View Full Version : Gorgeous 6x7 elk dead and unclaimed in Squamish River Valley
albravo2
09-30-2013, 11:11 PM
I was out running the dogs up the Squamish Valley and ran into another hunter. Right away he asked me if I'd seen the big bull elk dead just off the road. I hadn't, so he took me back to see it. A beautiful, huge, 6x7 Roosevelt bull elk crumpled in a heap 55 yards from the road with its tongue hanging out and no apparent trauma save for a thumb sized hole in the hide just behind the ribs.
Bullet? Battle wound? Ungulate hari-kari?
There isn't usually cell service for 20kms but I know of a cell bounce that usually works so I drove a couple kms and called the RAPP line. I gave the details and received a call from a CO within 20 minutes. I told him where it was and said I'd stick around to help. An hour and a half later he arrived and we walked over the the dead bull. Several hours and about 30mms of rain later we figured out what happened.
Tomorrow morning, some photos and the results of our riverside autopsy.
kennyg826
09-30-2013, 11:50 PM
You couldn't just tell us what happened?
Darksith
09-30-2013, 11:51 PM
tomorrow morning...awe man!
Fella
09-30-2013, 11:55 PM
Looking forward to it!
drum_boy101
10-01-2013, 05:53 AM
Is it story time yet?
luckofthedraw
10-01-2013, 06:07 AM
First thought of course is poaching, but due to the suspense of your story I suspect something unusual coming.
Sander
10-01-2013, 06:13 AM
Still waiting....pictures...story?
Rackem
10-01-2013, 06:41 AM
Necropsy, in animals it is a necropsy...I used to love doing them, felt like Sherlock Holmes..
Blainer
10-01-2013, 07:09 AM
None the less,very sad situation
muleychaser
10-01-2013, 07:46 AM
Tomorrow morning, some photos and the results of our riverside autopsy.
UMMMMMM, Hate to remind you but its tomorrow morning already!!!!!
bighornbob
10-01-2013, 08:20 AM
My bet is they find a broken tine inside the bull.
BHB
Amphibious
10-01-2013, 08:22 AM
Heli-logged in there a while back, some truly remarkable animals in that valley. I have a gorgeous 7pt shed I recovered from a sandbar up river on my mantel. Sad to hear of one going to waste.
270WIN
10-01-2013, 08:28 AM
that's to bad. few years ago two big bulls killed them self right by 20 mile as well. I sure hope this bull was not poached and left.
adriaticum
10-01-2013, 08:41 AM
Necropsy, in animals it is a necropsy...I used to love doing them, felt like Sherlock Holmes..
ok Sherlock.
adriaticum
10-01-2013, 08:47 AM
My bet would be he was stabbed by another bull.
burger
10-01-2013, 08:48 AM
Yup I agree battle wound he succumbed to
Sofa King
10-01-2013, 08:57 AM
None the less,very sad situation
why?
so it's sad if an elk dies by battle, doing what they naturally do, but it's freakin' awesome, high fives when a hunter blasts them dead?
I don't get it.
this isn't a human or a loved one.
hardly worth making someone sad, maybe greenepeace.
albravo2
10-01-2013, 09:27 AM
ugh. now trying to figure how to upload pictures. tried the facebook cut/paste but didn't work. will read the sticky again.
Ringo 7MM
10-01-2013, 09:35 AM
why?
So it's sad if an elk dies by battle, doing what they naturally do, but it's freakin' awesome, high fives when a hunter blasts them dead?
I don't get it.
This isn't a human or a loved one.
Hardly worth making someone sad, maybe greenepeace.
until you learn how to respect animals, you should quit hunting, because with that kind of statement you just made, shows me you are just a cold hearted idiot!
squamishhunter
10-01-2013, 09:38 AM
until you learn how to respect animals, you should quit hunting, because with that kind of statement you just made, shows me you are just a cold hearted idiot!
But on the other hand it's not going to waste. It will feed many animals.
