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Lots Of Wolf Talk eh ?
WHATS GOIN ON????? All you dorks still here?? lol
I haven't been here in a while, never have time. Had a few messages on other places asking me to chime in on some wolf talk here. Soooo....
I recall the first time I came on here years back was when I realised it was a great place to encourage people to hit wolves so I started a thread on it. That thread ( at the time) became the most hit thread in the history of the forum for a while real quick. Funny, in the first few posts on that thread I was attacked no stop from all angles including a few ego dented HBC member idiots, clubs and first nation band offices....but I held my ground, fought back and off the thread went in the positive direction it SHOULD have from the beginning.
SO, I'm back ! lol I'll start a new thread on wolves, share what I KNOW below, what I could 'possibly' do and as well suggest what YOU can do.
The good thing about licensed trappers is they can go get them (wolves) without relying on a 'vote' or a green light from the gov. Wich means zero politics, opposition in anyway whether it a club or ministry, THEY CANT STOP US right 'now' so you better get shit going right now.
So, does trapping wolves work ?? YES.
Handful of years back I realised NO ONE was targeting wolves where I lived ( Pemberton) and as well, there was nothing but wolf stories coming from basically 'everyone' locally so I got my license and went after them. I had permission on 3 trap lines as well 2 private properties.( SOMEONE had to do it).
Take note the local club had been counting spring mountain goats for somewhere around 20 years as well had electronic deer counters for nearly the same.
I used my experienced wolf trapping guide partners from up north as reference non stop as well past experience from going with them up north and added my own tricks the wolves taught me and applied all of it.
I killed a lot of them.
I think year 2 or 3 the local club had the "highest kid count in the history of counting them" as well the same results with the deer count, "highest spring number return".
Some may argue it wasn't trapping that cause this, I KNOW it was.
I QUIT
Why? because after $10k ( YES, at least $10k. sled, course, fuel, gear, NOT including time) of my own money, hundreds of hours of my time, numerous attacks from local IDIOTS ( including local club members) and the fact where I was doing it I never hunted anyway, I finally shook my head with "WTF, SCREW EM, enjoy your pooches C-YA"
And you know what else, I never even received a frickin 6 pack of beer from people who hunted there - ZERO.
I did however get permission to kill wolves near some big horn sheep in other areas and as well was called on from some ranchers in reg 3 to clean up wolves so I happily travelled to those places and made a difference.
NOW WHAT
Well, locally ( Squamish to Goldbridge) predators are literally EVERYWHERE, ( as well the rest of the province). WHY? mild winters, easy access via man made roads, thats why- end of story.
WHAT CAN YOU DO?
#1, hunting them isn't going to do shit. I hunt basically full time, 45 days straight in reg two as just a small portion and have NEVER shot a wolf in reg 2. ( due to terrain) So, all you guys offering to go out and shoot them, that's great, enthusiasm is super but as far as 'that' fixing a 'problem', aint gonna happen. Not from the ground anyway.
FUND A TRAPPER
Wolf trapping takes time and money - period. Fur trappers do not specifically target wolves because it just doesn't pay the bills - period. Encourage and fund a wolf trapper and NO, not 'by the wolf'. You fund his time, gear, fuel, get him going after them NOW. It takes time to get good at it, time to figure out where they go, when and how to nail them if the trapper has not specifically been after them in the past. And, there is many of us who can throw down tips and tricks to get it done efficiently.
AM I GOING TO DO IT?
I might. I am in the position I could do it full time if I chose.
Currently the Squamish band wants me to do something, locals want me to hit it as well various private property owners.
Am I going to drop $1.00 of my money to do it? NOT A DIME. I did that, now its hunters turn to do it.
Believe me, there's a lot more fun things to do on this planet for the winter than go trapping wolves full time. Especially when you have to deal with the non stop attack the entire time by NON hunters AND hunters alike. BUT, it is out of control this is a fact. ( I've never really been one to really give a fck what anyone thinks - but.)
There was fresh wolf sign on EVERY trail I hunted this year and as well easily less than 50% of the deer there was say 5 years ago.( I run over 20 cameras over a 30 mile stretch non stop).
TRAPPING CAUSES MORE WOLVES
Prove it !!!
