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Thread: What would it take for tomorrow to be like "the good old days"?

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    What would it take for tomorrow to be like "the good old days"?

    Hi all,

    Long thread warning. Buckle up.

    I love reading all the threads and knowledge from some of the old timers and wiley hunting vets on this page. Lots of insight and wisdom to be gained from stories about the good ol' days.

    As a guy that got into hunting six years ago in his mid 30's with no mentorship and just a "sh!t or get off the pot" mindset, I still have a ton to learn. I also am dead set on giving back more than I receive in terms of conservation and passing on this way of life to as many friends and future generations as I can.

    This question has been nagging at me for a while now, and I thought it would be interesting to see if a tangible list of changes, additions, subtractions or amendments could be created amongst the HBC family.

    hoping we can all agree that pointing fingers at the government is obvioius, and we can just avoid that and instead focus on what we can actually do, here and now for the future of hunting.

    let's also try to avoid finger pointing at any particular user groups, as that doesn't lead to any positive solution oriented ideas either.

    Questions:

    - what are some things that we as hunters can do right now to make hunting in BC better now and in the future?

    - what are some attainable goals within our collective capabilities that we could work towards?

    - what would it take for wildlife populations to thrive more then they are now, to a point where the government had no choice but to increase tags and sustainable harvest quotas?

    in my mind, BC has so much more opportunity with hunting as a natural resource. it should be way better for BC residents and non resident hunters alike.


    some things to consider:

    hunter participation:
    There were 85,000 hunters in BC in 2005. as of 2020 there were 107,000. Some might see that as a negative. I see it as an opportunity. that should equate to a larger voice to our government. perhaps more importantly, it represents an opportunity to push more money back into the resource.
    - is BC doing a good job at pumping money back into fisheries and wildlife? I am pretty sure we're not, since Idaho has more elk than BC (as an example).
    - how would we go about changing this?

    fund raising:
    What if we expanded auctioning off special tags to raise more money, similar to the special sheep permit, which went for $270,000 USD.
    Imagine what five special permit Grizzly tags could go for at Auction. is that an additional $$500K - 750K right there? I would be up for that, even if the hunt remained closed to BC residents. If anything, that would be a catalyst to show the government the opportunity with a potential LEH restarting.

    Divided stakeholders:
    from a relative newcomer, it seems like there are too many smaller, individual organizations, and an opportunity to do a better job at being one unified voice.
    the BCWF is the largest in terms of membership, but then you have BC BHA, Hunters for BC, Wild Sheep society, RMEF, Ducks Unlimited, One Campfire and many more.

    are we as hunters best served this way, or is there a way that our voice could be better heard through one unified agency? one example would be the NRA down south. They have massive levels of push back, but the sheer size of the organization (in terms of people and financially) is such an asset.

    what if all of those organizations all agreed to fall under one umbrella organization? more dollars to aid in conservation and fight legal battles. more names for petitions.

    it seems like we as hunters are often our worst enemies. I see a lot of people getting side tracked because of one or two things that they might not like. an example would be some people not wanting to support the BCWF because they weren't strong enough on one thing or another.

    is an NRA style BC hunter organization even possible? if so, how?

    Promoting an accurate and positive view of hunters and improving "the brand".
    I think we are doing pretty good here. Special shout out to Mark Hall (Blood Origins), Dylan Eyers (Eat Wild) and Jesse Zeeman (BCWF) who are great ambassadors for hunting here in BC.

    -the more we can get loud and transparent about the multi directional benefits of hunting, the better. I think there's probably an opportunity to better cross promote via social media to the younger demographics.

    my initial takeaways:
    regardless of who is in power, we can do a much better job of becoming a unified voice, and need to unless we want to be "managed to zero".

    Money Talks and cash is king - the more money we can generate for hunting and conservation, the better. we need to find better ways of:
    1. generating more money and effectively spending it.
    2: getting more grants / tax money allocated out of the provincial budget for hunting and conservation.


    In summary: what are 1 - 3 things that we can tangibly, measurably and realistically do better as hunters to improve hunting in BC now and in the future, to make it like "the good old days"?

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    Re: What would it take for tomorrow to be like "the good old days"?

    Damn. Thought for a second this was about life before marriage…








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    Re: What would it take for tomorrow to be like "the good old days"?

    On a serious note, you sound like you’ve given this a lot of thought, and have come up with some great questions, all without using “words” like prolly and ect. Have you considered getting involved with any of the hunter advocacy groups in a more meaningful way than just as a member? I don’t think we need another new organization, but if we had an “executive council” of some sort that was made up of senior members of BCWF, BHA, RMEF and WSS, it might go a long way towards unifying our voices.
    If we’re not supposed to eat animals, how come they’re made out of meat?

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    Re: What would it take for tomorrow to be like "the good old days"?

