Bob or Dog?

[one-shot-wonder]

Not to be confused with Bob or Doug Mackenzie I am curious to see what you guys think this is.....

Went for a cruise today to look for preds, after a relatively quiet 2 couple hours of touring around I was heading back home and entered a browse flat that I call the smorgasbord which is loaded with deer this time of year. I stop to glass the 10 or so mule deer I see feeding and an eagle swoops by and lands next to its mate on a tree.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c387/One-Shot-Wonder/P1260011_zps3527b2f3.jpg

Then I spot a crow and a magpie.....I know what this means. despite not wanting to pound into the flat and push the deer out, I was curious to find what was attract all the scavengers. So I headed wide to the opposite side the mule deer were feeding at and not before long I found this.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c387/One-Shot-Wonder/P1260016_zpse974772d.jpg

A quick video and pics then on to investigating the murder suspect(s). lots of coyote tracks and what I thought to be small cat tracks as well.....the kill I figure happened last night and the group effort has been making short work of the unlucky mule fawn.

I always come prepared, so back to the vehicle and grab a trail camera, upon the hike back in I stop to glass some whitetails and not far from them is a stationary animal, I look closer and glass what I figure is a bobcat just standing around. I snap a pic and continue on my way to get that Tcam setup before dark.

Upon initial view I was sure it was a bobcat by the way it was carrying itself and even looked to have the ears and colour. However upon review of my photos I am unsure and it could possibly be a coyote. what do you think?

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c387/One-Shot-Wonder/P1260019_zps48b0fcac.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c387/One-Shot-Wonder/P1260018_zps5459b896.jpg

Regardless I will be set up before first light........

[ruger#1]

Looks like a coyote. Wack him.

[Gateholio]

Looks like a yote to me

[Jack Russell]

Looks like a coyote.

[one-shot-wonder]

Will give er a go for sure.....I had to abort mission this evening instead of chasing that "thing" cause I had run to town to buy a bobcat tag

[The Dude]

I enlarged it 10x. Pointy dog ears.
Wile E Something-something....... :D

[ruger#1]

I enlarged it 10x. Pointy dog ears.
Wile E Something-something....... :D Not to mention a longer snout then a cat.

[one-shot-wonder]

So your saying I bought the tag for nothing.......oh well that will be next weekends mission!

[The Dude]

Eight bucks? Good to have spare pred tags in your pocket at ALL times :D

[one-shot-wonder]

With an E caller what sounds would you start off with tomorrow am...... if you were set up near the kill site?

Maybe a locator? or some howls? what about a challenge, maybe fighting over the carcass?

[The Dude]

Any "Locals" know there's a meal there, so they'll be back. Might wanna wait and watch, or use normal Raven calls. That will tell the preds that all is normal, and they can come in.

If that doesn't work, go to challenge howl, or even a fawn bleat. (Fresh meat)

[ruger#1]

I would try a doe bleat for the yote and cat. Watch your back. They will come in any direction.

[one-shot-wonder]

Definitely plan on using the crow calls if the kill is cold......maybe a fawn in distress while its fresh on their mind!

[coach]

Looks like a 'yote. But I know where a bob lives - so your $8 may not go to waste. :-D

[SPEYMAN]

Only my opinion,but it looks like that Eagles young from this year,not it's mate.

[Stone Sheep Steve]

Yote.
Why weren't you packing a full wallet of puddy tat tags?? You get out enough to warrent that.

I'm heading out in the am. Fire me a text if you want some help.
Otherwise, I'm going to try to terrorize some canines/cats on this side of the pond.

SSS

[BCrams]

Yote! Smoke him.

[lovemywinchester]

Yote. Sneak in at dawn from down wind and wait. Don't bother calling till later as you may scare some dogs away. Sit still and be patient, something will come for a snack. Thats an immy eagle for sure, not a mate.

[springpin]

That is a mangy mutt..

[coach]

Rumor has it there's gonna be a part two to this story.. :mrgreen:

[boxhitch]

Can't believe you are out hunting preds without a tag or a gun (smack forehead)

[Stone Sheep Steve]

Rumor has it there's gonna be a part two to this story..

Part II

Hooked up with OSW this am to break in the new FoxPro. Hiked into the kill site at the crack o' dawn and peaked over the ridge....nothing on the kill.