Here's the deal. Wolves kill wolves more than anything else. You wack a bunch of a pack, next time they bump into that rival pack, they done for.
Wolves are as well VERY intelligent. I hammered on a pack near a popular wintering zone, the survivors realised it wasn't a good place to hang out and they left. This doesn't last too long though so 4ish years later, wolves are back at it and going strong.
As an example of HOW you can make a difference. 'If or when' I make the decision to do this in Reg 2, I'll let all know via social media and set up an 'Ungulate Enhancement Fund' with a go fund me thing ( or whatever) and you can throw down that way. I'm still on the fence because it won't be a casual task, you either go ALL IN or nothing and ALL IN = a shit load of time of life and effort. But 'all in' gets it done.
There's another trapper up north. He WAS killing 40 and 50 plus a year. He QUIT !! WHY? because it was all coming out of his pocket , that's why.
Note,
When you DO KNOW first hand what eliminating predators does and you see ZERO interest or offered help from people who are avid ungulate hunters it makes you shake your head so much its stupid. REALLY??????? WTF??????
Every hunter reading this, ask your self how much $ you threw down in the past toward any kind of wolf control ?? OR if you even looked into it ??
So there ya go boys and girls. Collars, studies, votes, blah blah effing blah........ none needed, nothing new to learn.
You want to make a difference immediately ? Encourage a trapper and fund them - period.
It's simple easy math to justify it. XXXX is eating YY full time?? change it to X is eating YYY as fast as you can, cant describe it any more clear !
Anway, there ya go.
If I find some time, I might share a blacktail story or two on here later maybe,
LATER !!
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Excellent. Our local club tried to pay our local trapper but he would not take money and he ended up stopping trapping them. I checked his traps for him but it wasn’t enough. I will definitely get moving and help him out. Trapping wolves is a big commitment.Thanks
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Good to see you posting back here again... Ya Dork! :lol:
Excellent Post!
Makes waaaaay too much sense!
Let's hope that those who have been clamoring for some type of action in regards to the wolves can get behind this!
I will indeed search out our local trapper, and offer up my help once again.
Thanks for bringing this forward Steve!
Now get on with another amazing blacktail tale or two! :wink:
Cheers,
Nog
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Good to see you back PG66.
PG 66 has always been good at encouraging others. Hopefully he can encourage hunters to open their wallets, province wide. Predator reduction will actually save hunters money in the long run. A whole lot of small donations can add up pretty quick. Every little bit helps.
Steve, I'm in for $500 if you decide to go for it.
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Thanks for a real explanato there P.g. some of us luddites are not on F$#%beak but if you get this going imagine a 100.00 from each of us bitching little pusses on HBC and even if you blow 1/2 on hookers and blow as long as you kill a few of them inbred soul catching stinky pieces of shi# I for one would be thrilled,imagine going all the way up to del rio or the muskwa or tete jeune and all a guy can do is sit around the campfire at night and talk about how much wolf sign we have seen that day versus 25 years ago when we talked about how many bucks and bulls and does we saw that day and how exciting tomorrow would be,so many of us and our peers went up this last fall 4-5 guys wall tents 1600 budweisers, 1700.00 in fuel, 1200.00 in groceries ,drugs, porn mags, magnum packs of toilet paper--and guess what came back with sweet F-A SO HEY dudes and Dudettes,a couple of your sheckles for the mad trapper cannot be nearly as bad as giving it to our goddam worthless politicians without a hope of ever getting it back no matter what they promise! Thank you Pro-Guide from another previous guide lets see where this go you have my support Horsee:p
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horse280
Thanks for a real explanato there P.g. some of us luddites are not on F$#%beak but if you get this going imagine a 100.00 from each of us bitching little pusses on HBC and even if you blow 1/2 on hookers and blow as long as you kill a few of them inbred soul catching stinky pieces of shi# I for one would be thrilled,imagine going all the way up to del rio or the muskwa or tete jeune and all a guy can do is sit around the campfire at night and talk about how much wolf sign we have seen that day versus 25 years ago when we talked about how many bucks and bulls and does we saw that day and how exciting tomorrow would be,so many of us and our peers went up this last fall 4-5 guys wall tents 1600 budweisers, 1700.00 in fuel, 1200.00 in groceries ,drugs, porn mags, magnum packs of toilet paper--and guess what came back with sweet F-A SO HEY dudes and Dudettes,a couple of your sheckles for the mad trapper cannot be nearly as bad as giving it to our goddam worthless politicians without a hope of ever getting it back no matter what they promise! Thank you Pro-Guide from another previous guide lets see where this go you have my support Horsee:p
EPIC POST.