270WIN
10-01-2013, 09:39 AM
until you learn how to respect animals, you should quit hunting, because with that kind of statement you just made, shows me you are just a cold hearted idiot!
don't want to hi jack the thread but that was well said Ringo
albravo2
10-01-2013, 10:21 AM
Ok, Aheny postponed the suffering of figuring out how to post pictures. I thought the facebook trick would work but I must have done something wrong. He is posting to dropbox and I'll post shortly.
So, the story:
When the CO and I approached the bull it didn't seem to be long dead. Rigor mortis had set in but there was no bloating and almost no smell. Given the hole that was visible on the rib cage I figured he had been gut shot and ran a good distance from the shooter before he died. There are two LEH winners out there, I was hoping the shooter was one of them and the story would have a happy ending. The meat looked very salvageable at that point. The CO called one of the LEH holders on his drive down from Whistler and the guy hasn't been hunting yet. He couldn't get in touch with the second one.
We rolled him over, both of us expecting to see a sizeable exit wound but the underside was completely intact. It was also a bit warm which indicated that there was some spoiling on the lower half. There was about a cup full of blood under the body. We looked for other wounds but only found a good scrape with a bit of blood on his left shoulder. At this point we are starting to believe it could have been a battle induced wound but there was nothing obvious about what would have actually killed him. Lack of smell and bloating pointed away from a perforated digestive system and there wasn't much disturbance in the ground around where he lay to indicate a big battle.
When the CO started to skin him we found another dime sized hole in the chest, just left of the brisket. Definite trauma around the wound, but not increasing in size as you would expect from the penetration of a hunting bullet. He pushed his finger in as deep as he could and the hole remained about the same diameter.
As we yanked hide off the shoulders there was a long bruise under the hide on the left side. The meat was dark red/brown and we guessed that it was the result of some blunt force trauma. All indications now are pointing to a natural death and we're starting to feel pretty good. The CO from Whistler was chatting with the other CO that showed up from North Van and was hopeful that they'd be able to chalk it up to natural causes and close the book.
Then, after we'd pulled out the guts to inspect the hole in the ribs from the inside we started to look at the organs. First, the CO noticed that the liver was not all intact. Then I noticed a hole in the heart. Drawing a line from the hole in the ribs to the hole in the chest we found bone fragments consistent with bullet damage. It seems that the bullet entered at the chest, went through the heart and exited the rib cage. It was either a FMJ bullet or the bullet failed to expand. I'm guessing the former, because there was absolutely zero sign of the bullet expanding or blowing up.
Needless to say, the mood went from hopeful to completely sour in those few seconds. Some scumbag thought it would be cool or exciting to shoot this magnificent animal for no reason at all. They couldn't have planned to poach the meat, the kill was too close to a roadway and elk of that size are hard to hide.
It was also tough to swallow the COs decision to leave the carcass for natural predation to take care of. Naturally, I was hoping to salvage some meat and make the best of a bad situation but he said he felt it best to leave it to the critters. After a few hours work in the pouring rain it was a tough decision to hear but I understand the guy with the badge has to make the call.
The only bright spot in a miserable afternoon/evening came just as we were getting into our trucks. The CO from North Van saw shapes in the adjacent field. We all brought out binoculars and sure enough, it was 7 cows, a calf and another bloody huge bull. Too dark to count with certainty, but we all figured he was 6x6 and every bit as big as the bull we'd just walked away from.
If anybody hears anything on this, please PM me and I'll put you in touch with the CO.
Whonnock Boy
10-01-2013, 10:25 AM
That sucks.......
proguide66
10-01-2013, 10:30 AM
damn that sucks ass real bad. Wonder if dropping a cam and vacating would have caught the shitbags.?
BRvalley
10-01-2013, 10:33 AM
interesting story, thanks for sharing
so is the CO still trying to get in contact with the second LEH winner?
albravo2
10-01-2013, 10:39 AM
here are the pics. would someone smarter than me please post them into the thread?
