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Fraser salmon runs blocked
Not good but at least agencies are working together on it.
https://www.bclocalnews.com/news/freeing-salmon-trapped-at-fraser-river-slide-site-the-focus-of-experts/
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Re: Fraser salmon runs blocked
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Originally Posted by
jonz
Not good but at least agencies are working together on it.
https://www.bclocalnews.com/news/freeing-salmon-trapped-at-fraser-river-slide-site-the-focus-of-experts/
My guess is that it will be too late before they come up with a plan or make an excuse for inaction. Hopefully I am wrong but won't hold my breath.
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Salmon cannon to the rescue!
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Fish are getting through. Water will start dropping. This slide happened last year, and we're worried about the slide "this week". Weird.
This is photo op time.
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Originally Posted by
Jack Russell
Fish are getting through. Water will start dropping. This slide happened last year, and we're worried about the slide "this week". Weird.
This is photo op time.
another reason to close all fishing.
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Originally Posted by
limit time
another reason to close all fishing.
Not really - close fisheries that affect these particular runs. There are plenty of other fisheries available that do not affect early chinooks or stuart river and mid summer sockeye. Your logic is like closing all hunting because there's a shortage of 4 pt mule deer in the Kootenays.
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Originally Posted by
Jack Russell
Not really - close fisheries that affect these particular runs. There are plenty of other fisheries available that do not affect early chinooks or stuart river and mid summer sockeye. Your logic is like closing all hunting because there's a shortage of 4 pt mule deer in the Kootenays.
A shortage of 4 points !? Close all deer hunting also !
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What annoys me is if this slide occurred last winter,they had the options of blasting the blockage and clearing the river ,something they can’t do when fish are returning.Another example of DFO incompetence
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Originally Posted by
ratherbefishin
What annoys me is if this slide occurred last winter,they had the options of blasting the blockage and clearing the river ,something they can’t do when fish are returning.Another example of DFO incompetence
This is what I was thinking, but apparently, although they suspect the slide happened last fall, nobody was aware of it until recently.
They're still trying to figure out what to do.
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They should just do what they did many years ago when the Fraser River became blocked.
(Not sure if it was the Railways or who, but was human caused and blocked the river severely!!, I just cant find the "History" on it)
Anyways, the FN were upset (rightfully so!) at the lack of effort ot fix the issues before it devastated salmon stocks.
So, the builts a wooden "Sluice" you could say.
They got the salmon on the down river side, brought them up to the ramp sluices, and sent them down the ramps till they were passed the
the blocked river.
Do that!
Then, once the runs are done, "light Er up with some TnT" (or whatever they did to fix it back then)
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DFO, the Province of BC and news sites report that the slide occurred between June 21 and 23 this year.
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/s...slide-incident
Where is the evidence that it occurred last year?
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Originally Posted by
Bugle M In
They should just do what they did many years ago when the Fraser River became blocked.
(Not sure if it was the Railways or who, but was human caused and blocked the river severely!!, I just cant find the "History" on it)
Anyways, the FN were upset (rightfully so!) at the lack of effort ot fix the issues before it devastated salmon stocks.
So, the builts a wooden "Sluice" you could say.
They got the salmon on the down river side, brought them up to the ramp sluices, and sent them down the ramps till they were passed the
the blocked river.
Do that!
Then, once the runs are done, "light Er up with some TnT" (or whatever they did to fix it back then)
1913 and 1914 railway blasting blcoked the river and it wasn't really fixed until the building of the fishways began in 1944.
Meanwhile the Adams River run was nearly wiped out and the cycle of dominant and sub-dominant sockeye runs in the river was swapped around from historical returns.
Improvised flumes and transfer of salmon in 1914 got 16,500 sockeye and 850 springs up river past the slide area.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hells_...tish_Columbia)
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Originally Posted by
Hublocker
In response to a significant landslide discovered between June 21 and 23, 2019 in a narrow portion of the Fraser River near Big Bar, just north of Lillooet, B.C., a unified command incident management team (PDF) has been established.
Officials learned of the Big Bar Landslide in late June. After examining satellite imagery, data indicates the slide may have occurred in late October or early November.
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Originally Posted by
BRvalley
In response to a significant landslide discovered between June 21 and 23, 2019 in a narrow portion of the Fraser River near Big Bar, just north of Lillooet, B.C., a unified command incident management team (PDF) has been established.
Officials learned of the Big Bar Landslide in late June. After examining satellite imagery, data indicates the slide may have occurred in late October or early November.
Thank you.
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Originally Posted by
Hublocker
1913 and 1914 railway blasting blcoked the river and it wasn't really fixed until the building of the fishways began in 1944.
Meanwhile the Adams River run was nearly wiped out and the cycle of dominant and sub-dominant sockeye runs in the river was swapped around from historical returns.
Improvised flumes and transfer of salmon in 1914 got 16,500 sockeye and 850 springs up river past the slide area.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hells_...tish_Columbia)
Thanks Hub, that's the incident I was referring to.
That's why "history" is important folks.
It can tell you what others did and what will work.
And a lot of those folks didn't have university engineering degrees etc.