Love it.
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Let’s try this again. I totally agree Steve this is my first year trapping wolves . With over 700 pounds of bait and 130 hours of trapping time and only 5 wolves to show . It is one of the hardest and most time consuming trapping there is . You hear of so many people on the site saying they would like to help the problem , Put your support we will do the most good. Support A Trapper
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I think this is a great idea. Would a wolf trapping trapper list be of benefit so hunters can support trappers in their respective regions?
I think trappers reporting their success with photos would be awesome. Active participation by hunters in this kind of program would raise some eyebrows. The condo dwelling, bear hugging, tree lickers in downtown Vancouver need to ask why we would financially support this program. The answer would enlighten them a bit.
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Time for a gofundme page?
I'll donate as long as someone gives me a clear instructions on WHERE
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Good for you Steve, every one helps.
I have the Lays killing wolves for me this winter, paying out of my own pocket to try and lessen the impact on my herd. Indirectly saving the lives of a few moose, deer and caribou. I suggested I could use a little financial help and the tight spincters puckered shut and quit talking about it.
Best of luck to you.
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Fisher-Dude
Or we could stuff $25 worth of 1080 in a road-killed moose and drag it onto a frozen lake with $10 of sled gas.
Quite a few inexperienced must be doing that to some success. I can't get a raven to land on a carcass in this area.
The worst thing gov't did was fund training for all the wannabe wolf trappers and eventually educate every pack in the province.
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gcreek
Good for you Steve, every one helps.
I have the Lays killing wolves for me this winter, paying out of my own pocket to try and lessen the impact on my herd. Indirectly saving the lives of a few moose, deer and caribou. I suggested I could use a little financial help and the tight spincters puckered shut and quit talking about it.
Best of luck to you.
Probably had something to do with your delivery.
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Firstly, glad to see your back.
As to Trapman, I have heard that it is "really tough" to trap wolves....due to their intelligence.
PG66, thanks for some insight on your experience and that little tidbit about goats, as I was just thinking about my past season talk with a GO up in the EK.
Yes, lots and lots of wolves up in that watershed area....and beyond.
The GO keeps repeating that the trapper in that area, basically refuses to trap wolves....so, they don't get taken.
Now, from what you have said, and the fact that there isn't much money in wolf hides, answers that for me, and why
possibly that trapper chooses not to go for them.
Intersetly, I have watched 4 GO's own that territory....actually 5, but the 1st GO did well, but just decided to sell.
The 2nd, who owned it for years, slowly over time watched the game disappear, to the point he just kept saying to me that there was "no game" left really back in the high country like it once was.
The 3rd never even got really started, and sold off to a 4th.
The 4th basically shot up what he could find, but within a couple of years, he also said there was nothing out there.
That really, he was mostly targeting goats....which, from my understanding, he sort of lost that territory due to shooting "too many nannies".
Anyways, the 5th, this current GO, has had poor success in harvesting elk the past few years, and basically said that Goats were now his real main source of revenue, and again, stated the same, no game, bad habitat....and wolves.
Like you said, he said the same....he takes 1 here and there, but it's not enough, and hunting them is really hard.
But, one last thing about Goats....he explained to me how these Goats, come winter time, seem to come way down the slopes of this 1 particular mountain that carries lots of nannies and kids.
Just so happens, this slope comes to a pinch point on the river....right where the wolves seem to get most of their success.
I have a bad feeling, it's only a matter of time, until these wolves, and the increased # of cougars in the area, deplete this watershed of Goat as well.
And if that happens, that GO and anyone after him is finished....IMO.
And if no GO buys that territory in the future....well...we have seen how "other groups" are slowly buying them up,
and they ain't the sort of folks, we as hunters want to see buying up these territories.
Just another thought on how bad other things can come from our current situation that we don't really take into account for the future.
That's 4 of the last 5 GO's....who have sat at "my camp"....not theirs....talking to me, telling me how bad it is for them up there, and no, it's not the competition that they are trying to alleviate.
