buying scope from USA?

[yakideath12]

Anyone have done this before?
Since I live only 30mins away from border, I usually go pick up stuffs at border.
When I tried to place order from us website, it says that items cant not be shipped to Canada.

Do I need to get import permission in order to bring scope from US?

[Ozone]

You need a import permit for anything that goes in or attaches to a gun. Maybe try doing a quick search on this topic.

[yakideath12]

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/dm-md/d19/d19-13-2-eng.html

hm... I dont see anything relating with scope... hm...

[Gateholio]

Do you enjoy rubber gloves? ;)

[jikjak]

ive got a good optics hookup from plainsight solutions on cgn and he gives really good prices. sometimes even better than us prices. my friends and i have ordered tons of stuff from him already. im only 20 mins from the border (pt roberts) and i dont bother getting optics in the states.

[adamgarbett]

My grandpa just grabbed me a Nikon monarch on his last bus tour to the Casino in Washington. He didn't seem to have any problems lol. I guess that could have gotten pretty ugly tho.

Try eBay???

[fyffer]

I called the border only some scopes of extreme power you can't bring back. different classes of scopes. A 3-9 is fine. I got my Nikon Buck master for 150 down there

[Gibby0087]

I just recently brought back a scope from cabelas. And I have researched quite a bit on this topic if you read the cbsa website it states that the only thing that you would need permits for is the receiver or a firearm

[Ozone]

Don't forget to ask for lube when there putting on the glove or you could do more research on exporting from the US, the choice is yours.

[Walksalot]

It is not the Canadian Customs, it is not the American Customs, it is Homeland Security which sets up periodic checks on vehicles prior to arriving at the Canadian border coming from The States. If they catch you with any item which is deemed to threaten the security and safety of the American people you could loose your privileged to visit The United States and risk confiscation of your vehicle.. As the person from Homeland Security in Seattle Washington told me on the phone-"the chances of getting caught might be slim but are the repercussions worth the risk?"

[Agent Orange]

It is not the Canadian Customs, it is not the American Customs, it is Homeland Security which sets up periodic checks on vehicles prior to arriving at the Canadian border coming from The States. If they catch you with any item which is deemed to threaten the security and safety of the American people you could loose your privileged to visit The United States and risk confiscation of your vehicle.. As the person from Homeland Security in Seattle Washington told me on the phone-"the chances of getting caught might be slim but are the repercussions worth the risk?"

X2
I took the risk with my leupold but in hind sight it wasn't the best decision.

[guntech]

It is against US export laws for a rifle scope to be exported to Canada without import/export licenses in hand. There are thousands of 'controlled items' that fall into this category. These laws came into effect after 9 / 11. Canada is on the no ship list due to Rock and Axeworthy. Many other countries do not have this restriction.

Homeland Security have roving border patrol agents who may stop any vehicle headed for the Canadian border and search them for 'controlled items'. If you get caught by one of these patrols be prepared to have items confiscated and being detained and fined.

This is all old news. The link below is to a thread posted in open chat over 5 years ago...
http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?18873-Here-is-what-must-be-done-inorder-to-obey-the-Import-Export-laws-of-Canada-amp-The-U-S

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[Rackmastr]

As posted, this is old news. US has export requirements and if stopped at an export check (which happen quite regularly and almost daily at a lot of places) you will have issues with USCBP and ATF.

Export checks by US are a common occurance. Do NOT think that you wont get stopped by USCBP heading north.

[Steeleco]

Recently I was stopped by a regular looking US Border agent and given the third degree. They too are now trained on the laws as well as the ATF guys I once had the displeasure of meeting. One trip I was even told I'd been shopping at WSS in Burlington and was parked in the line up for some 10 min answering questions about my spending for that day. So don't think they don't have places being watched and looking for your BC plate.

Hell I recall a story of a HBC member being detained for many hours all because the agent found a spent .22 shell on the floor of his truck.

So for those of you that think those of us speaking against it are on glue. Grab a coffee and have a GOOD read here.

http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/regulations_laws/itar.html

The law of averages isn't stacked in your favor on this one!

[HIGHRPM]

I for one, am pissed that our great neighbours and freinds have treated us like terrorists since 9/11! We didn't do it, we had no part in it, so why are we being treated so unfairly. I look at the big picture and it's not pretty and I am sure as hell, if something bad happened here we would not do to the US what they have done to us ! All we want is to save a buck and expand our range of products that we can buy and enjoy just as their citizens do. We should be removed from their list !

[revarchery]

If you are buying a Zeiss, absolutely buy it in the states. Get it sent to a friends address, they take it out of the box and ship it to you in the mail (now its used). There is a 25% tariff on anything made in Germany, for some goofy reason. If its a domestic rifle scope they can't hassle you. Get an American made one (good luck) and there is no duty. If you are worried just buy one in Canada. By the time you spend the day driving its probably cheaper anyways.

[Rackmastr]

Just an FYI...but there is no difference in duty rates for used or new items. If an item is made outside of a free-trade agreement country, its subject to duty regardless of 'new' or 'used' status and depending on the item.

