Mule Deer Hunting 8-11 1985

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[GoatGuy]

Was talking to Coach about this last night and he suggested it be added on to here. Sorry about the reading, the software is tough to deal with.

[Stone Sheep Steve]

Had to go to a zoom of 200% but it wasn't too difficult to read.

Thanks for posting that up. Interesting.
Of course, since we're all superhunters now, a season like the good ole days would kill off every deer;-).

I know the poachers liked that area when it was closed.

SSS

[HarryToolips]

Thanks for putting that up GG, very interesting..my buddy found in 8-11 this year a mule deer shed with drop tine, very insane shed, this buck must be fairly old and have good genes I guess..seen a decent amount of bucks in 8-11 this year. Sad news is according to their numbers, in 1985 they are saying there was approx 1930 mule deer in region 8-11 alone, I scout the area year round ALOT and I highly doubt there is that many muleys in 8-11 today..is it because of more WT? Winter habitat loss? More hunting pressure?

[Stone Sheep Steve]

Thanks for putting that up GG, very interesting..my buddy found in 8-11 this year a mule deer shed with drop tine, very insane shed, this buck must be fairly old and have good genes I guess..seen a decent amount of bucks in 8-11 this year. Sad news is according to their numbers, in 1985 they are saying there was approx 1930 mule deer in region 8-11 alone, I scout the area year round ALOT and I highly doubt there is that many muleys in 8-11 today..is it because of more WT? Winter habitat loss? More hunting pressure?

Sure wish that fire from last yr(or the yr before) took off and burned uphill.
Bummer.

SSS

[OutWest]

Sure wish that fire from last yr(or the yr before) took off and burned uphill.
Bummer.

SSS

Would have let it burn if we were allowed to.

[bighornbob]

Was talking to Coach about this last night and he suggested it be added on to here. Sorry about the reading, the software is tough to deal with.

Can you send that to me as a PDF:)

BHB

[GoatGuy]

Can you send that to me as a PDF:)

BHB

Demanding, aren'tcha.

To @shaw

[bighornbob]

Demanding, aren'tcha.

To @shaw

I was just being a Fisher_Dude (ass that is) :):). Got it, thanks I will have a read of it tonight.

Coming to the Sheep show?

BHB

[GoatGuy]

I was just being a Fisher_Dude (ass that is) :):). Got it, thanks I will have a read of it tonight.

Coming to the Sheep show?

BHB

Funny, same thing he said: "you should send that to me, like now"


Gotta work.................

Following weekend there's another local event, but no invite?!?

[boxhitch]

Whats the matter SSS ? I can loan you some specs
So the 'conservative' Sept 10 til Nov 15 g.o.s. any buck had no down side .

[Stone Sheep Steve]

Whats the matter SSS ? I can loan you some specs
So the 'conservative' Sept 10 til Nov 15 g.o.s. any buck had no down side .


But we're all superhunters with ATV's and roads/trails everywhere;-).

We'd all be happy with a 4pt season until Nov 15th....but I doubt we'll see that with a downward trend in the pop.

I guess I'll focus on whitetails.

SSS

[bigben]

Here are some the specifics you all can chew on for proposals for 2014 not this season 2013 but next for the recovery of our mule deer population proposals by the ministry


Management options for mule deer hunting in the Kootenay-Boundary Region
The following management options are proposed for discussion in developing a mule deer management plan for the Kootenay-Boundary Region. These are based on recommendations from stakeholders and the Southern Interior Mule Deer Harvest Procedure. None of the alternatives include doe or fawn hunting, to encourage population recovery in the region. The Ministry’s preferred approach is to have one set of hunting regulations across the region. However if there are major differences in social or biological factors in different areas (e.g., East Kootenay, West Kootenay and Boundary), then different sets of seasons will be considered. Options below range from the most liberal seasons to the most conservative seasons.
Option 1: October any-buck season, 10-day November seasonThese are the current seasons in most of the region.
· Youth any-buck season from Sept 1 – Sept 9
· Bow any-buck season from Sept 1 – Sept 9
· Early 4-point season from Sept 10 – Sept 30
· Any-buck season from Oct 1 – Oct 31
· Late 4-point season from Nov 1 – Nov 10
Option 2: October any-buck season, no November seasonThese are the current seasons but with no November 4-point hunt. The intent of this season set is to reduce overall buck harvest while maintaining opportunities for any-buck hunting.
· Youth any-buck season from Sept 1 – Sept 9
· Bow any-buck season from Sept 1 – Sept 9
· Early 4-point season from Sept 10 – Sept 30
· Any-buck season from Oct 1 – Oct 31
Option 3: Late 11-day any-buck seasonThe intent of these seasons is to avoid overlap with the elk season. However a later any-buck season will likely result in higher harvest than an early any-buck season (since buck vulnerability increases closer to the rut and as bucks migrate in to more accessible areas).
· Youth any-buck season from Sept 1 – Sept 9
· Bow any-buck season from Sept 1 – Sept 9
· Early 4-point season from Sept 10 – Oct 20
· Any-buck season from Oct 21 – Oct 31
· Late 4-point season from Nov 1 – Nov 15
Option 4: Early 9-day any-buck seasonThe intent of these seasons is to retain a short any-buck season in early October, in order to continue to provide some opportunity for hunters to harvest smaller bucks. Our survey of hunters indicates that a segment of the hunting community in the region values the any-buck season.
· Youth any-buck season from Sept 1 – Sept 9
· Bow any-buck season from Sept 1 – Sept 9
· Early 4-point season from Sept 10 – Sept 30
· Any-buck season from Oct 1 – Oct 9
· Late 4-point season from Oct 10 – Nov 15
Option 5: Increase bow huntingThese seasons focus on increasing bow hunting opportunities. Bow hunters have expressed concern with the youth season overlapping the bow season. Hence the youth season below starts after the bow only season. Bow hunters have also requested consideration of a December any-buck season. The suggested riffle season is this option is 4-point or better only, to offset the anticipated increase in harvest associated with a December bow season.
· Bow any-buck season from Sept 1 – Sept 9
· Youth any-buck season from Sept 10 – Sept 30
· 4-point season from Sept 10 – Nov 15
· Late bow any-buck season from Dec 1 – Dec 10
Option 6: Long 4-point seasonThese seasons were in place in the East Kootenay prior to 2010, with the exception of the any-buck season for youth. The intent of these seasons is to limit harvest through a 4-point restriction, while allowing a long hunting season.
· Youth any-buck season from Sept 1 – Sept 9
· Bow any-buck season from Sept 1 – Sept 9
· 4-point season from Sept 10 – Nov 15
Option 7: Short 4-point seasonThe intent of these seasons is to reduce buck harvest substantially, while still maintaining a General Open Season.
· Youth any-buck season from Sept 1 – Sept 9
· Bow any-buck season from Sept 1 – Sept 9
· 4-point season from Oct 1 – Oct 31
Option 8: Limited Entry HuntThis is the most conservative option. The intent of this seasons is to reduce buck harvest substantially through Limited Entry Hunt. This would likely result in the highest buck to doe ratios and more trophy bucks.
· Youth any-buck season from Sept 1 – Sept 9
· Bow any-buck season from Sept 1 – Sept 9
· Limited Entry Hunt any-buck season from Oct 1 – Oct 31