Anyways, when the wolves get done with one source, they may not necessarily move on...they just may possibly switch, so your think about "more goats" after removing wolves holds a lot of water in my books.
Thanks for the insight...and confirming some of my thoughts/fears.
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trapman
Let’s try this again. I totally agree Steve this is my first year trapping wolves . With over 700 pounds of bait and 130 hours of trapping time and only 5 wolves to show . It is one of the hardest and most time consuming trapping there is . You hear of so many people on the site saying they would like to help the problem , Put your support we will do the most good. Support A Trapper
5 wolves in your first year is doing pretty good! Congrats and keep at it!
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Wolves need to suffer 75% mortality for 5 straight years in order to effect a decline in their numbers.
That's a tall order in the absence of 1080 and aerial gunning.
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The LIST may seem to be a great idea in the eyes of many,but will result In the demonification of our local trappers and harrasment I suppose. talk to a C.O. or local rancher in the region you wish to donate to they will give you the goods on who is who in the wolf trapping world in your given region Knowing it is going on behind the scenes with internal knowledge is more satisfying then blowing this self serving shit out there to the uneducated leftist leafy masses . we can keep this in house and make it effective As Gcreek says he has some top notch lads out there making a difference and they are easily 3x more effective as some of the other self proclaimed around the central Cariboo remember the last time the libs won the provincial election? up until the last bit the dipps thought they had it in the bag? why? because we didn,t say shit until it was all over these strategies are ultimately effective Horsee
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Originally Posted by
horse280
The LIST may seem to be a great idea in the eyes of many,but will result In the demonification of our local trappers and harrasment I suppose. talk to a C.O. or local rancher in the region you wish to donate to they will give you the goods on who is who in the wolf trapping world in your given region Knowing it is going on behind the scenes with internal knowledge is more satisfying then blowing this self serving shit out there to the uneducated leftist leafy masses . we can keep this in house and make it effective As Gcreek says he has some top notch lads out there making a difference and they are easily 3x more effective as some of the other self proclaimed around the central Cariboo remember the last time the libs won the provincial election? up until the last bit the dipps thought they had it in the bag? why? because we didn,t say shit until it was all over these strategies are ultimately effective Horsee
Ur killing me.
Love it.
You need to post more.
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Proguide your a very smart business man, hope things work out for you, but as been mentioned before they money has to go
to the right trappers.
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If hunters want to donate as insensitive to increase wolf trapping organize a program with the BCTA
Want the best results create a program where trappers are compensated on each wolf they trap. There is a lot of old knowledgeable trappers that don’t target wolves or only invest small effort on wolves do to the lack of profit vs expenses/work
Most of the trappers that make an impact on wolves are GO’s that own the trapline within there GO territories. They are motivated because of it helping there GO business
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Trying to put it in perspective Ourea. Thanks for all of your great stuff BTW not to take anything away This is really one of the most meaningful selfless things I believe anybody has almost touched on as far as bush activism on this site since I have been here since 2007 the humour is applied to "make the medicine go down" in all truthfulness this has to be a long campaign wolves,seals,sea lions etc. the climate change Barbies of OUR world have been mollycoddled long enough to have increased in population numbers beyond standard control measures , along with aspects of logging practices mainly the amount of road access in the province have come to a head.I do believe this is a simple way to perhaps dent these predators and know what,you'll never eliminate them all but that's ok just a dull roar will do how about get a stray couple of dogs with parvo and feed them to your local pack pretty easy right? oh Snap did I say that out loud? Horsee
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Originally Posted by
Bugle M In
Firstly, glad to see your back.
As to Trapman, I have heard that it is "really tough" to trap wolves....due to their intelligence.
PG66, thanks for some insight on your experience and that little tidbit about goats, as I was just thinking about my past season talk with a GO up in the EK.
Yes, lots and lots of wolves up in that watershed area....and beyond.
The GO keeps repeating that the trapper in that area, basically refuses to trap wolves....so, they don't get taken.
Now, from what you have said, and the fact that there isn't much money in wolf hides, answers that for me, and why
possibly that trapper chooses not to go for them.
Intersetly, I have watched 4 GO's own that territory....actually 5, but the 1st GO did well, but just decided to sell.