OSW and I set up 75 or so yards apart and waited for a while...then OSW hit the yote greeting button and the whole area lit up with singing dogs!:cool:
Soon the texts were flying back and forth!

After a while OSW used the fawn-in-distress call and we hunkered down.

We both scoured the area for dogs with our binos but all we picked up were many pockets of deer...mostly mulies.

I peaked over my shoulder and discovered that a solo yote had slipped past our eyes and was on the kill...at least what was left of it.

I grabbed the rifle and rolled over only to find out the snow was a tad too deep for the bipod so I thought it would be best if I scared the dog with 3 shots:? so OSW could get a clear shot from his angle once the dog was out to 240yrds or so.
Glad someone in the crowd could shoot.:-D
http://www.huntingbc.ca/photos/data/500/medium/Jan_2013_012.jpg (http://javascript<strong></strong>:;)

http://www.huntingbc.ca/photos/data/500/medium/Jan_2013_011.jpg (javascript:;)

Those dogs had devoured that fawn overnight and all that was left was a small patch of hide and some stinky guts.

We had some other committments so we called it a day.
Need to get up there again very soon.

Good times!

SSS

[one-shot-wonder]

Can't believe you are out hunting preds without a tag or a gun (smack forehead)

Easy now, it was first day of the season for me yesterday and it was a scout more than anything.......the scouting paid off!!!

[one-shot-wonder]

That is a mangy mutt..

In the end he proved to not be mangy :mrgreen:
Had a decent hide on him.......guard hairs were a bit burned though!

[one-shot-wonder]

Yote. Sneak in at dawn from down wind and wait. Don't bother calling till later as you may scare some dogs away. Sit still and be patient, something will come for a snack. Thats an immy eagle for sure, not a mate.

Party plans last night, so wasn't able to heed your advice.....however the raven call followed up by a coyote yips at first light proved to us that there are many other friends of todays casualty....as mentioned by SSS this guy was coming in towards the killsite during a doe in distress call.....interesting to see if he might have been coming in for the scraps regardless. Goes to show you if your on a fresh enough kill calling isnt always needed.

[one-shot-wonder]

Thanks for posting up the pics SSS........here is a video clip of the kill the morning after.
Seriously hungry dogs!
http://youtu.be/jgiDar4RYJg

[coach]

Nice work, boys! Hopefully we can knock a few more of them down soon. It would be fun to get a kill or two on video.

[mbway]

Dog. Shoot first ask questions later:-)

[biggyun68]

What's the animal with the long busy tail sitting on the stump in the fore ground of your picture?

[one-shot-wonder]

Bob Mackenzie!:-D

Fixed it for ya hoser!

[Stone Sheep Steve]

Fixed it for ya hoser!

Sorry...that was a long-tailed bobcat:-D.

[one-shot-wonder]

They tend to hunt in packs......good thing we thinned one of them out!

[The Dude]

Nice work boys! Keep hitting them hard, and there might be some fawns left to breed next fall ;-)

And OSW.......were the guard hairs singed, and smelled like gunpowder? :D
What were you guys both shooting?

[one-shot-wonder]

We all know that only magnums can kill a deer/elk/moose.......so I pack my 7mm-08 predator hunting, cause you NEVER be overgunned :mrgreen:.

[Stone Sheep Steve]

We both need some designated pred guns that's for sure...but we need other stuff too.

Doesn't really matter what caliber I shoot since I can't hit them.

But here's an example of what a 140gn TSX can do when it comes out of a .270 and finally meets a dog....

Gives new meaning to the term "separated shoulder":roll:.

http://www.huntingbc.ca/photos/data/500/medium/Separated_shoulder_002.jpg (http://javascript<strong></strong>:;)

[The Dude]

Shame, looks like they had nice coats on them. I use a .222 for my Yote shooting, but the match bullets I load are not good for fur, so I'll be going to a more conventional soft-nose.
Would love to buy a 22-250 for my Yote gun too ;-)

[coach]

That looks rather gentle, SSS. You should see what a 168tsx out of a 300wsm can do. :-D My .222 is still in need of its first kill. Gonna have to break it in soon.

[one-shot-wonder]

Anybody know of any load combinations for my 7-08 that are fur friendly? (Not interested in purchasing a varmint cal. at this point)

[pnbrock]

nice rifle osw remington?

[one-shot-wonder]

700 mountain lite

[boxhitch]

What were you guys both shooting?Scatter guns apparently :~

Jelious caus you had better luck than I did.

