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New rule regarding buying and selling.
From this day on ALL new members will NOT be allowed to buy or sell unless the following conditions have been met.
1. The deal is done in the flesh, hands on, cash in hand! You get the idea. Then the long standing member please pipe in and start a thread telling all that want to look, the deal was a good one and start a good rep with the NewB!!
2. Until the first day of the third full month of membership is passed you will not be allowed to do any "online" transactions. So if you join Jan 2nd you cannot do deals until, May 1st. For this We are going to need help from all members in good standing. If a person enters into a transaction with you and they are short of the above 2 requirements send the mods a message.
1st time will be considered an oops, second one will cause a membership decline of 1 newb!!
Steeleco
PS, remember that in the end ALL deals are BUYER beware, we mods can only do so much to protect you from yourselves !!
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Would it not be possible to block new members from even advertising gear until after the third month of membership.
This would probably eliminate 90% of the shady transactions.
Personally I do not think this would be unreasonable.
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Not much of a 'buyer', and not at all a seller. But, no problem here with a rule like that.
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The new rule doesn't affect present members... but it will be a pain in the ass hassle for honest new members... too bad you can't direct it more at the dishonest folk. It is so similar to gun laws...
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Nothing says welcome like the old boys club and a bunch of rules aimed specifically at new members!
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Maybe revisiting the old "for sale rules" (http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showth...-and-guidlines) ... rule # 2. Selling for a buddy isn't allowed. Get them to get an account!
Not really a viable option if the new rule - Until the first day of the third full month of membership is passed you will not be allowed to do any "online" transactions. So if you join Jan 2nd you cannot do deals until, May 1st. For this We are going to need help from all members in good standing. If a person enters into a transaction with you and they are short of the above 2 requirements send the mods a message.
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We could always just let members get fleeced and do nothing. Can't have it both ways. The last guy was here to do nothing else but rip people off, stolen ID fake name and the like. Which would you rather have? If a person opens an account to sell things and nothing more do we really want them here? This site ONCE was about sharing hunting stories, not a craigslist!!
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Unfortunately there is not a lot HBC can do in the end people need to use caution
Lots of forums have time or post limit rules and people still get ripped off the only effective tool a forum can provide is the ability to check the persons reputation.
Nice to see effort put into limiting scammers but it is the members responsibility in the end to cover their @ss HBC should not be responsible for trying to babysit buy&sell bettween members. Boot reported scammers is all that can be expected
MODs here already have enough of their time wasted trying to babysit posts on the forum lol
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You realize there's people that live beyond Hope, right? Makes it pretty tough if you live in the North or interior.
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Wouldn't it be more friendly to do a Feedback score like CGN has? I live in the middle of nowhere and it is hard to do face to face in Langley.
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tigrr
Wouldn't it be more friendly to do a Feedback score like CGN has? I live in the middle of nowhere and it is hard to do face to face in Langley.
Yes it is ridiculous... face to face on the mainland is out of the question for those who live on Vancouver Island too...
it's not about being friendly for sure...
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guntech
Yes it is ridiculous... face to face on the mainland is out of the question for those who live on Vancouver Island too...
it's not about being friendly for sure...
You among others were in negotiations with Traviss for items of all kinds, had I done nothing there would be a whole different set of threads about how we did nothing and long time members got ripped off. If a genuine person joins up and has to wait 3 months whats the big deal, rip off artists may no wait that long, they'll find another site.
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Steeleco
I was in negotiations to sell to 'travis' but he was unwilling to pay me...
Gateholio
The new rules would make it harder for the three examples you posted...
but it has also made it harder for every honest person in the future.
I think if all the members stopped hiding behind fake names and used our real names and addresses the moderators could see more easily the frauds...
I do think it is good we are having this discussion.
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300rum700
You realize there's people that live beyond Hope, right? Makes it pretty tough if you live in the North or interior.
If someone has a trader rating on another site post it up. Would you rather be out of pocket or have to wait a few weeks?
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We Mods and in fact many members have zero means to tell a crook from an honest member, and I will admit it's at the new members expense. How else do we deal with shit like this?
This guy(TRAVISS) is asking for photos of my gun for sale HE HAS A STOLEN ID
https://i.imgur.com/H9A8uHo.jpg
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Steeleco
We could always just let members get fleeced and do nothing. Can't have it both ways. The last guy was here to do nothing else but rip people off, stolen ID fake name and the like. Which would you rather have? If a person opens an account to sell things and nothing more do we really want them here? This site ONCE was about sharing hunting stories, not a craigslist!!
Well PUT ! If people don t like the way its run go else where like CGN - jmo RJ
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I don’t think this is unreasonable.
Personally I have always had great interactions with the people I’ve dealt with on this site.And I’ve learned lots and felt generally welcomed.