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34520311/elk/elk1.jpeg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34520311/elk/elk2.jpeg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34520311/elk/elk3.jpeg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34520311/elk/elk4.jpeg
adriaticum
10-01-2013, 10:42 AM
Could be the other LEH winner so we don't really know who shot it yet but by the looks of it the meat will go to waste. That's the sad part.
Rackem
10-01-2013, 11:22 AM
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34520311/elk/elk1.jpeg
Rackem
10-01-2013, 11:22 AM
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34520311/elk/elk2.jpeg
Rackem
10-01-2013, 11:23 AM
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34520311/elk/elk3.jpeg
Rackem
10-01-2013, 11:23 AM
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34520311/elk/elk4.jpeg
Steeleco
10-01-2013, 11:39 AM
Worse that poaching, is wasting that poor beast. How can some people sleep at night doing shit like that?
chris
10-01-2013, 11:42 AM
Wow I didnt know there was anything like that in squamish. That things a beauty, too bad it got poached the population cant be that high around there
hare_assassin
10-01-2013, 11:47 AM
What a waste, and what a loathsome person who shot it.
Curious though. What would have happened if the OP had returned to the site after the COs left (like any animal might), hacked off a rear leg and returned home with it?
Are there laws about scavenging?
It seems to me if the CO decides to "leave it for the critters" then it is fair game for any animal to eat some of it, including a human. I know I am probably wrong about this. If I am, then under what section of the regs would someone be charged for scavenging meat from an already dead animal?
Wow, what a terrible story. I wonder if it's possible that the other LEH holder shot the elk somewhere near there, but it ran and died where it was found? I think talking to the other LEH holder is the next logical step. If he/she did not shoot the elk, then all I can say is pathetic. Such senseless poaching can only be the work of a total idiot scumbag.
squamishhunter
10-01-2013, 12:15 PM
What a waste, and what a loathsome person who shot it.
Curious though. What would have happened if the OP had returned to the site after the COs left (like any animal might), hacked off a rear leg and returned home with it?
Are there laws about scavenging?
It seems to me if the CO decides to "leave it for the critters" then it is fair game for any animal to eat some of it, including a human. I know I am probably wrong about this. If I am, then under what section of the regs would someone be charged for scavenging meat from an already dead animal?
I know a trappers license lets you take road kill for bait purposes, not sure it it covers poached animals. I'm assuming a poached animal becomes property of the province.
weatherby_man
10-01-2013, 12:30 PM
Such a waste of a fine animal.
Rackem
10-01-2013, 12:34 PM
It's sad, because someone shot an animal illegally and left it, which gives legal hunters a bad name because in many unenlightened peoples minds, poachers and hunters are the same....
It's sad that a human did not get the joy of eating it.
It is sad the animal is out of the gene pool.
But death itself is not particularly sad, we all do it some day.
As far as I can tell from his posts, Duallie is not known for his tenderness and sensitivity. :wink:
It's not a waste, because nothing in nature is a waste...it all will be consumed and recycled.
rides bike to work
10-01-2013, 02:32 PM
Just wondering did the co take the antlers . I have heard sometimes they take them just so no one is tempted by the trophy .
Rob Chipman
10-01-2013, 02:37 PM
"Just wondering did the co take the antlers"?
I was wondering the same thing.
270WIN
10-01-2013, 02:41 PM
Just checked the LEH regs it only shows one draw in that region and worst of all it starts on the 10of October
albravo2
10-01-2013, 03:40 PM
I asked about the antlers and the CO wasn't entirely clear what would happen to them. I've since asked by email if I can retrieve them but I don't have an answer. I've since been told that the animal becomes property of the province and the rack will probably be auctioned off for conservation.
yamadirt 426
10-01-2013, 03:42 PM
Some rookie probably thought they just shot the buck of there lifetime.... When they got up close, Oh $hit... More people in the bush the better to catch this type of crap. This is sad indeed. If your on this site buddy your a pig and should quit hunting while your behind.
albravo2
10-01-2013, 03:51 PM
Heard back from the CO. They will take what they can of the meat and use if for a grizzly bear research project and they will keep the antlers for evidence.
