raise the Age Requirement for Big Game Hunting Wildlife

[walks with deer]

The resolution was approved at the Region 1 level. What you are seeing is a notice of the resolution package that will go to the floor of the AGM in Dawson Creek for delegate approval or rejection of each resolution in the package. If you are a member of a BCWF club, you should make sure your club is discussing how the club delegates should vote on all resolutions at the AGM. The same thing goes for the direct members' club. If your club is not sending a delegate(s), they should be.

All those retired islanders are bored.
I am sure they dream up weird shit all winter while it rains all day and all night for 4 months straight.

[HarryToolips]

Please tell me you are not being serious? I think you are confusing Morals with Ethics they are two different animals. Things can be morally wrong but ethically right .
The govt doesn't issue a tag expecting an animal to die for every tag issued .Illegal Party hunters and Poachers use that justification all the time to shoot on someone else's tags and "claim" it was wounded or what difference does it make who shoots it they have ruined it for legitimate hunters .
If a person cant shoot hasn't practiced and expects to rely on a backup shooter then they need to work on that (barley hitting a paper plate at 100yds yet willing to take a 400yd shot is all to common) .
If its wounded then track it and make every reasonable effort to find it and learn from your mistake . Even a licensed hunter shooting backup when they are not in possession of a valid species authorization/tag for that animal is shooting on another persons tag and considered poaching. it would be considered by definition unethical as is having to lie to the inspector ,CO, LEO or even worse teaching a child to lie to them. Thats like the second and third item on the "Its unlawful" list! .The only scenario in which a person can do that is outlined in the dispatching dangerous animals section of the regs . Im curious in what other jurisdiction in Canada is a person allowed to shoot on someone else's tag without official designation?
Whether I agree or disagree morally with the laws has no bearing on what is and what isnt considered ethical. Anyways we seem to be getting a bit off topic , as for the age being changed for kids .I dont think any kid is gonna care if they can only hunt deer and small game for the first two years as long as they get to hunt something they are happy (at least mine feels that way),only the people that use the kids tags or leh application are going to be really put out. The whole LEH system needs to be tuned up changed but thats a whole nother matter

I disagree, I have a buddy who's oldest son was 10 or 11 and he shot his first bull moose on a group LEH tag....and I hear ya about the regs regarding who does the shooting, but I agree with Ryo that under the unique circumstance that the animal is running off wounded, you should be allowed to ground that animal ASAP with the aid of someone else in your hunting party...

[HappyJack]

I’ll be the one to say it.
BCs laws regarding harvesting an animal are ****ing stupid.
a tag is a tag. If they issue a tag for an animal they expect it to die.
if the tag is cut after the animal is dead it should be legal. Like most provinces that have common sense.

in no world should it be illegal for another licensed hunter to put down an already injured and shot animal.
anime who thinks otherwise is an idiot IMO.

Ethics out weigh this stupid law.
if I was hunting with someone that wounded a game animal and couldn’t finish it themself, and I had the opportunity I would take it and wouldn’t feel an iota of guilt.

when my kid starts hunting, if he injured an amimal with a bad shot you better believe I’m about to take the responsibility to finish what he started.

I noticed you had one comeback to this post, from some heathen! I agree with you 100%, we should never let an animal suffer needlessly when we have the ability to put a stop to it.

I've shot wounded animals before, cut my deer tag on a spike buck that someone had blown the front leg off. Put down a doe that sustenance hunters had shot and it was trying to get away dragging it's intestines while they chased other deer they had shot at. I've followed blood trails for handicapped hunters that couldn't and made sure the game animal was dead. I've also killed deer with broken legs on the highway.

I'd never turn my back on a wounded animal because some holier than thou person thinks calling it poaching makes it the wrong thing to do.

As for LEH group hunts, why? If it's not legal for individual tag holders in a group hunting camp, why do they allow this under LEH? In either situation 90% of the hunters share the meat, so how do they justify making it legal in one situation and not the other? A lot of the things they do under LEH are senseless.

[KodiakHntr]

As for LEH group hunts, why? If it's not legal for individual tag holders in a group hunting camp, why do they allow this under LEH? In either situation 90% of the hunters share the meat, so how do they justify making it legal in one situation and not the other? A lot of the things they do under LEH are senseless.

How is it that you think it’s allowed under a group LEH?

In a group you all have to buy a tag if you are going to be hunting, and once you kill an animal and cut your tag you are done killing.

[high horse Hal]

So how did this proposal even start out? How did it get passed at the club level?
Then it has to pass at the regional level, thats a few more than 'a couple old fudds'

Whether it has merit or not should have been settled at the outset, apparently those that showed up liked it

Thanks for posting OP... ppl should start cancelling their BCWF memberships and voicing their disgust.....

theres the answer, everyone quit in disgust

[scoutlt1]

Thanks for posting this.