The 2nd, who owned it for years, slowly over time watched the game disappear, to the point he just kept saying to me that there was "no game" left really back in the high country like it once was.
The 3rd never even got really started, and sold off to a 4th.
The 4th basically shot up what he could find, but within a couple of years, he also said there was nothing out there.
That really, he was mostly targeting goats....which, from my understanding, he sort of lost that territory due to shooting "too many nannies".
Anyways, the 5th, this current GO, has had poor success in harvesting elk the past few years, and basically said that Goats were now his real main source of revenue, and again, stated the same, no game, bad habitat....and wolves.
Like you said, he said the same....he takes 1 here and there, but it's not enough, and hunting them is really hard.
But, one last thing about Goats....he explained to me how these Goats, come winter time, seem to come way down the slopes of this 1 particular mountain that carries lots of nannies and kids.
Just so happens, this slope comes to a pinch point on the river....right where the wolves seem to get most of their success.
I have a bad feeling, it's only a matter of time, until these wolves, and the increased # of cougars in the area, deplete this watershed of Goat as well.
And if that happens, that GO and anyone after him is finished....IMO.
And if no GO buys that territory in the future....well...we have seen how "other groups" are slowly buying them up,
and they ain't the sort of folks, we as hunters want to see buying up these territories.
Just another thought on how bad other things can come from our current situation that we don't really take into account for the future.
That's 4 of the last 5 GO's....who have sat at "my camp"....not theirs....talking to me, telling me how bad it is for them up there, and no, it's not the competition that they are trying to alleviate.
Anyways, when the wolves get done with one source, they may not necessarily move on...they just may possibly switch, so your think about "more goats" after removing wolves holds a lot of water in my books.
Thanks for the insight...and confirming some of my thoughts/fears.
I really wish you had a clue what goes on in 4-25 the rest of the year instead of the 2 weeks in the fall that you are there. Trappers in the area do set for wolves, you can goggle the pioneer paper from last year on the article about one of the animals they caught. Wasn't a wolf though. The one trap area was also sold last year how is the new guy doing.
As for goats you answered it your self could be to many nannies taken by hunters , very deprimental to the herd.
Goats have been declining there for years and again this was voiced, the organization guys on here said no but counts are showing a different story now. Again to little to late.
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LBM
I really wish you had a clue what goes on in 4-25 the rest of the year instead of the 2 weeks in the fall that you are there. Trappers in the area do set for wolves, you can goggle the pioneer paper from last year on the article about one of the animals they caught. Wasn't a wolf though. The one trap area was also sold last year how is the new guy doing.
As for goats you answered it your self could be to many nannies taken by hunters , very deprimental to the herd.
Goats have been declining there for years and again this was voiced, the organization guys on here said no but counts are showing a different story now. Again to little to late.
LBM...WTF....really,
Seems like the GO's up there, spend a lot of time up there.
If the GO in the area says that the trapper there "isn't trapping wolves"...then why wouldn't I take his word for it??
Now, if there is a "new trapper" in there.....then okay...just say that.....but that's the 1st I heard about it!
As for Goats, the GO just acquired 2 more permits...extra....why?
Because it is in an area where the leh is like 0.6:1 odds....so basically, No One Hunts up there for Goats!!
Thus, he was given those extra tags now.
As for too many Nannies...yes, you could blame 1 previous GO for that....and they have a reputation for that..
Blasting up everything...but I doubt the GO right now is anything like that.
But Wolves are there, and the Goats do come down in winter, and the Elk are gone, and sure seems to be a lot less
WT around as well....or...they have becoming very well hidden....due to wolf/pred in the area.
You think those GO's were all full of S***!....
Seems like your the "leading authority".....so go for it.
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12 nannies killed in all of 4-25 in the past 15 years. 2 in the last 5 years.
Pretty difficult to conclude that this would be the cause of a population decline.
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Fisher-Dude
12 nannies killed in all of 4-25 in the past 15 years. 2 in the last 5 years.
Pretty difficult to conclude that this would be the cause of a population decline.
Exactly!!...why LBM says "hunters" are responsible for that, is beyond me??!!
Seems to him, hunters are the reason for that decline up there for all game #'s.
