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Ordered. With new Sky 5900 bag and hip pockets.
Sounds like a lot of guys who were doing the testing were pretty pleased.
Not sure you ever otherwise from testers, assumedly the things they don't like gets fixed.
Will post up pics when I get it next week.
Good to see some fellow Rokslide members here:razz:
that frame, plus one of their bags is a $900 CAD pack .... $900 for a pack? Are they for real?
They even charge you extra for the bag without the lid? That some messed up sh** yo!
I think you may have had sticker shock (as did I, and I ordered the damn thing). They charge less for the bag without the lid.
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But absolutely right, it is a big ticket item for sure. Exchange certainly doesn't help.
Too much,maybe it comes with a happy ending
I spoke with them back in 2015, very nice, helpful and enthusiastic guys. I seriously considered one of their packs, but, went with my SO Divide and customized an older, mint Dana Design Terraframe, as I knew these work for me.
This frame seems *inspired* by Patrick Smiths Kifaru frames as do some of the other new packs on the market. If, I were younger, I might try one as spending the coin to obtain the BEST pack for YOU, as with boots, is money well spent, IMHO.
SO works SO well for ME, that I wont now try another pack, but, we have options now that we could not have dreamed of when I started.
Well quality products cost money just like anything else. Can't really compare a pair of swaro binos to your entry level nikons and the same thing can be said about packs. It is just harder to wrap your mind around when you think that it is just a frame and some 500 cordura fabric like 'other' packs that are a lot less expensive. Same argument can be made about how all binos have just plastic with some glass and a little metal but this is clearly not the case.
It is how the item is designed, the quality of the frames and the function of the product in the field that make it worth the money.
I love my SG pack and have no intentions of jumping ship.
I'm with Dewey on this. A good pack and a good pair of boots are worth the money.
That said, spending more money doesn't guarantee a good fit. I really tried to love my Mystery Ranch pack but couldn't get the damn thing to fit me comfortably.
I'm looking forward to hearing about the SG packs after guys have some time under them.
This is BS. There are a lot of products out there that are being sold for way more than they are actually worth. Look at most luxury cars or designer clothes. While i don't doubt that this is an EXCELLENT pack, the point here is that there are other excellent packs that DON"T cost $900.
Comparing Swaro to a Tasco is no contest. Of course this $900 pack is better than an entry level Cabela's pack for $120. But is it that much better than mystery ranch or badlands to warrant an extra $400 cost on top? I don't think so.
Bud, NO offence, but, I have had five complete Bozeman-made MR packs and even more original Dana Design packs from 1978 to now.
My complete NICE rigs, two of them, sold here recently and my BDSD, sold here 2-3 years ago, ALL cost MORE than $900.00 CDN, landed in Vancity.
I have had two BL packs, one probably the first Utah-made BL 4500 ever sent to BC, FINE pack, stolen at Christmas, 1999 and even it was NOT up to MR-Bozo quality.
You should be able to get an SO REvolution rig for about $750-800 and it IS WORTH IT, and NO Cabalas or other such entry level pack comes even close.
Maybe you just overpaid? You can get a Mystery Ranch pack for under $600 from Grouse River in Kelowna on sale. Even now on their site they are just over $600. Still a far cry from $900 (and the $900 does not include potential taxes they could charge you for over the border, which they probably would for an item of that value!).
READ more carefully, I bought mine when Dana, was running MR in Bozeman and was among their best customers as their then sales manager, Andrew Crow, told a guy I know there. I have used Dana's packs for almost 40 years and worked in the business, I would NOT *overpay*.
Now, after some issues with a defective product last August, I will never deal with GR and IF I were to buy another MR I KNOW where to get deals on gear that might amaze you.
That said, after inspection, I do not consider the current off-shore MR packs equal to the Bozo-made ones. So, call MR and order a Bozo-made one which they were offering and pay the price landed here and then get back to me.
JMHO, use whatever you prefer, I have no problem spending big coin on gear, but, detest spending my pensions on trendy electronics, trailcams and so on, YMMV. :)
OK. Point taken. I don't mind buying off-shore made products from a company that has decent quality control and warranty. That being said, i'm in the market for a new pack. I'll take any off-shore mystery ranch that you have off your hands, no problem. Let me alleviate you of that headache. You can PM me with what you have! :)
I AM considering selling my last Bozo-MR pack, but, what do you want in size and what is your waist and chest?
6'4" 210lb .... 43" chest, pant size 34. Let me know what you have and most importantly price :D
Would like something with a meat shelf and nice, sturdy hipbelt and shoulder harness. Don't care too much about pockets and all that.
I hear crickets from twoSeven0...
I would love for him to pull out some examples and backup what he says.
I echo you BgBlkDg regarding the cheaper price-point for MR bags and them being made overseas, people are just too fast to call BS on a situation just as twoSeven0 did in this thread without knowing actual FACTS.
Bottom line - a quality AND lightweight pack will cost you $, end of story.