Anything...absolutely anything....that restricts young boys and girls from getting into hunting and shooting is wrong. Plain and simple.

If there is an issue with some adults taking advantage of a 10/11 year old with LEH, then find a way to deal with the adults in the room. Don't take the opportunity away from the kids.

I know this is only "proposed", but the fact that it made it to this point is simply wrong.

Young people need to be exposed and involved in every outdoor activity as early in life as possible. That includes camping, fishing, boating, hiking, and yes.....hunting and shooting. They are our future. Let's not f**k it up!!!

The BCWF is supposed to be fighting for us. Doesn't look like that. Not sure who proposed this, but again....simply wrong!

As has been stated many times on here. Manage wildlife, not hunters. Clearly not on the agenda apparently.

The majority of hunters are law abiding and ethical, and are all about passing their knowledge on to their children and grandchildren. I know I am, and have been.

Ok that's all I've got...

M.

[The Hermit]

Here is the letter I sent to the VFGPA...

I am strongly opposed to the resolution to raise the age requirement for big game hunting wildlife.


1) It shouldn’t matter what other Provinces do or do not do.


2) The fact that our opportunities are shrinking shouldn’t justify forbidding a class of hunters from participating in elk and moose hunts based on age - next it could be 70 year olds can’t hunt big game either because we can’t carry a heavy load either! It is agist discrimination and not a fair justification at all.


3) Just because many kids are not ready physically and mentally ready to hunt big game does not mean that those that are ready should be punished.


4) Youth hunt require adults to be there anyway so the class of animal shouldn’t matter at all. I haven’t seen a deer in the Vancouver Island backcountry in years so I’d have to take my grandkids to other regions to hunt anyway so why not have the opportunity for moose and elk? Its crazy to think it is okay for a 10 year old to be able to hunt bear bunt not a moose or elk.




This whole resolution is just a way to appease sore losers in the LEH system. If you want to change something then change the LEH system or put forward resolutions to have the government add opportunity rather than play into their hands by screwing over one group of hunters over the others!


Frankly this resolution is BS and to reiterate I am STRONGLY opposed.

Here is the reply...

Good morning, Bill

This draft resolution was submitted by Region 1 (Vancouver Island).

It was tabled at the fall Region 1 Member Club meeting, and was fully debated, edited, and then passed unanimously. As the meeting Chair, I only vote if there was a tie, but I understood the rational, and as a father and grandfather, could have supported if my vote was needed.

FYI, the person who drafted this resolution has hunted with his children from a very young age; indeed, for much of their infant life, his kids were raised in a wall tent.

The motion will now go to the floor of the BCWF at the upcoming April AGM. I am copying the President of the VFGPA and recommend that he share your concern with the VFGPA delegation to that meeting.

Sincerely,

**********************

So my take away is: If you belong to a club be sure to attend the damned meetings. IMHO this should never have been passed at the regional level. Now waiting to see what the delegates decide at the BCWF AGM. If passed you can be sure I'll be raising my objections to the Ministry reps and would at that time encourage you all to do the same.

[358mag]

Thanks for posting this.

Anything...absolutely anything....that restricts young boys and girls from getting into hunting and shooting is wrong. Plain and simple.

If there is an issue with some adults taking advantage of a 10/11 year old with LEH, then find a way to deal with the adults in the room. Don't take the opportunity away from the kids.

I know this is only "proposed", but the fact that it made it to this point is simply wrong.

Young people need to be exposed and involved in every outdoor activity as early in life as possible. That includes camping, fishing, boating, hiking, and yes.....hunting and shooting. They are our future. Let's not f**k it up!!!

The BCWF is supposed to be fighting for us. Doesn't look like that. Not sure who proposed this, but again....simply wrong!

As has been stated many times on here. Manage wildlife, not hunters. Clearly not on the agenda apparently.

The majority of hunters are law abiding and ethical, and are all about passing their knowledge on to their children and grandchildren. I know I am, and have been.

Ok that's all I've got...

M.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Great post ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Nailed it 100%

[IronNoggin]

So my take away is: If you belong to a club be sure to attend the damned meetings. IMHO this should never have been passed at the regional level. Now waiting to see what the delegates decide at the BCWF AGM. If passed you can be sure I'll be raising my objections to the Ministry reps and would at that time encourage you all to do the same.

I will certainly be following suit Bill.

[Bernie O]

I definetly am not in favour of this motion but lets not forget that this is motion proposed by fellow hunters in a democratic way.
When I read things like lets leave the federation I have to wonder what we would without a voice for hunters in this province. Definetly oppose this but do it in a democratic way. Some of you are starting to sound like liberals by thinking your way is the only way. Hunters can and should argue about whats right or wrong but lets not attack each other. We have enough enemies.