[Drillbit]

[QUOTE=Steeleco;1340503]
Hell I recall a story of a HBC member being detained for many hours all because the agent found a spent .22 shell on the floor of his truck.

[QUOTE]

Yep, that was me. Searched by ATF & US Army. Then searched by US border gaurds with dogs, then searched by Canadian border guards. Had a few spent 22 brass cases in the truck box, under the rubber mat in the boxliner grooves from gopher hunting in the prairies.

[guntech]

If you are buying a Zeiss, absolutely buy it in the states. Get it sent to a friends address, they take it out of the box and ship it to you in the mail (now its used). There is a 25% tariff on anything made in Germany, for some goofy reason. If its a domestic rifle scope they can't hassle you. Get an American made one (good luck) and there is no duty. If you are worried just buy one in Canada. By the time you spend the day driving its probably cheaper anyways.

You would be breaking the US export laws... rifle scopes are on the controlled list regardless of where they are made, used or new...

[Everett]

Canada doesn't care about you bringing it in but the Yanks care about you leaving with it. If they catch you leaving the States with it your screwed.

[guntech]

I for one, am pissed that our great neighbours and freinds have treated us like terrorists since 9/11! We didn't do it, we had no part in it, so why are we being treated so unfairly. I look at the big picture and it's not pretty and I am sure as hell, if something bad happened here we would not do to the US what they have done to us ! All we want is to save a buck and expand our range of products that we can buy and enjoy just as their citizens do. We should be removed from their list !


We are on the list at the request of Rock and Axeworthy (2 anti gun politicians). When the list was being made up, they were asked... and they said not to exempt Canada from the import/export restrictions.

We need to work on our present government to renegotiate with the US on this situation.

[guntech]

[QUOTE=Steeleco;1340503]
Hell I recall a story of a HBC member being detained for many hours all because the agent found a spent .22 shell on the floor of his truck.

[QUOTE]
Yep, that was me. Searched by ATF & US Army. Then searched by US border gaurds with dogs, then searched by Canadian border guards. Had a few spent 22 brass cases in the truck box, under the rubber mat in the boxliner grooves from gopher hunting in the prairies.

I had a friend detained, his vehicle searched, parts confiscated, seats cut open (nothing found in them). A shotgun stock was the cause of his problems... all shotgun parts are controlled items. They seized everything though, even stuff that was not a controlled item. It took several hours before he was released... he had been at a gun show.

[Gibby0087]

Recently I was stopped by a regular looking US Border agent and given the third degree. They too are now trained on the laws as well as the ATF guys I once had the displeasure of meeting. One trip I was even told I'd been shopping at WSS in Burlington and was parked in the line up for some 10 min answering questions about my spending for that day. So don't think they don't have places being watched and looking for your BC plate.

Hell I recall a story of a HBC member being detained for many hours all because the agent found a spent .22 shell on the floor of his truck.

So for those of you that think those of us speaking against it are on glue. Grab a coffee and have a GOOD read here.

http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/regulations_laws/itar.html

The law of averages isn't stacked in your favor on this one!


First off I wanna say thanks for showing me this I never seen before but I did a brief read on the general polices and if you goto section 126.5 it says Canadian exemptions mind you I havnt read the whole thin my phone screen to small and I should probably be workin lol. Bit just throwing it out there. Ill have a more in depth look when I get home

[Dannybuoy]

Just an FYI...but there is no difference in duty rates for used or new items. If an item is made outside of a free-trade agreement country, its subject to duty regardless of 'new' or 'used' status and depending on the item.

I'll add a FYI ... there is no duty/tariff on "gifts" sent from the states . The US export laws regarding firearms and related items would still apply though .

[Rackmastr]

I'll add a FYI ... there is no duty/tariff on "gifts" sent from the states . The US export laws regarding firearms and related items would still apply though .

However, gifts only fall under the "gift" exemption if they are under $60 CDN.

[tuchodi]

I had a friend who lived in Cranbrook and he said he could save a lot of money by going to Spokane and buying a scope which he did. I informed him of the risk of getting caught by the US side as Canada doesn't really care. He told me I was crazy and did it any way. For his savings it cost him 1 day in jail in the USA and they seized his car and it took about a month to get it back with a hefty bill. I am sure he caused a fuss which would have made it worse on him and that's maybe why he ended up in jail but now he has a criminal record and can not go to the USA any more. He was going to save $130.00 on a Swarovski scope.

[Steeleco]

So is there anybody out there that still thinks this a good idea??????

There was even a window of time when I could have bought my e-bay items and have them shipped to family in the UK. They could have simply re-wrapped the package and sent it too me here in Canada. That window was SLAMMED shut before I got to make use of it. Our Cousins to the south take great pride in protecting themselves from Terrorist, like US!!!

[Steeleco]

First off I wanna say thanks for showing me this I never seen before but I did a brief read on the general polices and if you goto section 126.5 it says Canadian exemptions mind you I havnt read the whole thin my phone screen to small and I should probably be workin lol. Bit just throwing it out there. Ill have a more in depth look when I get home

If you can understand that you must have a law degree and a masters in WTF does that mean!!

