Be careful out there!

[jjpaulis]

A good friend of mine just messaged me and told me that a very experienced hunter friend of his was out in region 8 and ended up getting corraled by a pack of timber wolves. Thankfully he managed to make it back to his vehicle and back home safe but he said he's never seen the wolves that agressive.Be safe out there guys!

[scoutlt1]

A good friend of mine just messaged me and told me that a very experienced hunter friend of his was out in region 8 and ended up getting corraled by a pack of timber wolves. Thankfully he managed to make it back to his vehicle and back home safe but he said he's never seen the wolves that agressive.Be safe out there guys!

Assuming his "very experienced hunter friend" was out hunting, why did he not shoot them?

[springpin]

And this was in which region?

[Darksith]

seriously? never even heard of a wolf attacking people, definitely skeptical. The mind can do funny things to a person

[jessonml]

What part of region 8? We had some wolves come in very close on our tracks in 8-5.

[604redneck]

u can feel free to pm me a general area and i will go look for them :)

[Mulehahn]

Not the first time I have heard of this. I know someone who had a pack of wolves follow him in the bush without showing themselves but they never actually acted aggressivley. Just sort of provided a noisy escort to get the hell out. And no he was not going to fire blindly into the bush. But he was terrified. He went back a few days later with some more people but the pack had moved on. We just need to put some fear (and lead) into them.

[bugler]

I'd like to know more. Does "corralled" mean the wolves were howling all around or were they actually close enough to see. If he could see them why aren't there a few dead ones.

I think there has been one case of wolves attacking people in North America since European settlement began. One. And the authorities could only say that it was likely, not absolutely sure, that the wolves killed the guy. I ain't saying it didn't happen but I'm definitely skeptical.

[skid]

A friend and I had a pack of wolves escort us back to camp in 2011 moose bow season in region 6-8, we seen one nice black wolf at dusk at about 50-60 yards and could hear a few in the bush, when we got back to camp there was 3 groups of them around our camp but they never did nothing but howl and bark/growl from back in the bush, we only had the bows out on the hunt so getting a shot on the black wolf that crossed our paths was not gonna happen. But i will say it was an eerie feeling to be followed out.

[bowhunterbruce]

for those guys in region 8, you should post up the exact location so they can be eliminated.
i have talked to a trapper buddy in the east koots who had them in so close nipping at his feet that he was able to accually kick a couple of them. he was just out hiking that day and didn't have a gun. looking into his eyes there was no way he was bs-ing as he told us about it.
so they will attack, weather or not they would eat ya is another story.
bhb

[finngun]

I'd like to know more. Does "corralled" mean the wolves were howling all around or were they actually close enough to see. If he could see them why aren't there a few dead ones.

I think there has been one case of wolves attacking people in North America since European settlement began. One. And the authorities could only say that it was likely, not absolutely sure, that the wolves killed the guy. I ain't saying it didn't happen but I'm definitely skeptical.

Ontario man killed in wolf attack, coroner's jury finds

First documented case in North America of a healthy wolf killing a human in the wild

THERE WAS WOLF ATTACT IN BC TOO ,BUT DIDN'T KILLED A MAN ONLY WOUNDED HIM..

[Fella]

You can bet that back in the day when this continent was being settled by Europeans that more than 1 mountain man/trapper/explorer was done in by wolves. Especially in cases of hard winters when game was scarce. Wolves are opportunists.

[Glenny]

Revisit this thread on wolf attacks.

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?81211-Wolf-attacks-on-humans&highlight=wolf+attack

[Gateholio]

There have been a few reported cases of wolf attacks in Canada, and who knows how many went undocumented in years past. I've also heard stories about wolf packs that have circled people and howled at them, but didn't attack. I think your buddy should have started shooting, too. :)

[gerrygoat]

Some former neighbors of mine had it happen to them being surrounded like that and they found it really spooky. I know I wouldn't trust a wolf but in that case I would have been taking out as many as I could before that happened anyway :)

[Glenny]

So much for the tough guys that only take one bullet with them cause they "only need one" :razz:

[st99]

After I killed one from a pack last winter, they came back and surrounded me. For over 15 minutes they were about 50 yds in the bush barking and howling until I started walking toward them barking at them. They left, but I could still here them in the distance barking and howling for a while. I had my finger on the trigger, safety off, and hopped to shoot at least another one, but the bush was too thick.

[Gr8 white hunter]

How many did he kill, wound, act.

[Gunner]

I'd like to know more. Does "corralled" mean the wolves were howling all around or were they actually close enough to see. If he could see them why aren't there a few dead ones.