It's BS, I know there are many guys up there hunting in general, not just from talking to the GO's, but also other workers in the area.
Way more hunters until about the mid 90's at best....now, hardly a soul up there creating all that "so called damage".
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Bugle M In
Exactly!!...why LBM says "hunters" are responsible for that, is beyond me??!!
Seems to him, hunters are the reason for that decline up there for all game #'s.
It's BS, I know there are many guys up there hunting in general, not just from talking to the GO's, but also other workers in the area.
Way more hunters until about the mid 90's at best....now, hardly a soul up there creating all that "so called damage".
Didn't say that at all, twist it to what ever you want.
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Originally Posted by
Fisher-Dude
12 nannies killed in all of 4-25 in the past 15 years. 2 in the last 5 years.
Pretty difficult to conclude that this would be the cause of a population decline.
How many there to start.
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Originally Posted by
Bugle M In
LBM...WTF....really,
Seems like the GO's up there, spend a lot of time up there.
If the GO in the area says that the trapper there "isn't trapping wolves"...then why wouldn't I take his word for it??
Now, if there is a "new trapper" in there.....then okay...just say that.....but that's the 1st I heard about it!
As for Goats, the GO just acquired 2 more permits...extra....why?
Because it is in an area where the leh is like 0.6:1 odds....so basically, No One Hunts up there for Goats!!
Thus, he was given those extra tags now.
As for too many Nannies...yes, you could blame 1 previous GO for that....and they have a reputation for that..
Blasting up everything...but I doubt the GO right now is anything like that.
But Wolves are there, and the Goats do come down in winter, and the Elk are gone, and sure seems to be a lot less
WT around as well....or...they have becoming very well hidden....due to wolf/pred in the area.
You think those GO's were all full of S***!....
Seems like your the "leading authority".....so go for it.
New trapper just started this year. the trapper before was setting for wolves.
No your the one that seems to spread the---- and the one complaining about the outfitter wanting 6 point elk
season so can get trophy bulls but cant get any. Well some residents are doing well and getting some damn fine elk.
Again I don't no why people don't tell you anything or why you think they have to. Your there 2 weeks out of the year
a lot happens the rest of the time.
Sorry pro guide for your thread getting off track but get tired BS being spread.
Was kind of about wolf trapping though.
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Nice to see you back PG66. If the Indians have requested your help, get them to pay you, lord knows they have a shit ton of money to spend, remember it's year end!!
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LBM
How many there to start.
Population must be >100 in every year or they wouldn't have a hunt.
That's the minimum threshold.
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Start the gofundme now Steve, I'll gladly donate and will share it with 10,000+ resident hunters on FB.
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Originally Posted by
Fisher-Dude
Population must be >100 in every year or they wouldn't have a hunt.
That's the minimum threshold.
Interesting in 2014 the estimated goat population in 25A was 25 yet they still gave out tags.
Also pretty sure they don't do counts every year so looks like scientific based things may be flawed.
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Bottom line is this.....
NO ONE is going to do shit unless someone STARTS. EVERYONE is going to have some kind of opinion, EVERYONE has some kind of 'fact' or 'answer' but bottom line, NO ONE is motivating anyone to do SHIT, got it? Believe me , I have had it up to THE NUTS in the past from 'opinions' on the topic - period. I dont give a F$%k what club, organisation, ministry, band, group, forum, whatever the f you are from or represent, SHOW ME WHAT YOU HAVE DONE?
This is what I HAVE DONE ( ALONE by the way),
Saw the problem, seeked out and acquired a legal license, seeked out and found the knowledge, seeked out and acquired permission, funded it 100%, MYSELF went out there and killed a PILE OF WOLVES and made a difference. ALL BY MYSELF. I never seeked anyones 'approval' - didn't need it - I went and DID IT. The SAME TIME, I motivated MANY on here to go get their license and get after it, again, with no ones approval, no vote needed, NO ONE's opinion to stop me or slow me.
And THAT is the sweet thing we have here on this thread. If ANY of YOU know a wolf killin licensed trapper who CAN make a difference where YOU hunt, seek them out, fund their asses to target wolves and GET IT DONE - end of story. And THAT is about as fast and simple as it gets. Go DIRECT to where it starts and make it happen. The less 'turns' you have to take , the better the results and faster.