303carbine
10-01-2013, 04:06 PM
I have put in for the elk LEH for over twenty years without any luck, I have seen a big herd recently and watched them graze on the local greenery.
I wish I could get the LEH, but I'm happy to see them in my travels. What a douche to do such a thing just for shits and giggles.
Ltbullken
10-01-2013, 04:06 PM
Maybe a bad bullet (I've read some mixed reviews about TSX opening properly!!) from an aboriginal hunter or the other LEH hunter who shot it and lost it? Or bad identification by some buck fevered hunter who thought it was a deer and lost/left it? Or just plain poaching...
fyffer
10-01-2013, 04:24 PM
That is do shitty. Above post. Barnes tsx are unreal.
That's sucks. I was up there last Saturday and didn't see anybody except some campers on the Elaho g## side
But really mixing up an elk with a deer is pretty hard to do - don't you think. If you do that u are shooting into the brush and don't have a clear shot.
NovemberBravo
10-01-2013, 05:24 PM
Wow, what a terrible story. I wonder if it's possible that the other LEH holder shot the elk somewhere near there, but it ran and died where it was found? I think talking to the other LEH holder is the next logical step. If he/she did not shoot the elk, then all I can say is pathetic. Such senseless poaching can only be the work of a total idiot scumbag.
I would doubt that the other LEH hunter shot it. Judging by the fact that it was shot straight through the heart and the way that it was described I would assume it could have gone far making it an easy retrieval for the LEH holder. That said I could easy be wrong.
I think the CO was going to try to get in touch with the other LEH holder.
What I don't understand is why the poacher didn't take the rack. It would have been easy enough to take it but not the rest of the meat.
NB
REMINGTON JIM
10-01-2013, 05:36 PM
P_hucking Pathectic Basta*d that did this to such a Beauty ! Very SAD ! :cry: I hope he/they are caught but it won't bring the Big Guy back ! :icon_frow RJ
Johnny G1
10-01-2013, 05:44 PM
P_hucking Pathectic Basta*d that did this to such a Beauty ! Very SAD ! :cry: I hope he/they are caught but it won't bring the Big Guy back ! :icon_frow RJ
Jim, I couldn't say it any better without gettin kicked off the site, Ba$$tard should be shot and left the same way.
You said you ran into another hunter and he showed you the bull. Not trying to cause a problem but did the co talk to that guy? Was he hunting at the time? Just curious.
Sleep Robber
10-01-2013, 05:58 PM
Every year, it never fails, some beautiful animal gets shot and left to rot by either a poacher or an idiot who doesn't give a damn, sad thing is, it's probably not the last of the season either, too many eff ups out there that illegally just shoot and kill for the sake of shooting and killing.
Goddamn that was a nice elk.:(
WKCotts
10-01-2013, 06:05 PM
That's sickening. Hope karma catches up with whomever did this
albravo2
10-01-2013, 06:33 PM
You said you ran into another hunter and he showed you the bull. Not trying to cause a problem but did the co talk to that guy? Was he hunting at the time? Just curious.
Yeah, I gave CO his name and number. I spoke to him several times yesterday. Definitely not the perp.
270WIN
10-01-2013, 06:45 PM
[QUOTE=Ltbullken;1390047]Maybe a bad bullet (I've read some mixed reviews about TSX opening properly!!) from an aboriginal hunter or the other LEH hunter who shot it and lost it? Or bad identification by some buck fevered hunter who thought it was a deer and lost/left it? Or just plain poaching...[/QUO
Either way the leh reg show the draw opening oct 10 so the guy with the tag shooting to early
olympia
10-01-2013, 07:03 PM
Some rookie probably thought they just shot the buck of there lifetime.... When they got up close, Oh $hit... More people in the bush the better to catch this type of crap. This is sad indeed. If your on this site buddy your a pig and should quit hunting while your behind.
