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    Re: National Indigenous Day BCWF Reconciliation Dialogue

    I'm not into having a "National Day" for any race and I don't feel any different about the Indians. One day. National Human Day. One day in which we recognize man's inhumanity to man and that all human beings are the same.
    Last edited by 180grainer; 06-10-2021 at 08:12 PM.
    This is no longer a pandemic. It's an IQ test.

    Not a Doctor, but research quinine.
    You can take vitamin D3 with tonic water. Tonic water has quinine in it. Schweppes actually has it right on the can "Contains Quinine". My understanding is, quinine is a derivative of hydroxychloroquine. Used by the British in Africa to prevent malaria, just like HCQ, (tastes like shit which is why they added gin). If you get a cold or the flu. Tonic water, D3, C and zinc.



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    Re: National Indigenous Day BCWF Reconciliation Dialogue

    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Chipman View Post
    Wildcatter:

    You're correct, we see things differently. You think I'm an apologist and that you're not. You've probably got that inverted, in fact - from where I sit you look like you're trying to run interference for a Catholic Church and a government of sleazy politicians who are being accused of what, for those two groups, is some pretty run of the mill ****ery. I mean, no offence, but am I the only guy here who knows multiple jokes about Catholic priests and child abuse?

    Tell me how I'm wrong on these two things:

    1) BCWF and most hunting/angling conservationists need to preserve and enhance fish and wildlife populations and maintain access to them. We don't need to worry about who's right and wrong about Kamloops, and we don't need to protect politicians who buy pipelines, and we don't need to worry about what BLM said, or what statue got torn down or who said what on the radio/social media/newspaper. We didn't cause those things, we don't control them and they aren't going to help us get more sheep on the mountain. We need to pick our battles, and we need to pick a battle that we have an outside chance of winning. (That's your cue - show me how I wrong on that).


    2) To accomplish #1 BCWF and most hunting/angling conservationists need to have an effective working relationship with FNs because FNs exert a significant amount of influence over what we do. If FNs express sensitivity over anything and we just dismiss it as unproven or unreasonable I think it's reasonable to assume that FNs will be even less inclined to speak with us, let alone collaborate. You can't make a deal with someone if you start by saying "Why are you such a friggin' cry-baby? You've got nothing to cry about". That's a really poor sales presentation. (Again, tell me how I'm wrong about that).

    You can't leave the 215 out. You're delusional if you think that you can. This is confirmation, not news. There will be more. The longer you question the validity of the pain that FNs are expressing over this the longer you're not going to get along with them.

    I can only speculate why you want to resist admitting that it's not a good thing to kidnap kids, deliver them into the hands of strangers and occasionally bury them in unmarked graves. Nobody needs to prove murder. It's already bad enough. If that had happened to one of my family members I'd bear a grudge, and I'd be right to do it. Wouldn't you? I know you're upset about how the world is changing, but getting mad at me for responding to the change won't solve your anger.

    Bottom line: BCWF and all hunter/angler conservationists need to deal with the challenge posed by the political and social power that Indigenous people have. We can choose to celebrate or hate the fact that FNs have this power, but have it they do and we live in the real world. We can't figure out how to do it effectively (because we need member direction, buy in and support) without having the conversation. That's what this is about. Register, submit questions, attend.

    The alternative is not acceptable.
    Rob,

    I am not trying to run any interference, it was the political elite (mostly British) at the time who decided on the program they implemented.
    The different churches (not just the Catholics) were tasked with running it so why they get picked on all the time?
    And for sure they did a poor job at that, but we don't know if there were other choices, remember child mortality was very high back then
    and conditions were bad on the reserves.

    I was brought up as a Catholic, me and my brother had to go to church every Sunday, I was even an altar boy for a while,
    but I never heard or experienced such horrible acts, the priests and nuns were all decent people.
    Is it a Canadian, or North American trait, what happened here and why?

    I'm all for preserving fish and wildlife and access to, but the way I see it and the way things are going, the battle is already lost.
    The FN are not crybabies, they are way past that, they are now DEMANDING everything and because the lawyers, not just white
    but native, are on the take and that includes the spineless politicians, all siding with them.
    Of course the implementation of UNDRIP is their ace in the hole.

    You talk of murder, can you show me an absolute proof?
    I am not celebrating FN's discriminatory power as I'm sure many of my fellow hunters feel the same way.
    And don't tell me we are not getting discriminated against.

    Just how is that such a small percentage of the population wield so much power over the rest?
    Last edited by wildcatter; 06-10-2021 at 09:23 PM.
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    Re: National Indigenous Day BCWF Reconciliation Dialogue

    Terrible things happened, and some individuals were responsible, and should be held to account. Every other aspect of the indian industry has been manufactured and kept alive for greed and power. Period.
    PAPERS! Show me YOUR PAPERS!!