The internet (well the world really) is full of folks who would sooner rip people off rather than treat one another decently,I think the HBC forums is a community aimed at the latter (fellow hunters and outdoorsmen with common ground and a spot to find eachother)and that is something worth cultivating and protecting.Thats why I joined these forums and not some of the others.
My two cents anyway as a newer member (been here just over a year and a bit)
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guntech
Steeleco
I was in negotiations to sell to 'travis' but he was unwilling to pay me...
Gateholio
The new rules would make it harder for the three examples you posted...
but it has also made it harder for every honest person in the future.
I think if all the members stopped hiding behind fake names and used our real names and addresses the moderators could see more easily the frauds...
I do think it is good we are having this discussion.
I too think it is good we are having this discussion. The only couple deals I ever had not go very smoothly (on another site!) were within the last few years (I was the buyer in each case) so it is definitely buyer beware in any case.
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So
1 90 days before nemby's can sell or buy.
2 Then say they must post 30 posts as well in that time. Contribute to the site.
Untill both are met they can't even apply to view the selling/buying threads.
Trader rating would help as well.
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Originally Posted by
tigrr
So
1 90 days before nemby's can sell or buy.
2 Then say they must post 30 posts as well in that time. Contribute to the site.
Untill both are met they can't even apply to view the selling/buying threads.
Trader rating would help as well.
IIRC in the early days of CGN before the big crash and the new site, there was a rule about post count, that just drove people to pipe in useless BS on low viewed threads just to get the post count up.
At the end of the day the primary rules still applies. "BUYER BEWARE" if a deal is too good to be true it may just be!
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He joined before the rule and has some posts prior. If a member is interested be diligent, check other forums like CGN for trader ratings. Buyer beware!!
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Hey be careful no question nicholast is a scammer!!
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I see nicholast was CHECKING in here at 2 11 am ! :mad: Banning HIM was a GOOD thing ! RJ
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Traviss and nicholast are same guy
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If you see a for sale post that looks suspicious, please use the report a post feature.
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donny.brooke
Traviss and nicholast are same guy
Yes Banned too ! :evil: RJ
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Gateholio
If you see a for sale post that looks suspicious, please use the report a post feature.
Will do Gate thank you
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Always good to be truthful how a transaction actually went. Heads up is always good to stop another victim of a scammer!
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I can understand the Moderators Frustration but I am afraid you punishing the good Guys because of a few Bad Apples. I also know this Site is a Business not a Democracy but perhaps we are allowed to make a few suggestions.
Myself I prefer how this is handled at CGN but again its always Buyer beware. Perhaps it is reasonable that new Members should have a certain amount of Posts before they are allowed to offer something for sale. This could also help making this site more interesting because even the Dullest Knucklehead Latte Sucking ...........well you get my drift, may has something to contribute we can learn from.
And finally the Internet made it easy for Scammers and it probably going to get worse therefore Buyer beware.
Cheers
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I'm a new B, I got some stuff to sell but I shall wait my turn and Im pretty much always looking to buy (lefty stuff lol) I joined March 11 ish and the new post about the new rule was put in March 6, so I guess I missed my window by a few days. I have a new rifle and I'm looking for a good scope so I guess in the mean time Ill look in the forums for scope info. I have a vortex but I'm actually pretty unhappy with it considering all the rave reviews I heard before buying it.
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Still new guys posting for sale items? Hroth is a newbie who joined May 16th with 1 post and a high end rifle for sale already, so much for new guy posting rules?
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DB, we have lives and believe it it or not WE HUNT TOO
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donny.brooke
Still new guys posting for sale items? Hroth is a newbie who joined May 16th with 1 post and a high end rifle for sale already, so much for new guy posting rules?
If you see this happening, use the REPORT A POST ! triangle button so we can look at it.
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My last post was a general warning about a new guy posting a gun for sale. This isnt a moderator policing issue it's a new guy not following the rules issue, I bet some new guys have no idea there is posting rules. Being a honour system HBC is easy pickings for scammers and helping each other out by posting these things should be encouraged. My days of saying anything just came to an end.
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donny.brooke
My days of saying anything just came to an end.
We appreciate the help! Members just need to remember that we don't read all threads and are not always on here. The report a post is a great tool for making things happen quicker! Hell I get notices to my phone for those!
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donny.brooke
My days of saying anything just came to an end.
That's up to you, but for anyone else that sees something suspicious, please use the REPORT A POST feature. it's the best and most efficient way of letting multiple moderators know about something with just a click of a button.
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I do some buy / sell / trade on public forms such as this and others.
What I have been doing is asking for a picture of the person holding their RPAL/PAL next to their head at eye level. At least on bigger ticket items.
At least I know who I am dealing with. I do the same in return.