I think there has been one case of wolves attacking people in North America since European settlement began. One. And the authorities could only say that it was likely, not absolutely sure, that the wolves killed the guy. I ain't saying it didn't happen but I'm definitely skeptical.There are 3 documented cases of wolves killing humans in NA in the last few years,and other possible cases.In my own opinion these have been caused by habituated wolves that have become used to having humans around without consequences.All three victims were unarmed.Wolves are opportunistic predators and will test prey before attacking,you see this often with moose and bison.In days past wolves that showed themselves to humans got a quick bullet.Now the woods are full of unarmed temptations tree planters,geologists,hikers and so forth.After enough human contact without any repercussions and enough testing of the prey item they MAY decide to attack.They have become inured to humans and do not have the same respect or fear they have had for generations.I believe that more attacks will occur,and that the best solution is shoot on sight to reemphasise the idea that humans are dangerous to approach and not worth the risk.They aren't stupid! Gunner

[Gr8 white hunter]

How many did he wound,kill,ect.

[Big Lew]

I've had wolves quite close on 2 sides, but I wouldn't say or know if they were actually surrounding me. They were noisy, whining and uttering short yelps at times, but as I was in a canoe on a small lake (more of a beaver pond), I didn't feel threatened. I've also had them as close as 30 yards away at the edge of my camp just silently watching me. If I were to let my imagination take control, I could see where someone would think they were being surrounded and/or stalked. Having said that though, I haven't any faith in what David Suzuki says at all because I've personally witnessed things and events that he said don't happen. There are several very experienced outdoors travelers throughout the north that have been attacked and have lived to tell the tale. Some had their stories backed up by others viewing the evidence. (Albert Faille comes to mind)

[Jagermeister]

"a very experienced hunter friend of his" would have told his friend of a friend how many wolves he had stroked while they were circling him. A very experienced hunter does not let an opportunity like that go by without stroking as many as he could before they dispersed. I know that this experienced hunter would have tried to stroke some.

[Marlin375]

Where in region 8?.........no need to keep this info a secret. We all want them eliminated.

[Big Lew]

There are 3 documented cases of wolves killing humans in NA in the last few years,and other possible cases.In my own opinion these have been caused by habituated wolves that have become used to having humans around without consequences.All three victims were unarmed.Wolves are opportunistic predators and will test prey before attacking,you see this often with moose and bison.In days past wolves that showed themselves to humans got a quick bullet.Now the woods are full of unarmed temptations tree planters,geologists,hikers and so forth.After enough human contact without any repercussions and enough testing of the prey item they MAY decide to attack.They have become inured to humans and do not have the same respect or fear they have had for generations.I believe that more attacks will occur,and that the best solution is shoot on sight to reemphasise the idea that humans are dangerous to approach and not worth the risk.They aren't stupid! Gunner

I agree, most members of the dog family are fairly intelligent and learn quickly to avoid danger. You only have to look at coyotes that live near or in urban environments. They know humans aren't normally a threat, so become quite brazen, often boldly trying to take food or pets right from a human, and actually nipping or attacking humans.

[BigfishCanada]

Last year I had some surround me near my cabins, very close in fact, I think they wanted a deer over me though. I didn't shoot cause it was dark and didn't realize what was happening until it was too late, I also couldn't get a shot where I felt safe on what /who was behind my target.

[Bc Deer Hunter]

Last year I had some surround me near my cabins, very close in fact, I think they wanted a deer over me though. I didn't shoot cause it was dark and didn't realize what was happening until it was too late, I also couldn't get a shot where I felt safe on what /who was behind my target.
Crazy how close the will get to cabins ect when hungry!! Glad ya made it out Ok.

[YAMMY-CA]

So what was he smokin?? Too many Little Red Riding Hood stories out there-please show me one documented event of wolves killing a man or for that matter attacking-EVIDENCE PLEASE

[lovemywinchester]

Did you read the thread before you posted?

[Gateholio]

So what was he smokin?? Too many Little Red Riding Hood stories out there-please show me one documented event of wolves killing a man or for that matter attacking-EVIDENCE PLEASE

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?47901-Killed-by-Wolf-Pack-Wolves-Being-Hunted&highlight=wolf+attacks

[proguide66]

Some people have all the damned luck ! Sadly , usually the ones that dont know what to do with it to !:-P

[mbway]

this has happened to a buddy of mine on a pipeline this year. pack of wolves attacked him . He shot two. around dawson creek

[vortex hunter]

"a very experienced hunter friend of his" would have told his friend of a friend how many wolves he had stroked while they were circling him. A very experienced hunter does not let an opportunity like that go by without stroking as many as he could before they dispersed. I know that this experienced hunter would have tried to stroke some.

I SMELL BS allso If I was there I would be shooting everyone I could .. Buddys full of it

[phoenix]

I keep hoping they will try to surround the dogs and myself as we are out for our walks. I always carry my shorty ss shotgun at the very least. Come on wolves, I have NO problem shooting you.
Kim

[Rubberfist]

According to teh inter-nets...

Since 1900 there have been four documented fatalities owing to attacks by wild wolves, in North America.

Also since 1900, there have been four documented fatalities owing to attacks by wolves kept as pets or in captivity, in North America.

Worldwide, there have been close to 350 fatalities owing to "wolf" attacks, since 1900. The majority have occured in India and eastern Europe.