I don't think so, he/she wouldn't have shot it with a fmj if they were a rookie hunter mistaking it for a buck. I bet its some goof with an sks, probably shot it right from the road and kept on driving. I wonder if the co checked the road for spent shells in the area?
Jelvis
10-01-2013, 07:20 PM
I would guess some younger type people driving around drinking and shooting some guns.
Prolly shooting animals to see how powerful their gun is. Gang banger wannabees.
Drive by shooting, these people are sick in the membrane.
This is a criminal act against the laws and regs. 25 thousand dollar minimum fine.
This person will be paying the biggest fine ever for an out of season bull elk in an area with small elk numbers.
BlacktailStalker
10-01-2013, 07:44 PM
That's too bad.
Could be the other LEH winner so we don't really know who shot it yet but by the looks of it the meat will go to waste. That's the sad part.
Check the LEH regs only 1 draw. Maybe 1 untold to the Squamish nation, but some of them feel they don't need a draw. Have heard it with my own ears some of them might take one this year anyway, don't believe the law applies to them. Like Steve says , should have put a trail cam up. Maybe a good place to watch for wolves now.
Hope they catch the SOB, there is more of this crap going on in Squish than people know about.
NovemberBravo
10-02-2013, 08:23 PM
On the bright side we (me and al) went for a drive today and saw another gorgeous 6X7 with about 20 other cows. I dream of the day I get the squamish valley elk draw!
Sorry for the bad quality pics, they were taken through binos with a phone
http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae44/beaulieun604/20131002_183904_zpsd60716b9.jpg (http://s956.photobucket.com/user/beaulieun604/media/20131002_183904_zpsd60716b9.jpg.html)
http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae44/beaulieun604/20131002_183823_zps2a0b06a2.jpg (http://s956.photobucket.com/user/beaulieun604/media/20131002_183823_zps2a0b06a2.jpg.html)
http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae44/beaulieun604/20131002_183901_zps23a58a1e.jpg (http://s956.photobucket.com/user/beaulieun604/media/20131002_183901_zps23a58a1e.jpg.html)
http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae44/beaulieun604/20131002_184133_zps97350a22.jpg (http://s956.photobucket.com/user/beaulieun604/media/20131002_184133_zps97350a22.jpg.html)
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NB
NovemberBravo
10-02-2013, 08:24 PM
http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae44/beaulieun604/20131002_184141_zps23a85c18.jpg (http://s956.photobucket.com/user/beaulieun604/media/20131002_184141_zps23a85c18.jpg.html)
Walksalot
10-03-2013, 07:19 AM
Did you check to see if the bugle teeth were missing. I saw a picture of a huge bull left to rot and all that was taken were the bugle teeth.
Rackem
10-03-2013, 07:22 AM
Why would someone take the teeth??
Nice pics of the bull and cows - they don't stand around like that in the East Kootenays...
270WIN
10-03-2013, 08:34 AM
Why would someone take the teeth??
teeth are ivory I believe
Why would someone take the teeth??
with elk either 2 or 4 of there teeth are ivory " can't remember the exact # "
BRvalley
10-03-2013, 08:58 AM
with elk either 2 or 4 of there teeth are ivory " can't remember the exact # "
I remember hearing it was the canine teeth, or where the canines would be if it was a dog? a guy I worked with had what he said was an elk ivory tooth, set into some gold and hung on necklace, but I always thought he was blowing smoke up my ass....it looked like a smokers tooth
biggyun68
10-03-2013, 08:59 AM
teeth are ivory I believe
Teeth are enamel and bone... Only Walrus tusks and Elephant tusks are Ivory
270WIN
10-03-2013, 10:04 AM
Teeth are enamel and bone... Only Walrus tusks and Elephant tusks are Ivory
you should do a little research on this before you post
Cpl_Punishment
10-03-2013, 11:08 AM
until you learn how to respect animals, you should quit hunting, because with that kind of statement you just made, shows me you are just a cold hearted idiot!
Sorry, I'm with Duallie. I haven't read to the bottom yet, so I don't know the results, but this is only sad if it was poached and left to rot. A bull killed in a battle with another spectacular bull, or by a preditor is not sad, it's nature. It's the stuff nature shows are made of.
