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    Re: National Indigenous Day BCWF Reconciliation Dialogue

    My apologies. I'm not being very clear I guess. I think navigating your Treaties on the Angst of Conservatism in the Modern Era of Conservationism did it too me. You have tried to put words in my mouth and to suggest my motives are political. I'm not sure how yours aren't after blozating a bit about who you were having lunch with the other day. Because I suggested a couple of Conservative media outlets and that the BCWF seek to align themselves with more Conservative entities I'm now a Conservative zealot? Couldn't be that the vast majority of hunters and anglers are Conservative and that interest in joining with the BCWF might come from organizations which employ or are owned by such people? I didn't realize being associated with Conservatives was such a millstone around your neck. You kind of sound like a Socialist. Who's political? And another thing. You didn't answer the questions I put to you. You're more interested in making me look like I don't know what I'm talking about. You certainly have the energy to blather on so it's not out of disinterest or the need for a nap that my questions go unanswered. Anyways, I'm sure you'll get some money out of me in the future as every time I join a gun club, there you are.
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    Re: National Indigenous Day BCWF Reconciliation Dialogue

    Back to the basics…..”work with FN” = “give up a little more to FN”….Every…..Single……Time. That’s the way it’s always been, is now, and will be until the political motivation based in the ability to steal tax dollars is removed.
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    Whiteys are starting to rumble
    Excellent article by Vaughn Palmer

    Vaughn Palmer: B.C.'s UNDRIP plan requires much broader consultation

    https://vancouversun.com/opinion/col...r-consultation
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    Re: National Indigenous Day BCWF Reconciliation Dialogue

    Quote Originally Posted by adriaticum View Post
    Whiteys are starting to rumble
    Excellent article by Vaughn Palmer

    Vaughn Palmer: B.C.'s UNDRIP plan requires much broader consultation

    https://vancouversun.com/opinion/col...r-consultation
    Wow, .....I am amazed that's in the Vancouver Sun. Hats off when required. And right out of the gate they call it what I've posted on the BCWF thread. The New Democrats have released the draft of an ambitious plan, setting out 79 goals they hope to fulfil over the next five years to implement the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.

    We don't have representative government any more. The agreements are predetermined. They're a sham. We are now Governed by the unelected Cabal at the UN. It couldn't be clearer.
    Last edited by 180grainer; 06-16-2021 at 09:02 AM.

    Not a Doctor, but research quinine.
    You can take vitamin D3 with tonic water. Tonic water has quinine in it. Schweppes actually has it right on the can "Contains Quinine". My understanding is, quinine is a derivative of hydroxychloroquine. Used by the British in Africa to prevent malaria, just like HCQ, (tastes like shit which is why they added gin). If you get a cold or the flu. Tonic water, D3, C and zinc.



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    Re: National Indigenous Day BCWF Reconciliation Dialogue

    Quote Originally Posted by 180grainer View Post
    Wow, .....I am amazed that's in the Vancouver Sun. Hats off when required. And right out of the gate they call it what I've posted on the BCWF thread. The New Democrats have released the draft of an ambitious plan, setting out 79 goals they hope to fulfil over the next five years to implement the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.

    We don't have representative government any more. The agreements are predetermined. They're a shame. We are now Governed by the unelected Cabal at the UN. It couldn't be clearer.
    We DO HAVE a repersentative government, they are just not representing us!
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    Re: National Indigenous Day BCWF Reconciliation Dialogue

    Quote Originally Posted by RugDoctor View Post
    Back to the basics…..”work with FN” = “give up a little more to FN”….Every…..Single……Time. That’s the way it’s always been, is now, and will be until the political motivation based in the ability to steal tax dollars is removed.