By far the best account that I read was this one...and wouldn't you know he was Canadian:

Ben Ochrum - 1922 - Manitoba resident - 100% badass:

North of Fisher river on Lake Winnipeg.
The victim's bones were found among the remains of 11 wolves. Seven had been shot and four had been clubbed to death. Only after his rifle stock was smashed did the trapper apparently cease to fight and succumb to the wolf pack.

Talk about going-out like a Viking!

[RiverOtter]

The book "Crazy Man's Creek" has a few accounts of wolves surrounding trappers as well.

It may be a rare occurance, but as the wolf pops continue to increase in the northern US and Canada/Yukon, this kinda stuff is only gonna get more common.

[RiverOtter]

Ben Ochrum - 1922 - Manitoba resident - 100% badass:

North of Fisher river on Lake Winnipeg.
The victim's bones were found among the remains of 11 wolves. Seven had been shot and four had been clubbed to death. Only after his rifle stock was smashed did the trapper apparently cease to fight and succumb to the wolf pack.

Kinda make a guy wonder just how big that pack was. I believe I read one account of a pack that number 75'ish.

Even Farley Mowat woulda shit his pants, if surrounded by 75+ wolves.............:mrgreen:

[REMINGTON JIM]

Kinda make a guy wonder just how big that pack was. I believe I read one account of a pack that number 75'ish.

Even Farley Mowat woulda shit his pants, if surrounded by 75+ wolves.............:mrgreen:


LMAO ! thats too FUNNY ! :-D RJ

[REMINGTON JIM]

Some former neighbors of mine had it happen to them being surrounded like that and they found it really spooky. I know I wouldn't trust a wolf but in that case I would have been taking out as many as I could before that happened anyway :)

X2 Bang - Bang - Bang thats the way to deal with that situation ! :) RJ

[bigredchev]

im a firm believer they shut put a 25 dollar bounty on wolves for one year and see what the effects would be. I'd love to have more time to hunt, deer or moose take priority over predator cullings.

[anglo-saxon]

shut put. ??????:-?

There have been a few over the years: http://www.aws.vcn.com/wolf_attacks_on_humans.html And these are just some of the ones people have reported.

One man's "surrounded" is another man's "Oh, there's some wolves about". Experience and intestinal fortitude can make situations look a whole lot different from person to person.

[2tins]

Start shoot'n!

[sarnold]

Where in 8???!!!

[BRvalley]

I've had 2 wolf "encounters," handful of sightings but only 2 encounters

3-32 ice fishing, 2 years ago...2 wolves on the edge of the lake, clearly looking at me, seemed more curious than predatory behaviour but they hung around all afternoon

7-32, about 3 weeks ago...out hunting/hiking with my pup, 12 week old lab....he kept looking back and went from investigating every leaf and twig to staying right on my feet...figure it was a coyote as we have them around the house and he has learned fast they are trouble....i kept checking back and not seeing anything for about 20-30 mins...then i looked back and there is a skinny, ugly black wolf, seriously skinny...worse than any other wolf i've seen, split second and in the woods....put the dog on the leash and kept going...checked back again and he's less than 100 yds, didn't range him, shouldered my rifle and he started running for the tree line...i hit him, seemed like it was fairly far back, knocked him off balance and he got up and ran for the trees, not a sprint though, could tell i hit him

put the dog in the truck and tried to find him...found a bit of blood and yellowish stuff in the snow, not a very large trail...gave it about an horu and gave up on him

i got a spike moose in the same area, about 3 km's away...i checked back on the gut pile the enxt day and there was big tracks everywhere.....checked up again the following week and saw a lone wolf, big white/grey one take off

i've heard them howling often past 2 months....as of dec 1 it's ice fishing and predator season...can't wait

[IHUNTBC]

For those that mock this post, I too was once approached by a pack of wolves in region 5, Yes they do corral you into a corner, I shot one and it dissapeared into the buxh nver to be seen again, The others took of after that but they soon returned, Some more rifle shots at them sent them off again, There seem to be more wolves around now than for many years,,,,,,,,,keep your rifles loaded ...........

[Deer_Slayer]

I never believe the theory wolves never attack people just as Orcas never attack humans. I believe these critters will gladly kill you if they want and have no troubles gobbling you up real fast. Maybe wolves just never leave anything to be found....think about it. I'm sure many a hunter who vanished without a trace or a hiker could very well have been taken down by wolves and consumed within a few hours. Shoot em when you see em.

[igojuone]

Assuming his "very experienced hunter friend" was out hunting, why did he not shoot them?

Some guys only carry few rounds with them hunting cause they only need 1 shot. I carry as close to a dozen cause you never know whats out there. Hate to be in that situation and only have 3 shells.

[igojuone]

Maybe you should tell this to Taylor Mitchell's parents. She was killed by one on Cape Briton Isl, Nova Scotia.

Coyotes, the same only smaller.

http://www.taylormitchell.ca

[heyblast]

51 replies to this post and the author has commented once.?????

[uraarchr]

"Chootem".More and more wolf tracks and kills Reg 8 and 3.