(Actually, it was probably the Engineers that screwed it all up back then anyways!)
Get the fish over the blockage with assistance and then fix it after the run.
That or put some sort of net up down river to keep salmon from going up (without harming them) and then go ahead and blow it up and open.
Remove net, let salmon go.
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Originally Posted by
Bugle M In
They should just do what they did many years ago when the Fraser River became blocked.
(Not sure if it was the Railways or who, but was human caused and blocked the river severely!!, I just cant find the "History" on it)
Anyways, the FN were upset (rightfully so!) at the lack of effort ot fix the issues before it devastated salmon stocks.
So, the builts a wooden "Sluice" you could say.
They got the salmon on the down river side, brought them up to the ramp sluices, and sent them down the ramps till they were passed the
the blocked river.
Do that!
Then, once the runs are done, "light Er up with some TnT" (or whatever they did to fix it back then)
When a slide happened in the past , What did the stewards of the land do ? Maybe they can fix it them self?
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Yeah,what they need to do RIGHT NOW,not ‘next month’ or after they ‘study it’is to physically get those salmon over the blockage and then clear the channel when the river drops and the fish have all gone though.
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Originally Posted by
ratherbefishin
Yeah,what they need to do RIGHT NOW,not ‘next month’ or after they ‘study it’is to physically get those salmon over the blockage and then clear the channel when the river drops and the fish have all gone though.
Exactly.
Figure it out later. (the blockage/slide)
Address the real concern right now to get the salmon upstream past it.
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That’s not the government way,first they have to document it,then do an environmental study ,then they have to do an geological study on the condition of the rock banks and then they have to study the potential environmental impact of blasting the rock on potential endangered species of bullheads in the river,stonefly larvae and crayfish and then put it out to tender and finally they might do it,over budget and late ...maybe by next spring.Meanwhile we lose a salmon run....that’s the way government operates..
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Originally Posted by
ratherbefishin
That’s not the government way,first they have to document it,then do an environmental study ,then they have to do an geological study on the condition of the rock banks and then they have to study the potential environmental impact of blasting the rock on potential endangered species of bullheads in the river,stonefly larvae and crayfish and then put it out to tender and finally they might do it,over budget and late ...maybe by next spring.Meanwhile we lose a salmon run....that’s the way government operates..
Yup, and we wonder why our taxes just keep going up.
In the old days when this happened, they just got a bunch of 2x4's and plywood and some really big hand nets.
Then went to work and got er done!
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Originally Posted by
ratherbefishin
That’s not the government way,first they have to document it,then do an environmental study ,then they have to do an geological study on the condition of the rock banks and then they have to study the potential environmental impact of blasting the rock on potential endangered species of bullheads in the river,stonefly larvae and crayfish and then put it out to tender and finally they might do it,over budget and late ...maybe by next spring.Meanwhile we lose a salmon run....that’s the way government operates..
Hahahaha......you nailed it!! You may have forgot one more study though! :) K
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All studies end with ‘more study is needed’..
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I heard DFO was notified of the slide by the rancher in the area, in December 2018.
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Originally Posted by
IronNoggin
Have any Pics of "Before" the slide :mrgreen:
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Originally Posted by
Jack Russell
I heard DFO was notified of the slide by the rancher in the area, in December 2018.
Now, that sounds exactly like the DFO!
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Originally Posted by
Bugle M In
Have any Pics of "Before" the slide :mrgreen:
There’s a pic here:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ium%3Dsharebar
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If stupid made money, we’d be a rich country. :roll:
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ruby
Thanks.
Interesting to see the difference in water flow.
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Trapped spawning salmon to be flown over Fraser River rock slide in B.C.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...lmon-1.5219433
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Nice to see a good decision being made by the DFO! Gotta say I am surprised and impressed!
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Originally Posted by
IronNoggin
There we go.
Finally some "getting the hands dirty" rather than just having ink stains on the hands at the end of the day.
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So let me get this straight...... Kinder Morgan can fly their pipeline with a helicopter at least once a week to make sure all is well but the DFO or MOE can't check on the most important salmon river on the west coast of Canada once a month or so??
That's beyond f***ed up.
Heard on the news just now that the slide happened in late 2018 (as many of us on here already knew)...
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[QUOTE=scoutlt1;2108363]So let me get this straight...... Kinder Morgan can fly their pipeline with a helicopter at least once a week to make sure all is well but the DFO or MOE can't check on the most important salmon river on the west coast of Canada once a month or so??
That's beyond f***ed up.
Can you Just IMAGINE with proper Smart Honest people running this country just how GREAT it would BE ? RJ
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Can you Just IMAGINE with proper Smart Honest people running this country just how GREAT it would BE ? RJ[/QUOTE]
When I was growing up decades ago yes, I could, and did, imagine that.
Now, not so much....
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Does anyone else remember the plan for the Moran Dam?
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The fishladder they are building is almost done. That should help a lot.
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I haven’t been paying much attention to this land slide situation, but couldn’t a net have been put right across the river a ways downstream to hold the fish back while they blast it then just pull the net and be done with it?