    Exactly ! Take - Take is all the Indians do and GIVE back NOTHING but Irritation ! jmo RJ
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    Re: National Indigenous Day BCWF Reconciliation Dialogue

    Quote Originally Posted by 180grainer View Post
    My apologies. I'm not being very clear I guess. I think navigating your Treaties on the Angst of Conservatism in the Modern Era of Conservationism did it too me. You have tried to put words in my mouth and to suggest my motives are political. I'm not sure how yours aren't after blozating a bit about who you were having lunch with the other day. Because I suggested a couple of Conservative media outlets and that the BCWF seek to align themselves with more Conservative entities I'm now a Conservative zealot? Couldn't be that the vast majority of hunters and anglers are Conservative and that interest in joining with the BCWF might come from organizations which employ or are owned by such people? I didn't realize being associated with Conservatives was such a millstone around your neck. You kind of sound like a Socialist. Who's political? And another thing. You didn't answer the questions I put to you. You're more interested in making me look like I don't know what I'm talking about. You certainly have the energy to blather on so it's not out of disinterest or the need for a nap that my questions go unanswered. Anyways, I'm sure you'll get some money out of me in the future as every time I join a gun club, there you are.
    Fair enough. What I'm getting from you is that BCWF shouldn't talk to government, shouldn't engage in collaboration with FNs, but should come out strongly and publicly against either a) reconciliation b) the leftward shift of our political environment or c) both.

    It seems you want us to use conservative media outlets to do this.

    That's what I'm getting from you. If that's wrong and you can explain what your goal is rather than how to get there maybe we'll understand each other better. So far it has kinda seemed like your complaint against BCWF falls into the "I can't drive to the store in my refrigerator" category- BCWF does not even look remotely to me like the vehicle you need for what you seem to want.

    I didn't say you're a conservative zealot. I wouldn't care if you were.
    I think your motives are political (which isn't bad) because what I understand you to want requires politics.
    BCWF does political things too.

    I don't think "being political" is a valid criticism of anyone when we're talking about how policy that will control people's behaviour is concerned. The whole conversation *is* political.

    The problem isn't being political (which you have to do to get any kind of influence or power) but being political without getting tagged as partisan. Blow off regular media and use conservative media to criticize what the current government is doing on rights and title? That's pretty clearly partisan. Avoiding partisan status is why I brought up surrogates.


    I don't want to put words in your mouth. We've both been doing that and I think its based on misunderstanding rather than any sort of malice.

    Simple solution - just do what I do and quote where you think I put words in your mouth. If I was inaccurate or read you wrong I'll admit that. Unequivocal on that. There's no point in you and me sparring if we're not getting to some sort of truth in terms of how people are seeing what's coming.


    Quote Originally Posted by 180grainer View Post
    You didn't answer the questions I put to you.
    I thought I did. Send the ones you think I missed back andI'll try to be more clear. Right now I think our misalignment is simple: I think you have a lot of valid concerns but I don't think BCWF is the tool to address them, and it seems to me that you keep saying that BCWF is the tool to address those concerns and sol should completely re-tool and change strategy. I say "misalignment" rather than "disagreement" because I think we agree on a ton, and only disagree on the strategy.
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    Re: National Indigenous Day BCWF Reconciliation Dialogue

    Quote Originally Posted by adriaticum View Post
    Whiteys are starting to rumble
    Excellent article by Vaughn Palmer

    Vaughn Palmer: B.C.'s UNDRIP plan requires much broader consultation

    https://vancouversun.com/opinion/col...r-consultation
    Great link.

    Very important quote: "Given that, Junger expresses concern that the government is seeking feedback only from Indigenous people."

    BCWF is absolutely aligned with that sentiment and we are making that as clear to government as we can.
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    Re: National Indigenous Day BCWF Reconciliation Dialogue

    Thanks Rob for your efforts and attempts at the table.
    But I do feel for you in your position, and trying to reason and explain the why's, wheres and when with a number on this site is like trying to feed a soft cord through SOLID CONCRETE. Don't waste your time with them . Wow you have a lot of patience and class that many don't have, noted in several posts above.

    Again thanks for your input.
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    Re: National Indigenous Day BCWF Reconciliation Dialogue

    Quote Originally Posted by Imdone View Post
    Thanks Rob for your efforts and attempts at the table.
    But I do feel for you in your position, and trying to reason and explain the why's, wheres and when with a number on this site is like trying to feed a soft cord through SOLID CONCRETE. Don't waste your time with them . Wow you have a lot of patience and class that many don't have, noted in several posts above.

    Again thanks for your input.
    Thanks for the kind words.

    It's not a waste of time talking with anyone here. We want feedback. We're getting feedback. Good topics are being brought up.

    I think I said this before: the danger isn't that someone tells us something that some people would think is offside or not relevant; the danger is that nobody expresses their concerns honestly.

    Wildcatter, 180, WillyQC are all playing extremely valuable roles in this process.
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