[gcreek]

Those of you that call yourselves hunters and won't shoot a wolf or coyote in order to save a little meat for yourselves, your children and your fellow hunters should stay within city limits and change to a tofu diet.

Maybe you already belong to Greenpeace and PETA.

[meesemoot]

51 replies to this post and the author has commented once.?????

And only a vague description of what happened, to boot. Not to minimalize the seriousness of the problem, though. I'm surprised to see how many guys here brush wolves off as harmless to humans. I view them as the top predator.

[jjpaulis]

I'm not sure the full details it could have been a overreaction,I'm trying to get the full story but haven't had a reply yet

[REMINGTON JIM]

Those of you that call yourselves hunters and won't shoot a wolf or coyote in order to save a little meat for yourselves, your children and your fellow hunters should stay within city limits and change to a tofu diet.

Maybe you already belong to Greenpeace and PETA.


X2 Pal ! RJ

[22ruger]

I was hunting with my son in region 8 at first light heard a pack making lots of talk ,figured pack to be quite large,not unnerving had guns and always carry lots of ammo.Was it off the 201 area?

[Sofa King]

And only a vague description of what happened, to boot. Not to minimalize the seriousness of the problem, though. I'm surprised to see how many guys here brush wolves off as harmless to humans. I view them as the top predator.

you think they are the top predator of humans??
that's hilarious.
sharks blow them out of the water, even crocs and alligators.
shit, i bet more people have died from bee-stings.

[Sofa King]

Those of you that call yourselves hunters and won't shoot a wolf or coyote in order to save a little meat for yourselves, your children and your fellow hunters should stay within city limits and change to a tofu diet.

Maybe you already belong to Greenpeace and PETA.

get real.
some of us only kill what we use.
wolves and coyotes killing and eating deer and moose is 100% natural.
humans are responsible for way more senseless killing of game.

[Cpl_Punishment]

Here is a good one from 2007 too:

Port Moody kayaker fights off starving, predatory wolf

A kayaker's life-and-death struggle with a hungry wolf on B.C.'s remote north coast -- the second wolf attack in the province in seven years, and the first thought to involve predatory intent -- has prompted a conservation officer to warn against taking wolf encounters too lightly.

By The Vancouver Sun August 1, 2007



A kayaker's life-and-death struggle with a hungry wolf on B.C.'s remote north coast -- the second wolf attack in the province in seven years, and the first thought to involve predatory intent -- has prompted a conservation officer to warn against taking wolf encounters too lightly.

"This was a predatory wolf attack," conservation officer James Zucchelli confirmed in an interview from his Bella Coola Valley office. "That fellow was perceived as a prey source. He was attacked with intent to eat. The wolf saw him and took off running at him."

Zucchelli cautioned against public alarm since such incidents are extremely rare, adding he's not heard of another predatory attack during his eight years as a conservation officer.

But he said the attack reinforces the fact that wolves are predators and capable of attacking humans under certain circumstances, including when they are desperate for food.

The fit, 31-year-old Port Moody kayaker was setting up his tent on a beach at 4 p.m. in the Anderson Islands off northwest Aristazabal Island, a straight-line distance of about 125 km north of Bella Bella, when an old female wolf emerged from the bushes and attacked, Zucchelli said.

The kayaker fought with the wolf for a few long minutes, suffering bites to his leg and hands as he attempted to pry its jaws apart and put it in a headlock.

He eventually dragged himself and the wolf several metres down the beach to his kayak, removed a 10-cm knife from his life jacket, and repeatedly stabbed the animal.

"He proceeds to start filling this thing with holes in the neck and chest area," Zucchelli said. "The wolf gives up, gurgling and bleeding, and wanders off into the trees."

Unable to paddle due to his hand injuries, the kayaker called for help on his marine radio.

Employees from the floating King Salmon Resort at Borrowman Bay, about seven km to the southeast, arrived to remove him and his gear from the island and locate the dying wolf in the nearby bushes, killing it with a shotgun blast to the head.

The Canadian Coast Guard vessel Tanu took the kayaker to hospital in Bella Bella, where he was treated and released. Zucchelli returned to the island and spotted a lone wolf on the shoreline that circled the area of the attack and then disappeared into the bush.

Subsequent tests on the dead wolf showed it did not have rabies, but was emaciated at just 25 kg. A healthy female wolf should weigh closer to 40 kg. The stomach contents included the jaw of a river otter, a feather, and bones from a rat fish scavenged from the beach.

"There was nothing good in [the wolf's] stomach -- shrapnel off the beach," Zucchelli said.

A man was severely bitten by a wolf in 2000 while sleeping outdoors in his sleeping bag at Vargas Island in Clayoquot Sound. He received more than 50 stitches to his scalp. Two young wolves who had a history of being fed by humans were killed.

That doesn't appear to be the case in this latest incident, which occurred July 5 but is only now coming to light. "There was no indication of any feeding or garbage, that anything had been placed on a regular basis on that little patch of beach to suggest a wolf attractant," Zucchelli said.

"This wasn't a beach used on a regular basis. There was no fire pit. There is no evidence these wolves had been fed by humans, period. There was nothing."