To EVERY person who hunts game in this province and opposes this move, even a little bit?? My straight up reply to you will get my ass banned from here and this thread removed.
I am awaiting a few other items on my plate to be dealt with before I can personally commit to a project here in reg 2 this winter but if I do, you hunters that hunt Squamish to Goldbridge are going to help get it done, and I WILL get it done.
Aside from 'me' and this thread, all I ever seem to see is useless banter back and forth on the topic from key board conservation wizards, I don't EVER see anyone DOING anything- EVER. So, dropping 'opinions' on here isn't going to do SHIT, talking among your local outdoor enthusiasts, seeking out wolf killers and motivating them IS. What more can I say here??
DO SOMETHING !!!!
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Let’s try this again. I totally agree Steve this is my first year trapping wolves . With over 700 pounds of bait and 130 hours of trapping time and only 5 wolves to show . It is one of the hardest and most time consuming trapping there is . You hear of so many people on the site saying they would like to help the problem , Put your support we will do the most good. Support A Trapper
Thats AWESOME !!! Id slap $5k in your mit in a second for that alone if I had it !! 5 wolves makes a HUGE dofference. This time of year is as well typically the tough time to get them compared to later when they start to breed. I never got good numbers till mid/late Feb through to end of season. DONT STOP !!
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proguide66 would you consider putting on a course for trapping wolves you would charge a fee i am close to retirement and i can think of nothing better than doing a little community service
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proguide66 would you consider putting on a course for trapping wolves you would charge a fee i am close to retirement and i can think of nothing better than doing a little community service
As long as it was VERY worthy of the time, meaning the people I was sharing with WERE GOING TO DO IT, can do it, are all lined up to DO IT. To travel 3 or 4 hrs to share it with people who were curious and 'might' do it one day isn't appealing. It as well wouldn't be about getting paid to share it.
On a side note on that topic, a couple years ago the WSSBC asked me if I would talk about wolf trapping at the banquette. I did. THEN guess what they told me after? That some DOUCHE ( they never told me their name) from the Trapping association called them and went off on them for doing that !!! WTF?????
You see why I do not hold much interest in clubs or politics?? You want to get shit done, you DO IT.
Imagine actually blowing an 'ego driven' gasket at someone talking about wolf trapping to outdoors people who may (in the end) be encouraged to get their license and get after it ?? HEAD SHAKE !!!!
If you know of guys who are willing and able ( licensed, place to legally do it and are GOING TO), I'd go way out of my way to unload what I know on them in a heartbeat.
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in my currant job i deal with cattle men every day who deal with the wolf problem i am in a position to take this info and help them out if you can find the time and the right amount of trappers and hunters i am in and willing to travel to get a first hand help up
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Hey PG66,
Thanks for starting this thread
You are an inspiration to others. Your youtube and instagram stories are not only entertaining but inspirational. Thank you for doing what you do.
I think most people would want to financially help but sometimes don't know how to i.e. who to contact. This would be the case for me. I live in the west kootenays and have no idea who here traps. Since we are hot on this topic, I think we could perhaps start a separate thread that would contain contact info for active trappers. And maybe we can sticky that thread. If people feel that there are privacy issues with that, how about a contact list at local firearm stores? I am sure they would be happy to help. This way a person like me can access contact info easily, take the trapper out for a beer, and fund him/her to the best ability that one can.
Everybody has an opinion and not everybody is going to help. If people cant donate money, I think even a small thank you or taking the trapper out for a beer would keep him/her going.
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Great to see you back here..I understand the hair straight back scenario.
Great words of wisdom bud.was in on 3 wolves getting shot over past 2 years..not enough.
I am on retirement disability but you speak the truth..going to donate $200 to the cause with a trapper I know..wish it were more.
Thank you for making sense .
Don't be such a stranger here,
Cheers
Another Steven
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Great to see you on here again PG66 !
My Hats off to you and your effort forward toward this. We should all be grateful.
Im certainly in on support of this and will throwing our best foot forward as a family of Hunters.
Thanks Again, it's people like you that make a difference .......
Hopefully some see the same thoughts and proven science on the G Bear as a top predator affecting ungulate populations. The rediculious new G Bear regulation brought on by the NDGreens does nothing to support all wildlife.
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