Not every every dead animal that doesn't end up in someone's freezer or hanging on a wall is sad, it's how species exist, survival of the fittest.
Now obviously knowing the results, that is was shot, that's sucks, but I stand by Duallie on natural deaths.
BRvalley
10-03-2013, 11:20 AM
it was poached, was kind of obvious from the get go of the story...and was a classic duallie reply, as per usual lol
googled elk ivory, interesting, not sure I would ever pay for an ivory ring, but might be cool inset into a knifle handle
I'm surprised sometimes by how little some people know about animals. The bugle teeth in an elk are ivory. They are the incisor teeth. . And it isn't just Walrus' and elephants that have ivory, Narwhal tusks are ivory too.
The elk bugle tooth is treasured as both a trophy by the hunter and as an offering of good luck and long life to those who receive it as a gift.
Walking Buffalo
10-03-2013, 01:30 PM
I'm surprised sometimes by how little some people know about animals. The bugle teeth in an elk are ivory. They are the incisor teeth. . And it isn't just Walrus' and elephants that have ivory, Narwhal tusks are ivory too.
The elk bugle tooth is treasured as both a trophy by the hunter and as an offering of good luck and long life to those who receive it as a gift.
And Ivory is composed of the same tissue found in any other mammalian tooth, Dentin. The term "Ivory" refers to a tooth that holds commercial interest and is large enough to be carved or engraved.
kootenaycarver
10-03-2013, 05:09 PM
Just "google" elk tooth jewelry and you will see what is being referred to.
Gateholio
10-03-2013, 06:19 PM
The Pemberton Wildlife Assoc will likely be posting a reward for information about this. Stay tuned.
Jelvis
10-03-2013, 06:22 PM
Reward! Whaaaaaaaa? Reward wood B A Good Idea. Help catch this person.
Some heads are gonna rollllll.
jellydonut
remington666
10-03-2013, 07:13 PM
i have spent alot of time in squamish and i have seen the elk twice but not for a few years ,i go up there to shoot the odd grouse but mainly to take photos as wildlife photography is a big part of my life .If you could please message me as to where you are spottinng the elk i would love to photograph them ,it looks like you are on the road to ashlu creek am i correct .thank you Andrew
remington666
10-03-2013, 07:20 PM
also good for you Albravo2 for putting in the effort to report the elk and help the c.o. i sure hope if more people see this kind of shit they report what they see as well ,i have noticed more and more people in the squamish river area in the past couple of years and i hope the younger guys respect the area and the wildlife, as the mamquam is a bloody mess with shells and garbage everywhere its really quite sad.
Chopper
10-03-2013, 10:14 PM
The " whistling teeth " on elk are ivory ... and there are 2
biggyun68
10-03-2013, 11:33 PM
I stand corrected elk, narwhals, boar, hippopotamus and sperm whales along with Horn bill and the ivory plant all have ivory:
However modified Ivory incisors are tusks not teeth: And yes I did some research and teeth are definitely enamel and tusks are definitely Ivory: Worked for the faculty of dentistry and we had three dentists that researched tooth composition and strength: I got to find out a bit more than I wanted to know about teeth.
Why a tooth can't be ivory is because Ivory has no blood supply and therefore has more in common with a fingernail than a tooth: Tusks are technically benine tissue and ivory is very resistant to rotting: where as your teeth are very much alive and can die and rot:
Phreddy
10-04-2013, 09:21 AM
Amen to that bro.
until you learn how to respect animals, you should quit hunting, because with that kind of statement you just made, shows me you are just a cold hearted idiot!
44inchStone
10-04-2013, 10:21 AM
This just makes me sick to my stomach when hearing stories like this. Yes most of us have been trying for these draws for years but it seems like we have a better chance at the lottery but leaving this animal there is just wrong. Maybe if it had been there a while, ok.