Zucchelli still plans to conduct follow-up talks with north coast fishing lodges to reinforce the importance of not feeding wild animals.

The kayaker, who was on a four-week solo trip from southeast Alaska to northern Vancouver Island, asked not to be identified or interviewed, saying he doesn't need the publicity and is concerned that news of the rare incident will only give wolves a bad image.

The Ministry of Environment estimates there is a stable or growing population of 8,000 wolves in the province.

A 2002 study by Mark McNay of the Alaska department of fish and game documented 80 cases in which wolves showed little fear of humans in Alaska and Canada over the past century.

His study documented 39 cases of aggression from healthy wolves (six involving humans with dogs), 12 of known or suspected rabies, and 29 cases of fearless but non-aggressive behaviour. Aggressive non-rabid wolves bit people in 16 cases, six of them severe. He could find no evidence of wolves having killed people.

McNay's report estimates there are 52,000 to 60,000 wolves in Canada and 7,000 to 10,000 in Alaska.

lpynn@png.canwest.com

[Mishka]

Those of you that call yourselves hunters and won't shoot a wolf or coyote in order to save a little meat for yourselves, your children and your fellow hunters should stay within city limits and change to a tofu diet.

Maybe you already belong to Greenpeace and PETA.


Look man, I'll speak for myself here. I'm not there yet and I may never be there. But that does not make me any less of a hunter. Your comments are just another way to deepen the divisions in the hunting community. Attitudes like that from within our community can do more damage than any anti. Reading that just pissed me off...

[HIGHRPM]

Hell, back in the prairies one time , I was out for whitetail by myself and was stocked and followed by a very noisey group of coyotes. If they do it I am very sure a hungry pack of wolves would. We may not be their first choice but, they are pack hunters and food is food. I would never ignore such an event, thanks for the notice !

[gcreek]

Look man, I'll speak for myself here. I'm not there yet and I may never be there. But that does not make me any less of a hunter. Your comments are just another way to deepen the divisions in the hunting community. Attitudes like that from within our community can do more damage than any anti. Reading that just pissed me off...

It was meant to do that. Hunters in general are already concerned about reduced opportunity for moose etc. Reducing predator populations is one way to alleviate that.

Do you utilize every insect and mouse you kill?

[Mishka]

It was meant to do that. Hunters in general are already concerned about reduced opportunity for moose etc. Reducing predator populations is one way to alleviate that.

Do you utilize every insect and mouse you kill?

I totally agree with that and I didn't say anything about utilization. If I saw wolves while out in the bush I would be the first to post to inform others. If I was harassed by wolves/coyotes I would shoot to kill. But just because I'm not ready to target them directly does not mean I should be sticking to city limits and I'm on PETA's side. I find that extremely offensive. It's all about education not insults.

[Weatherby Fan]

Look man, I'll speak for myself here. I'm not there yet and I may never be there. But that does not make me any less of a hunter. Your comments are just another way to deepen the divisions in the hunting community. Attitudes like that from within our community can do more damage than any anti. Reading that just pissed me off...

Mishka
Im sure if you walked a mile in gcreeks shoes you would understand where he's coming from
WF

[Mishka]

Mishka
Im sure if you walked a mile in gcreeks shoes you would understand where he's coming from
WF


Perhaps, but insults are not the way to encourage hunters and to strength our community.

[Philcott]

Don't let a few words on the interned stir you into a frenzy. Are you really deeply and personally offended by some off the cuff words that were not even targeted at you? I hope not.

When a man comes into close contact on a regular basis and his livelihood is regularly attacked by wolves such as GCreek does he will tend to have a strong opinion about the animals.

[phoenix]

I just got back from my morning stroll with the dogs and we came across 2 sets of wolf tracks about 150yds behind the house. As soon as I get my housework done I am going to head up and see if they like "fawn distress" calls from the FoxPro:mrgreen:
Kim
Also I would like to say that I tend to agree with Mishka, gcreeks' comments were totally uncalled for. If he doesn't want to kill coyotes and wolves that is his call and is not a reason to insult him or anyone else with the same feelings.

[Sofa King]

It was meant to do that. Hunters in general are already concerned about reduced opportunity for moose etc. Reducing predator populations is one way to alleviate that.

Do you utilize every insect and mouse you kill?

if the wolves/coyotes are taking livestock, then that's a whole other story.
but they are just doing as they have always done through time when they are killing deer and moose.
who are we to think that they should be eradicated just so there is a better chance for us to then go and kill that same animal.
boy, some people really hate competition.

[6616]

if the wolves/coyotes are taking livestock, then that's a whole other story.
but they are just doing as they have always done through time when they are killing deer and moose.
who are we to think that they should be eradicated just so there is a better chance for us to then go and kill that same animal.
boy, some people really hate competition.

I don't recall anyone ever saying anything about eradication.
The prey-predator relationship is out of balance. To maintain a proper balance, predators must be managed (and harvested) as well as prey.
I think that's all anyone was saying...!