[Stone Sheep Steve]

What would you like to see in the E Koots and/or W Koots, BB??

SSS

[BlacktailStalker]

Sounds great but what is being done about the wolves ? Or do they just get to carry on as is with the granolas watching over them.

[BlacktailStalker]

I guess I should expand. I think its great they are considering changes but really, hunter harvest can't be the sole problem here or am I ignorant to believe that ?
Could this whole province benefit from a wolf cull ?
Can it or will it ever happen, does anyone know if it is even possible with ? Understandably maybe a new topic though...

[mooseslayer]

Thanks for putting that up GG, very interesting..my buddy found in 8-11 this year a mule deer shed with drop tine, very insane shed, this buck must be fairly old and have good genes I guess..seen a decent amount of bucks in 8-11 this year. Sad news is according to their numbers, in 1985 they are saying there was approx 1930 mule deer in region 8-11 alone, I scout the area year round ALOT and I highly doubt there is that many muleys in 8-11 today..is it because of more WT? Winter habitat loss? More hunting pressure?

Depends when you are looking for them, as the deer migrate to rutting/winter range at the end of october and november from 3-12 I am sure the number would be well in excess of 1985 populations as the populations seems to double from that of september. The big difference being the quality in age class, with region 3 hacked down the bucks that make it through the fall are fewer between with age class dwindling each year as the success rate from the migrating areas is so high. Not much for whitetail yet to make too much of a difference, habitat loss, ease of access in both 8-11 and migration routes by hunters have definately affected the age class since 1985. Even in the past 10 years it has been noticeably different, still seems to be 4 points around, just not many getting along with age. The pressure in 8-11 in the past 5 years has been growing dramatically, there still seems to be the odd bruin, however further and farther between and getting worse each year. I can only imagine the number of hunters on this site that have joined me in the convoys of dozens of vehicles headed up bear main through the hunting season. Just have to hunt harder these days... Wish I was there in 1985 with a November 15th season!

[HarryToolips]

Depends when you are looking for them, as the deer migrate to rutting/winter range at the end of october and november from 3-12 I am sure the number would be well in excess of 1985 populations as the populations seems to double from that of september. The big difference being the quality in age class, with region 3 hacked down the bucks that make it through the fall are fewer between with age class dwindling each year as the success rate from the migrating areas is so high. Not much for whitetail yet to make too much of a difference, habitat loss, ease of access in both 8-11 and migration routes by hunters have definately affected the age class since 1985. Even in the past 10 years it has been noticeably different, still seems to be 4 points around, just not many getting along with age. The pressure in 8-11 in the past 5 years has been growing dramatically, there still seems to be the odd bruin, however further and farther between and getting worse each year. I can only imagine the number of hunters on this site that have joined me in the convoys of dozens of vehicles headed up bear main through the hunting season. Just have to hunt harder these days... Wish I was there in 1985 with a November 15th season!
Sounds all about right Mooseslayer!! It is amazing how much traffic is up Bear main during hunting season, especially in Oct when any buck opens. In Oct I see a slaughter on the smaller bucks, gut piles everywhere!! Don't get me wrong, I still find sheds and see bucks when the seasons over, just be nice to see more make it. I like option 2 or 3 for this area, the only thing concerning is what Dana and company said about it being good to have a greater # of mature boys hangin around. Those seasons would increase the 4 point (good breeding buck) harvest..Not so good??