When it's still warm though, the meat should be used. There is ALWAYS someone out there that can use the meat. They're going to go back to pick up the hinds now?? Let's see if that happens.
That takes time and manpower. When they had three people there to begin with was a the perfect time to quarter him up. Sure wouldn't have taken long.
It's a total shame and waste of such an awesome animal. He deserves better!
,it looks like you are on the road to ashlu creek am i correct .[/QUOTE]Yes. notice the hydro tower. they are seen there a lot.
elkhunter1
10-05-2013, 03:09 AM
They are Ivory
Rackem
10-05-2013, 07:44 AM
From Wickipedia...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivory
The chemical structure of the teeth and tusks of mammals is the same, regardless of the species of origin.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivory#cite_note-9) The trade in certain teeth and tusks other than elephant is well established and widespread; therefore, "ivory" can correctly be used to describe any mammalian teeth or tusks of commercial interest which are large enough to be carved or scrimshawed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrimshaw) (crocodile teeth are also used).
Rackem
10-05-2013, 07:47 AM
Also from Wikipedia...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk
The Benevolent and Protective Order of Elks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_and_Protective_Order_of_Elks) (B.P.O.E.) chose the elk as its namesake because a number of its attributes seemed appropriate for cultivation by members of the fraternity. A representation of the majestic head of the male, with its spreading antlers, was adopted as the first badge of the Order; and is still the most conspicuous element of its copyrighted fraternal emblem.[74] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk#cite_note-BPOE-74) A prized possession of many members of the B.P.O.E. are jewel encrusted, gold mounted elk teeth – which are actually ivory.[75] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk#cite_note-Teeth-75)
Rackem
10-05-2013, 07:55 AM
Personally, I don't find them particularly attractive...looked at a lot of jewelry and belt buckles online...I guess perhaps as a memento of a hunt or something...
http://discussions.texasbowhunter.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=60087&d=1224182680
remington666
10-05-2013, 09:49 AM
thanks rb2 im gonna head up with this weekend with my son if i find them and get any good pics ill post them
TheProvider
10-05-2013, 01:47 PM
The skeleton is getting picked over rather well from 20-50 ravens
remington666
10-05-2013, 09:40 PM
is it the carcass on the edge of the creek just west of the campground ? on the way to aslu creek
TheProvider
10-05-2013, 09:43 PM
I imagine so. Took the 2 and 4yr old for a drive today and saw the skeleton down there.
remington666
10-05-2013, 09:46 PM
yeah i did the same with my 5 year old son and im happy to say it didnt bother him a bit ,i hope i can make a hunter and outdooorsman out of him when he gets a little older
NovemberBravo
10-05-2013, 11:06 PM
is it the carcass on the edge of the creek just west of the campground ? on the way to aslu creek
Yes it is. Did you happen to see any sign of yotes/wolves while you were out? We were hoping that the carcass would expose the wolves in the area.
drakfero
10-06-2013, 08:55 AM
another one? this is sad , we were there in the biggining of Sep. and friend of mine saw dead caw elk..
remington666
10-06-2013, 09:09 AM
no i didnt see any sign of wolf ,there were tracks in the sand ,smaller ones ,but i had my son so i didnt clmb down for a closer look
TheProvider
10-06-2013, 03:56 PM
Lots of tracks but I had my kids and didn't climb down. If you want it for wolves or yotes I'd pull it into the woods a fairways.. That section of road is busy busy this time of year with hunting and fishing. Most animals would be coming into it after dark.
NovemberBravo
10-06-2013, 07:39 PM
OK thanks guys. We have seen wolves in the forest around there but they are still pretty elusive. I thought they would be in there after dark but I figured it was worth a shot to ask if you guys had seen anything.
russm
10-06-2013, 10:59 PM
Just wondering did the co take the antlers . I have heard sometimes they take them just so no one is tempted by the trophy .
My dad was just at a job in cranbrook and was doing some hunting and found a set of 5x5 elk antlers someone had cut off and left, he got in touch with the CO he came by and checked them out and gave him the ok to keep them.
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