Hornady list 120 g hollow points and v-max s

[one-shot-wonder]

IIRC Hornady lists a 100gr HP........less grain moving faster, more damage possibly?
Try a bullet with less expansion to preserve hides?

[phoenix]

I'd say a heavier more sturdy bullet for less damage for sure. But what fun is that?? I like it when they blowed up, they blowed up real good!! I think I've done too good a job on them around my place, about 8 hours out on snowshoes, 10-12 stands and not even one track, yeah. The other side of the coin is I see yearling muleys constantly:)
Kim

[boxhitch]

Theory of hollow point varmint bullets , with large hp , is to blow up inside with no exit.
Theory and real time don't always jive.
They probably have a 'best' velocity , 'best' range and 'best' body part

In any cse , keep all the hairy parts you can find , they can be sewn on later

[one-shot-wonder]

I'd say a heavier more sturdy bullet for less damage for sure. But what fun is that?? I like it when they blowed up, they blowed up real good!! I think I've done too good a job on them around my place, about 8 hours out on snowshoes, 10-12 stands and not even one track, yeah. The other side of the coin is I see yearling muleys constantly:)
Kim
If that theory holds true than I willl use my big game loads.....140 gr Nosler AB's.
Keep up the good work in your neighbourhood!

[The Dude]

I was using Dan Opel Match bullets (.224) for my .222. Nice bullets with a hollow ogive.

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj313/Heliox18/Shooting%20and%20reloading/SDC12992.jpg


I thought that they would penetrate the fur and vapourize inside, but they kept on going.....very messy exit. Very.....very messy.

[Mr. Dean]

Way ta go!

I got out for a tour today but couldn't find sign if my life depended on it.
More scouting to be had next weekend. :wink:

[boxhitch]

Dude , that HP has a different purpose. Not a game bullet.
Not all HPs are created equal

[Stone Sheep Steve]

Anybody know of any load combinations for my 7-08 that are fur friendly? (Not interested in purchasing a varmint cal. at this point)


I've got still have a few of those reduced-recoil loads that I did up for the loaner rifle for my daughter. Not sure about fur-friendliness of a 120 gn TTSX only doing 2500ft/sec?
They haven't been fired yet. You're welcome to try a few....for a fur experiment.

SSS

[hunter1947]

For sure a coyote..

[Foxton Gundogs]

Longest nose on any cat I've ever seen deffinately a Yote kill it:twisted:

[604redneck]

.223 with varmint grenades is a good combo....haven't had one exit yet but it liquifies the inside of the yote....longest recorded kill was 465 yds and took 4 shots to get the drop and drift and put the 5th bullet behind the shoulder. I just shoot the 30-06 now for dogs, I find it makes stuff extra dead ;)

[coach]

For sure a coyote..


Longest nose on any cat I've ever seen deffinately a Yote kill it:twisted:

Are you guys sure? What distinguishing features are you using to make that determination?

[Stone Sheep Steve]

That looks rather gentle, SSS. You should see what a 168tsx out of a 300wsm can do. :-D

Using a 300wsm for a yote is like using your driver to putt! :-D
A guy really only needs one club in his bag.

A .270 in only like a 3 wood.;-)

I need to buy a rifle for my daughter before I buy a pred gun for myself....but am toying with the idea of killing 2 birds with 1 stone?

SSS

[coach]

Using a 300wsm for a yote is like using your driver to putt! :-D
A guy really only needs one club in his bag.

A .270 in only like a 3 wood.;-)

I need to buy a rifle for my daughter before I buy a pred gun for myself....but am toying with the idea of killing 2 birds with 1 stone?

SSS

I sense a .243 is in your future..

[Foxton Gundogs]

Are you guys sure? What distinguishing features are you using to make that determination?

Pretty sure check pot the blow ups fuzzy but plainly a yote.

http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n499/FoxtonGundogs/Hunting%20other/zzz-1.jpg?t=1359416945
Hrad turned slightly to HIS left the bump of the nose protruding (right of the pic) dark spot at his rump would be the tail wrapped around while sitting

http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n499/FoxtonGundogs/Hunting%20other/zzzz-1.jpg?t=1359417051


again pointed nose with light throat patch is plain as is the dark spot of the tail clamped down

[coach]

Good points, Foxton. A quick look at post #22 may have also helped. :-D

[ruger#1]

Good points, Foxton. A quick look at post #22 may have also helped. :-D Wow I meen completly wow. Coach are you joking? If so I take the WOW back;

[coach]

Wow I meen completly wow. Coach are you joking? If so I take the WOW back;

Sorry, Ruger#1 - I was joking.. Poking fun at H47 and Foxton answering the original question in the thread without reading any of the other posts, including the one in which SSS posted pics of the dead 'yote.. It happens pretty often here - I just thought I'd run with it. :-D Foxton was so thorough with his explanation that I started feeling bad for making a joke.. :-|

Well.. not too bad..:-D

I wonder how long we can string H47 along..