For sky archer 6200
-6200 mode weight - 4.55 Lbs without load shelf, 4.68 Lbs with load shelf (3 pc belt)
- 4000 Bivy mode weight - 4.18 Lbs without load shelf, 4.31 Lbs with load shelf (3 pc belt)
-150+ pound load rating (check Design page for load rating info)
-6200 cubic main bag and lid
-4000 cubic inches in bivy mode (no lid, compressed)
For sky Talus 6900
-6900 mode weight – 4.92 Lbs without load shelf, 5.05 Lbs with load shelf (3 pc belt)
- 4000 Bivy mode weight – 4.55 Lbs without load shelf, 4.68 with load shelf (3 pc belt)
-150+ pound load rating (check Design page for load rating info)
-6400 cubic main bag and 500 cubic lid
-4000 cubic inches in bivy mode (no lid, compressed)
^ And where's the weight of the frame?
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Xcurve Frame + 3 Piece Medium Belt + Sky 7400 bag ($664.00)
I don't think you are correct. Even this bag lists the three components separately, which leads me to believe the numbers you quoted above are them listing the bag and hipbelt only and leaving out the weight of the frame (Perhaps because you can have several choices of frames?). In any case, i think you need to add the weight of the frame to the quoted numbers above which gives you 6-7lb for a complete pack, which is more realistic.
Anyone here actually own this pack that can confirm? Their website is not making it clear.
Here's the sky archer 6200 listing you provided
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Krux Frame + 3 Piece Medium Belt + Sky Archer bag ($624.00)
Those are the total weights, under 5lbs each
I have the Talus 6900 and had the 6200.
It includes the frame weight. Kurt mentioned you add another 8 ounces for the X-curve over the Krux. I run a Kifaru that came in close to the same price as these SG setups. While it certainly doesn't make the weight in the pack any lighter, it absolutely makes it significantly more bearable and comfortable. Heavy packs still suck, the legs still feel like jello after, but they're worth every penny to me. Prior, I was using Osprey packs, which are great for backpacking, or lugging a load shorter distances, but I'll never go back after experiencing the difference a well-built pack makes. If the MR fits you for $400.00 less and the 2lbs difference isn't worth the money, then you're going to be absolutely satisfied. For others, the fit, build quality, and weight of the MR's might not be up to snuff. Everyone's different.
I gotta say this new frame/5900 bag combo is tempting at 2lbs lighter than my current setup. Fantastic looking design.
this is what it comes down to .... you MUST draw a line somewhere. For me, a $900 pack is well beyond that line.
Lets say you buy top of the line everything .... Swaro spotter for ex. Leica introduces something the world has never seen. Lighter, brighter etc etc .... but costs $10,000. Do you just upgrade because it is clearly better? Probably not. You draw a line at $3k for a spotting scope. Everyone draws a line somewhere.
Buy once - Cry once.... you name it and it applies.
- packs
- boots
- optics
The one good thing is all of the high end stuff retains a lot of value if you ever want to sell it.
but see, you say that as if buying a $500 pack is cheap. As if that's not under the category of "cry once" ..... $500 for a backpack is STILL a lot of money!
But i do agree .... buy the BEST you can afford, or spend the most you choose to spend on a particular item.
The thing with these $900 backpacks is that it's utterly ridiculous what the prices have reached. I bet most professional guides don't even spend $900 for a pack.
As i said before, i'm sure they are amazing packs, no doubt, but the prices have reached ridiculous levels. So much so that for a weekend warrior such as myself who would only do a few pack in hunts per year, i'm actually debating just getting a bigger Osprey hiking pack and using that for significantly less money.
Which Osprey did you have? Because i'm seriously considering just getting a Xenith 88L that is significantly cheaper than any decent hunting-specific pack. They are rated up to 70lb on their site, which means it will work with 100lb on ocassion. Curious what problems you experienced with them. I've been using an Osprey Aether 60L for hiking for 11 years and never had a problem .... Loads 40lb less though. But that's hiking-only.
I've had a few Osprey packs and still have a Talon and a Deuter pack kicking around for backpacking with the wife. The larger Osprey I used was their big pack from 6 or 7 years ago (it may have been the Xenith, or it may have been a precursor to the line - not positive on the name). It worked for hiking in, but the comfort just isn't their when it comes to the heavier weights. I don't think I've ever carried over 80 lbs any significant distance though. I could also be a giant wimp, as some people have no problem muscling through an uncomfortable packout. I'm not a big fan of the smaller buckles/straps for hunting either. On the upside, their warranty is also great, and should something rip/break they're good at getting it fixed/replaced.
I will say, if you're looking to keep the price down, it may be worth a trip to MEC (although some won't step in doors of this place) or similar if possible where you can just load up the packs with weight in store to get a feel for them. MEC has their own brand large pack for something like $250, which may be comparable to the Osprey's. Although I have no personal experience with them outside handling them in store.