    I do think it depends on who’s in power to a certain degree. The NDP does not have hunters, fishers, or outdoorsmen’s best interests in mind. Their actions have spoken loud enough with regards to policies, socially based decisions rather than science backed, and their appeasement of the FN in the “name of reconciliation.” The NDP is doing the same in Manitoba and I’m gunna hunt my ass off out there for Whitetails while I’m still allowed to.

    In terms of finances and more $$$ being pumped into the wildlife, habitat management and so forth… if we were to compare freshwater fishing licensing vs hunting licenses and tags…allegedly 100% of freshwater fishing license fees go towards the freshwater fishing society of BC and please anyone, correct me if I’m wrong, the same cannot be said for our hunting licenses and tags. There’s more funds right there if we were to quit dumping money into general revenue for the province.

    I think you raised some valid questions and points; this is a pretty thought provoking thread. We’re a pretty fractured province right now whether it be “604’s vs the interior” or license buying hunters vs the “stewards of the land” and the list goes on. I would like to think we would all like to see our resources make a healthy comeback but like your post insinuates, how do we get there?

    Thanks for getting this going

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    Re: What would it take for tomorrow to be like "the good old days"?

    How far back are the good ol days?

    If we go back to last year there's no antlerless whitetail season in region 5...

    2015 when we still had grizzly draws?

    2002 when we're only allowed 3 wolves in region 5?

    1991 when we were only allowed 5 geese?

    1980s when we didn't have elk hunting in region 5 or 6?

    To a time where forums where in the form of magazines, could ask the world what caliber is best for hunting?

    A time when e-scouting wasn't a thing. When you had to learn from maps without satellite imagery.

    When it took 2 days to travel from Vancouver to the interior?

    The landscape is changing.

    We cry that central bc didn't have moose and that there was elk running around until the ranchers shot them off. But we cry that the moose numbers aren't what they use to be.

    We preach that hunting doesn't effect population numbers, but we scream that we need the grizzly bear hunt back to knock down the grizzly bear numbers.

    We encourage hunter recruitment, but complain when there's other guys in "our spot"
    Last edited by warnniklz; 09-05-2024 at 07:17 AM.

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    Re: What would it take for tomorrow to be like "the good old days"?

    This isn’t good for people and it’s not good for wildlife.

    There’s an elephant in the room but we just have to look up.

    This has 25 million views…for good reason.

    https://youtu.be/rf78rEAJvhY?si=0KAYgBLZd_1oMl4H

    SSS
    https://oceola.ca/
    http://bcwf.net/index.php
    http://www.wildsheepsociety.net/

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    Re: What would it take for tomorrow to be like "the good old days"?

    we would need a SHTF scenario...heheheh

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    Re: What would it take for tomorrow to be like "the good old days"?

    Quote Originally Posted by mini huey View Post
    I do think it depends on who’s in power to a certain degree. The NDP does not have hunters, fishers, or outdoorsmen’s best interests in mind. Their actions have spoken loud enough with regards to policies, socially based decisions rather than science backed, and their appeasement of the FN in the “name of reconciliation.” The NDP is doing the same in Manitoba and I’m gunna hunt my ass off out there for Whitetails while I’m still allowed to.

    In terms of finances and more $$$ being pumped into the wildlife, habitat management and so forth… if we were to compare freshwater fishing licensing vs hunting licenses and tags…allegedly 100% of freshwater fishing license fees go towards the freshwater fishing society of BC and please anyone, correct me if I’m wrong, the same cannot be said for our hunting licenses and tags. There’s more funds right there if we were to quit dumping money into general revenue for the province.

    I think you raised some valid questions and points; this is a pretty thought provoking thread. We’re a pretty fractured province right now whether it be “604’s vs the interior” or license buying hunters vs the “stewards of the land” and the list goes on. I would like to think we would all like to see our resources make a healthy comeback but like your post insinuates, how do we get there?

    Thanks for getting this going
    I believe you're right regarding wildlife and the govt put our hunting licenses fees etc into general revenue rather than back into the resource. IMO, that is issue#1 that needs to be addressed.

    OP you make some great points/questions, but like Warnniklz said, there are certain things that have improved from what I've seen (though I only started hunting 15 years ago)..

    Others can correct me if I'm wrong here but the RMEF is an American organization, though maybe they have a branch in BC?

    IMO it all starts with funding, then we can initiate more habitat restoration, wildlife corridor fencing around highways, hunter and FNs education (it's good that we see signs like 'don't shoot the cow moose' but maybe we can take it a step further), etc...and once funding is greater, they can start setting # objectives for wildlife..

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    Re: What would it take for tomorrow to be like "the good old days"?

    Make poaching a serious crime, and make judges accountable for wrist slapping.
    MM

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