[The Dude]

I hope some folks from here don't draw a Moose tag in Region 5 and start whining when they can't find anything......
I, for one, will have no sympathy.

[kgriz]

Just got told by a fellow worker that they got "escorted" from the bush near Ft. Nelson by a pack of wolves...they followed her within sight but didn't "do" anything else....I'm sure it was of little comfort to her at the time with no weapon that it is "unlikely" for something to happen.....I'd love to see some of the keyboard toughguys experience this with such conviction of safety:mrgreen:

[Big Lew]

Personally, I hate wolves, and because of the seemingly growing population of them, I'll not hesitate to 'pop' them....unfortunately, most of the wolves I've seen to date have been outside of hunting season when I'm not carrying a weapon, or just too far away. Might start carrying one more often.

[Sofa King]

I don't recall anyone ever saying anything about eradication.
The prey-predator relationship is out of balance. To maintain a proper balance, predators must be managed (and harvested) as well as prey.
I think that's all anyone was saying...!

actually that's exactly what gets implied on here.
it's always said by many to "kill every one you see".
and that thought is even applied to the whitetail populations in some areas.

can you prove that the prey/predator relationship is out of balance?
no you can't.
and even if it is, it always works itself out.
man's interference in nature has "always" been detrimental, not beneficial.

[Philcott]

man's interference in nature has "always" been detrimental, not beneficial.

Man has always been a part of nature and for the most part has been the top predator. Are men not just doing what they have always done?

Not everyone has to shoot wolves and though I have been hunting the forests of BC for 30 years have never come across one to shoot. Would I if I see one? I don't know. Maybe. Maybe not. It would depend on the situation I was in. If I felt threatened I would shoot without a second thought. If I wasn't felling threatened and I let the wolf walk I would not feel insulted by GCreek's comments. They are words that were typed at no one specific from the hands of a frustrated rancher. Why let it bother you?

[meesemoot]

you think they are the top predator of humans??
that's hilarious.
sharks blow them out of the water, even crocs and alligators.
shit, i bet more people have died from bee-stings.

I never said that. Get a grip, man!

[panhead]

Met a fella that delivers propane all the way from Willies Puddle to Bella Coma. Said he ran into a pack of wolves north of Alexis Creek and he figgered there were 40 wolves in one pack.
That's a lot of game gone right there.
Wolves are fun to shoot, just to bad they are so hard to get ...

[Spy]

[QUOTE=duallie;1235268]actually that's exactly what gets implied on here.
it's always said by many to "kill every one you see".
and that thought is even applied to the whitetail populations in some areas.

can you prove that the prey/predator relationship is out of balance?
no you can't.
Yes he can & so can anyone else that has spent enough time on HBC ! Maybe you should spend more time reading previous threads , less time posturing for an argument, which seems to be par for the course with you !

[Stone Sheep Steve]

actually that's exactly what gets implied on here.
it's always said by many to "kill every one you see".
and that thought is even applied to the whitetail populations in some areas.

can you prove that the prey/predator relationship is out of balance?
no you can't.
and even if it is, it always works itself out.
man's interference in nature has "always" been detrimental, not beneficial.

In some areas of the Columbia moose pops have been knocked back by 80% in the last few yrs. Sound "out of balance"?

Now, we always seem to lack serious funding in BC to stay on top of wildlife managment...but here's some info out of Montana where they have some serious funding.
http://www.lifewithwolves.org/home/?p=12509
MISSOULA- Saying Montana wildlife populations are “out of whack”, state game managers hope a more “aggressive” wolf hunting season will help to prevent a “crash” in deer and elk populations.
During a candid discussion with people in Missoula on Tuesday night Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks explained why they are in such a hurry to get control of the situation.
Biologists say they’re seeing all the indications of a coming “crash” in deer and elk populations, especially in Western Montana, brought on by a rebound in predators. And they believe the re-introduction of wolves has pushed that balance past the “tipping point.”
During an informational meeting in Missoula, FWP staff explained the ratios of wolves to elk have been shifting rapidly in favor of wolves. While the Bitterroot Valley gets most of the attention, they say there’s actually areas where the decline in ungulate populations is even more extreme, with entire herds close to extinction"

Lots of other examples out there if you open your eyes. Just ask the FN and ranchers in the Chilcotin.

SSS

[log_roller]

All the more reason to lobby for being able to pack a side arm in the bush , iv had some close calls with wildlife in the past all of them when i wasnt expecting it and not packing a rifle.

[6616]

actually that's exactly what gets implied on here.
it's always said by many to "kill every one you see".
and that thought is even applied to the whitetail populations in some areas.

can you prove that the prey/predator relationship is out of balance?
no you can't.
and even if it is, it always works itself out.
man's interference in nature has "always" been detrimental, not beneficial.

You want proof, what more proof do you need....?

And, yes it will work itself out, but it will take many years which is socially unacceptable from both hunters and cattleman's point of view.

Man is part of nature, and with logging, backcountry recreation, cattle ranching, and all the other human activities, mans impact on natural balance is undeniable,,,, that's why it's also mans resposibility to make the required corrections, intervene, balance things out as best he can,,,, etc.