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    Re: National Indigenous Day BCWF Reconciliation Dialogue

    Quote Originally Posted by RugDoctor View Post
    Every other aspect of the indian industry has been manufactured and kept alive for greed and power. Period.
    Care to elaborate on what the "indian industry" is?
    Do not eat aluminium or you'll sheet metal

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    Re: National Indigenous Day BCWF Reconciliation Dialogue

    Quote Originally Posted by Harvest the Land View Post
    Care to elaborate on what the "indian industry" is?
    I think it's all laid out in the Federal Indian Act.
    This is no longer a pandemic. It's an IQ test.

    Not a Doctor, but research quinine.
    You can take vitamin D3 with tonic water. Tonic water has quinine in it. Schweppes actually has it right on the can "Contains Quinine". My understanding is, quinine is a derivative of hydroxychloroquine. Used by the British in Africa to prevent malaria, just like HCQ, (tastes like shit which is why they added gin). If you get a cold or the flu. Tonic water, D3, C and zinc.



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    Re: National Indigenous Day BCWF Reconciliation Dialogue

    Quote Originally Posted by 180grainer View Post
    I think it's all laid out in the Federal Indian Act.
    Care to elaborate on that? BTW that Act needs to be scrapped entirely - so much has changed since 1876.

    Good to see you survived purgatory 180
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Chipman View Post
    Here is the link to register:


    https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/regi...SAu2sHdDEoRuRA

    I tried it and it worked for me. Please let me know if there are any issues.
    Easy Peasy.

    See you there...
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    Re: National Indigenous Day BCWF Reconciliation Dialogue

    [QUOTE=Harvest the Land;2260038]Care to elaborate on that? BTW that Act needs to be scrapped entirely - so much has changed since 1876.

    Exactly ! the whole thing is a Phucking thing is a MESS ! Need a whole new ACT ! NOW ! RJ
    INDIGENOUS JIM - Born and Raised in British Columbia !

    Member : CCFR & BCWF








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    Re: National Indigenous Day BCWF Reconciliation Dialogue

    Quote Originally Posted by Harvest the Land View Post
    Care to elaborate on that? BTW that Act needs to be scrapped entirely - so much has changed since 1876.

    Good to see you survived purgatory 180
    I'm guessing that what many people think (and no, not just us whiteys!) is that throwing money at the problem hasn't worked and never will. I believe the statistic I read said we've (the taxpayers)
    spent 4.2 trillion dollars since 1946 for reconciliation, don't think its working! Our hunting/fishing rights
    are continually being held hostage and it isn't all about reconciliation, how the hell does $10,000 per child possibly
    make up what they were put through! Everyone has to find some middle ground on this, but I can see that with the lack
    of kahoonas in the Provincial AND Federal government, that's never going to happen....

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    Re: National Indigenous Day BCWF Reconciliation Dialogue

    So, here's the updated announcement with the registration link. June 21, at 7:00, for one hour.

    It'll be a conversation between Chuck Zuckerman, BCWF president, and Solomon Reece, an Indigenous consultant.

    We have already received some good questions. At this point we'll be addressing how hunters and anglers can coexist with Indigenous peoples as reconciliation, co-management of wildlife and land claims/sovereignty evolves, what First Nations can/might do to reassure supporters of truth and reconciliation that hunters and anglers will not be shut out from access and opportunity, what management and co-management might look like, how Indigenous groups and non-Indigenous groups can align on things like predator control and habitat, what UNDRIP/DRIPA may have in store and the challenges and success that BCWF has experienced in the realm of Indigenous Relations.

    We need more questions as soon as possible because this is all brand new territory for us. We want to be able to prepare some useful answers. Please submit them to Kimberly Kelly by 12:00 noon on the 12th at kimberly.kelly@bcwf.bc.ca.

    If you're late you can send them direct to me at rob@robchipman.net or by message through HBC.

    If you think of a question during the event it will go into the chat function. The chat function will be visible only to BCWF staff so you don't need to worry about self-censoring. Feel free to ask the toughest question you can. WE may not have a good answer on the 21st, but we really want to hear clearly what the membership is concerned about.


    The Zoom conversation will be recorded, just as the previous BCWF webinars have been.


    Registration link: https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/regi...SAu2sHdDEoRuRA

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    Topic
    National Indigenous Peoples Day

    Description
    On June 21, National Indigenous Peoples Day, BCWF will host a virtual town hall to support an open dialogue for a proactive and collaborative discussion on topics such as
    mutual interest in conservation and predator control, shared concerns about habitat loss and degradation, interpretation and roll out of UNDRIP legislation in B.C., and the success and challenge of BCWF’s Indigenous Relations portfolio.

    Advance registration is required and the session will be recorded.

    Panelists:
    - Chuck Zuckerman, President, B.C. Wildlife Federation
    - Solomon Reece, CEO Indigecorp & BCWF Indigenous Relations Consultant

    Time
    Jun 21, 2021 07:00 PM in Pacific Time (US and Canada)
    Rob Chipman
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