[ruger#1]

No prob coach, I thought some thing was funny. Sorry for my post.

[coach]

It's all good!

[Foxton Gundogs]

You are right coach, but what I was explaining was my original reasons for drawing my conclusion based on the pix first posted. But hey I can take being poked at with the best of them wont ruffle my feathers and no need to feel sorry for missing my point I forgive you lol.:mrgreen:

[one-shot-wonder]

Just in case.......we field verified, ground truthed that it was a Canis latrans better known as a "COYOTE"
thought I would clarify for some of you......:-D

[Stone Sheep Steve]

I still think it's a long-tailed bobcat.

[Foxton Gundogs]

I still think it's a long-tailed bobcat.

With the rare and much prized pointy nose:mrgreen:

[one-shot-wonder]

I still think it's a long-tailed bobcat.

I dont think your rifle needs checking.....its your eye sight!:wink:

[BCrams]

A good read! Too bad there weren't a few more dogs coming in at the same time!

[ruger#1]

It looks more like a possom to me.

[one-shot-wonder]

Made it out for a quick set up this morning before work......pretty slow on the dog calling, with no responses but managed to bring in an eagle, hawk and crows......actually this proved to be valuable as I was able to pattern and locate where about 15 crows and a couple eagles were feeding on another fresh coyote kill......
http://youtu.be/uvh_9i0lwb4

[horshur]

I am not sure it is a good thing that coyotes are making deer kills it say's alot about the state of the herd. Mostly it is a weak deer that falls to coyotes and you got to wonder why they are weak???

[one-shot-wonder]

Shouldn't be due to the feed.....that area is loaded! Coyotes killing deer is never a good thing, I think it shows how many coyotes are in the area, decent size pack would be effective.

I definitely have my work cut out.....

[Stone Sheep Steve]

Yotes put the hurt on deer pretty bad. Don't have to go far to find evidence.
No tall fences in this area but the yotes sure seem to love using them to bring deer down.

SSS

[The Dude]

I am not sure it is a good thing that coyotes are making deer kills it say's alot about the state of the herd. Mostly it is a weak deer that falls to coyotes and you got to wonder why they are weak???


Not true. Do a search on Coyotes kills deer, etc.

Nothing wrong with the buck in this series of pics:]

http://www.buckmanager.com/2011/12/11/on-predator-control-coyotes-and-whitetail/

[horshur]

I have seen it frst hand lots...I still say that if coyotes are killing deer very much best let them.

imagine when the real killers arrive??

[604redneck]

Not true. Do a search on Coyotes kills deer, etc.

Nothing wrong with the buck in this series of pics:]

http://www.buckmanager.com/2011/12/11/on-predator-control-coyotes-and-whitetail/
He said mostly and he is 100% correct, coyotes by themselves will take the easy meals first, besides how do u know that deer in that pic wasn't hurt or sick?

[The Dude]

Let's say I've done a lot of research on this lately. :D

They will use crusty snow, skidoo tracks, fences, anything possible to bring down healthy and young prime deer. If they can corner it in any way, it's dead. Healthy or not.
They're dogs, not David Suzuki. People have to stop believing this "Sick and the weak" fallacy.

[Stone Sheep Steve]

Let's say I've done a lot of research on this lately. :D

They will use crusty snow, skidoo tracks, fences, anything possible to bring down healthy and young prime deer. If they can corner it in any way, it's dead. Healthy or not.
They're dogs, not David Suzuki. People have to stop believing this "Sick and the weak" fallacy.

Lots of yote kills near the bottom of the connector, deer fence from Peachland to Summerland and inside fenced orchards and vineyards that have holes in the fence where both the deer and yotes can get in.

Throw in a big pack of yotes and a fence and you will have dead deer.

Snow is getting crusty and deep which will make things worse.

SSS