[Iron Glove]

So is there anybody out there that still thinks this a good idea??????

There was even a window of time when I could have bought my e-bay items and have them shipped to family in the UK. They could have simply re-wrapped the package and sent it too me here in Canada. That window was SLAMMED shut before I got to make use of it. Our Cousins to the south take great pride in protecting themselves from Terrorist, like US!!!

My Son's ex wife's sorta Father-In-Law ( long story ) lives just across the border in Washington.
He's quite a firearms kinda guy and told me he would bring anything across that I wanted - scopes, high capacity mags, whatever.
I politely declined.
I was tempted at times to call the Border with a tip tho'. :evil:

[The Hermit]

This morning, I tried to buy a Leupold Vendetta RANGEFINDER for my bow on ebay and IT is classified and they can't ship them to Canada... now that is f'ed up!

News Flash .... .... ... Canadians pissed off with US Export Policies invade the US armed with laser rangefinder equipped bows and arrows... all three of the intruders were killed when Homeland Security fired on them with Exocet Missles! Farking re -Tards!!!

[jhausner]

Some of you are a bit off. The US isn't denying the sale of these parts to Canadians. They are simply requiring an export permit to control the flow over the border. Canada in turn is requiring an import permit. You can STILL purchase rifle scopes from the US, you just need to get the paper work in order. If you're that keen, I would suggest finding a US exporter that has what you want for the price and offers export to Canada. Typically the little guys or people on eBay don't want to go through the hassel of neeidng to fill out import/export paper work so they simply say "won't ship outside the US." You can also get your permits in order and go down there then pick the thing up and bring it back into Canada. it takes more effort like I said so I'd suggest unless you're getting an absolutely smoking deal or buying something you simply can't get up here, it's probably best to just buy from Canada.

[Glassman]

So the US won't allow you to bring a scope across the border so that I can shoot a deer with, but it's ok for them to export millions of land mines to other countries that do nothing but maim and kill humans.
Yup, seems reasonable to me.

[Iron Glove]

So the US won't allow you to bring a scope across the border so that I can shoot a deer with, but it's ok for them to export millions of land mines to other countries that do nothing but maim and kill humans.
Yup, seems reasonable to me.

Oh common, the importers of the land mines had the appropriate paper work. :wink:

[REMINGTON JIM]

http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/offdocs/itar/p121.htm Check this out :) RJ

[rred]

I bought my scope from the states, walked across and picked it up and walked back... no problems. Canada side asked to see my PAL, I paid HST on the receipt amount and I had my new VXIII. But after reading this, I wont be doing that again. I was naive and got lucky. I dont remember if I showed my printed receipt to the american border guard when I walked through.

[goatdancer]

I bought my scope from the states, walked across and picked it up and walked back... no problems. Canada side asked to see my PAL, I paid HST on the receipt amount and I had my new VXIII. But after reading this, I wont be doing that again. I was naive and got lucky. I dont remember if I showed my printed receipt to the american border guard when I walked through.

Why would they ask to see your PAL?

[scott87]

was looking at buying a new scope down there. glad i seen all this as im not a fan of my baloonknot geting poked.

[Gunner]

It's a US law.get over i If you want to do it anyway do it.Just don't whine if you get caught.It is just that simple.obey their laws on their territory or do't.Gunner

[yakideath12]

Thank you all for info

I found out that unless you are planing to do exporting business, its wasting money to apply license.

Fee is 2200 us dollars for a year and I have to be in US in order to apply.

well.. bye bye smoking deal

[v-king]

I got my Nikon Prostaff at the Bellingham Walmart. Killed two birds with one stone: cheap scope and found out that my prostate is fine ;)

[Fred1]

I got my Nikon Prostaff at the Bellingham Walmart. Killed two birds with one stone: cheap scope and found out that my prostate is fine ;)

Maybe we are talkin a different kind of scope here!?! 0_o

LMAO!!!!!

[the bear]

bought a zeiss scope 6 years ago ordered on e-bay over 300.00 less than wholesale sports no problems at all

[rred]

Why would they ask to see your PAL?
She asked me if I had a license and I replied "a license for optics?" I pulled out my PAL and was on my way. She definitely didn't like the sass

[Singleshotneeded]

If you find a scope for a great price on webyshops.com or optics planet, where they work with Canadians, they'll email you
the Canadian import permit application, you'll get that back, approved, from our gov't in two days. You email that to the
site you're buying from along with a one liner: I'm buying this for recreational hunting and target practice in Canada.
The site will forward your Canadian import permit and fill out an application for a US export permit to their gov't and you'll
be approved and your scope will be en route to you in about three weeks. I wouldn't have bothered but I bought a 3-9X40
Bushnell Elite 4200 awhile back for $210, and they wanted over $400 for it at WSS...when you're saving 50%, it's worth it. :-)

[yakideath12]

yah found a website selling vortex viper 4-12 for 399 and nomad spotting scope for 125 when you order with scope.
but they dont deal with outside of US customers so

Gonna delete the deal from my head

Thank you all who replied (learned new stuff)