[Tenacious Billy]

I've been surrounded by wolves while out calling/hunting moose on more than one occasion.

One time, we managed to kill a good sized dog. On another occasion, after having circled us, I would guess it was our scent that put them off. Prior to, and after, them winding us the wolves were quite vocal back and forth throughout the timber......creepy feeling.

I've heard of it happening to other hunters as well......

[bc mike]

I know that "creepy feeling". Some on here ask "why didn't the op's friend just shoot them?" It isn't that easy. I didn't see them all around me. I definately heard them for some time as they moved around the bush!!!! They seemed to keep calling in backup. I thought of what a moose must feel like as the hair on my neck stood up. I think this is how they get their prey running because they are very intimidating in large numbers.

[Phreddy]

Other than humans, wolves are the only animal that will kill for sport. The mess they left on the north end of Vancouver Island in the late 70's/early '80s was a prime example of that for those of us who had doubts at the time.

[GoatGuy]

http://www.vancouversun.com/mobile/news/world-news/Local+hero+56year+woman+Russias+North+Caucasus+axe s+wolf+attacked/7539073/story.html

Local hero: 56-year old woman in Russia's North Caucasus axes wolf who attacked her and lives

[Mulehahn]

Wolves are an apex predator. They have to be. If I eat tag soup I can complain all I want but at the end of the day I can by a cow. If a wolf isn't successful they starve. With all the new logging roads created and snow mobile and cross country ski trails created wolves have an easier time then ever to find and kill prey. Take into account what we harvest, fn harvest and what is killed on the highways nature is totally out of balance. And yes, over the next decade it will sort itself out (first with the prey populations crashing followed by the wolves starving to death or turniing more to cattle). How is this beneficial to anyone, including the wolves? If wolves are beggining to harrass people it is only out of one of two things, competition or predation. Either way this is a sign that there are two many wolves. If you do not want to shoot a wolf, fine. But don't oppose those who do and don't complain when all you find in your favorite area is dog scat and tracks.

[Big Lew]

Other than humans, wolves are the only animal that will kill for sport. The mess they left on the north end of Vancouver Island in the late 70's/early '80s was a prime example of that for those of us who had doubts at the time.

I agree, but I'll add domestic dogs as well. I've seen pictures of the carnage of a wolf pack killing frenzy on moose herds. I've also seen a whole band of domestic sheep killed by domestic dogs that were only interested in chasing and killing. Not one sheep was even partially consumed.

[d6dan]

They were confermed wolves not coyotes. Watch the national geographic episode on it and stop beleiving what the tree hugger David Suzuki has to say about it. I'am also from Nova Scotia and know a few trappers back there. Wow they have trapped some 80lb wolves. Anything that davide suzuki writes isn't even worth wiping your ass with.

No, they were coyotes..Eastern coyotes to be exact.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/28/taylor-mitchell-singerson_n_337836.html

[jjpaulis]

Sorry for the lack of info on where this took place; this is the original message that I received.

(there is a timber wolf pack in the Okanagan and hunters are coming home empty handed. A friend of our's dad saw them, was being corraled by them, took a shot at one and made it back to his truck. He is a very experienced hunter so we trust his word it wasn't just a couple coyotes.)

that's all I had to go on so I think you can understand why I was not very specific. Myself being a fairly new hunter I just thought people should know, I've never heard of anyone that I know around here ever even seeing wolves so it was kind of a suprise to me. If I'm able to find out any more specifics on where it happened or how many wolves I'll post them.

[trapperRick]

Four Wolves Suspected in Man’s Death in Remote Area of CanadaAn apparent wolf attack has been determined as the cause of death for 22-year-old Kenton Joel Carnegie, whose body was found on Tuesday, November 8, at Points North Landing near Wollaston Lake in the Canadian province of Saskatchewan, about 450 kilometers northeast of La Ronge. The main theory in this case is that Carnegie was attacked by a pack of four wolves seen in the area for some time that were showing signs of losing their natural fear of humans (an indication of habituation to humans), according to Saskatchewan Environment and Resource Management (SERM) wolf biologist Tim Trottier, who is investigating the case. There is also evidence that Carnegie and others had recently been interacting with the wolves at close range. Canadian wolf biologist Dr. Paul Paquet has also been investigating the incident and says that evidence points to approximately four wolves, based on blood and tracks present in the area. Investigating conservation officers, given permission to kill any wolves suspected in the incident, have killed two wolves from the area. Dr. Paquet’s examination of the animals showed cloth, hair and flesh in the large intestine that resembled human remains and are being tested for human origin. Paquet said that the wolves suspected of attacking Carnegie probably had prior human contact and that the attack was likely spurred by the animals’ interest in discarded food or garbage. “I suspect that ultimately we will find that these are garbage-habituated wolves that are either being inadvertently fed or intentionally fed in the area,” he said. “That is the common thread to most wolf attacks that I’ve investigated.” If wolves are proven to have killed Carnegie, it will be the first documented case of healthy, wild wolves killing a human in North America. Does this mean that all wolves should be considered a serious threat to humans living in or visiting wolf country? Not necessarily. Wolves and other wild animals have always been unpredictable. Bears, mountain lions, bison, moose and even domestic pets have been known to present a serious threat to people under certain circumstances. The danger may lie more in how we as humans behave in the presence of a wild animal and not the other way around. Tens of millions of human visitor days have been logged in wolf country without wolf attacks. Like other wild and domestic animals, wolves are responsive to the actions of humans. Humans have a remarkable ability to influence and shape animal behavior, whether that involves a black bear harassing campers for food after being fed by an eager photographer, a raccoon rummaging through your trash can when the lid is not secured, or a chickadee feeding contently at a backyard feeder while you watch through your kitchen window. Our actions have the potential to cause immediate and sometimes dangerous behavioral changes in wildlife. Wolves are probably no different from a chickadee in how susceptible they are to habituation. By avoiding contact with wildlife or providing negative stimulus in the presence of a bold animal (yelling, banging pots and pans, throwing sticks), also known as aversive conditioning, we may be able to avoid habituating animals to us. Could this regrettable event have been prevented with appropriate waste disposal and aversive conditioning by those encountering wolves? We cannot know; we can simply be aware of the potential danger of habituating wild animals to us and take action against it in the future.

[trapperRick]

Teacher mauled to Death By Wolves

A teacher jogging along a rural Alaskan road was killed in an animal attack and authorities say wolves are the chief suspects.
The body of Candice Berner, 32, was found Monday off the road a mile outside the village of Chignik Bay on the Alaska Peninsula, which is about 474 miles southwest of Anchorage.
Authorities said the body had been dragged off the road to the village's lagoon and was surrounded by wolf tracks.
In an autopsy report Thursday, the Alaska State Medical Examiner listed "multiple injuries due to animal mauling" as the cause of death for Berner, a special education teacher originally from Slippery Rock, Pa., who began working in Alaska in August.
The autopsy could not say which animals, said Col. Audie Holloway, head of the Alaska State Troopers, but wolves are the chief suspect.
"There's no other carnivores in that area that are out and active," he said.
Wolves, bears, foxes and other wildlife have disturbed bodies in the Alaska wilderness, but Holloway said the autopsy ruled out other causes that may have killed Berner. Additional tests could tie the death to wolves, Holloway said.
"If we're able to actually prove which animal, it will be through some kind of DNA analysis or through some expert that can maybe testify or explain how they know that it's a wolf," he said.
Troopers have plenty of circumstantial evidence leading them to point the finger at wolves.
"There were wolf tracks all around the body, and drag marks associated with those wolf tracks," Holloway said.
Tracks indicated more than one wolf was involved.
"From the number of prints at the scene, we're thinking there probably were, possibly, two, three, maybe four," Holloway said.
Wolf attacks on humans are rare and there has not been a documented case of a wolf killing a human in Alaska. But concerns over the large predators persist.
In 2007, villagers in the western Eskimo village of Marshall posted sentries at night on the town periphery to keep wolves out after a pack of wolves attacked and killed six sled dogs. A wolf killed by villagers turned out to be rabid.
In Chignik Bay, a community of 105 residents, villagers were already were on alert because of wolves running boldly nearby, said Johnny Lind, president of the village council.
In comments Thursday before the autopsy results were announced, Lind said wolf involvement was apparent.
"It's obvious. Goodness. It's obvious," he said.
Since Tuesday, people were not traveling alone, school children were accompanied to school and armed patrols on snowmobiles were looking for wolves, he said.
"Everybody's kind of staying close to the village," he said.
Multiple calls left for the spokeswoman of the Alaska Department of Fish and Game, Jennifer Yuhas, were not returned Thursday.
Most adult male wolves in Alaska weigh 85 to 115 pounds but they occasionally reach 145 pounds, according to the Department of Fish and Game. Females average 5 to 10 pounds lighter than males and rarely weigh more than 110 pounds. Wolves reach adult size by about 1 year of age, and the largest wolves occur where prey is abundant year round.
Rick Luthi, the Lake and Peninsula School District's chief operating officer, said Berner during her short time in Alaska tried to take in as many experiences as she could. The district distributed a photo of her on a district outing catching crab.
"She wasn't going to miss anything about living in that area," he said.
Under 5 feet tall, Berner had boxed and lately had been training for long-distance running.
"She was a gymnast by early training and was in very good physical condition," Luthi said.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/12/teacher-mauled-death-wolves-alaska/#ixzz2C9JOpsPu

[dogger]

Years ago I was circled by a pack of atleast 8 wolves. I was still kinda new to hunting. I was walking an old semi grown in logging road by a creek when 4 crossed infront of me at about 40 yrds. I then heard them of to my left in the bush very close. A couple started to howl. 2 more stopped in the middle of old road maybe 30 yards. I was freaking! I took a shot at the big black one and hit the dirt in front of him. I think I was shaking too bad. 2 more dashed across and I headed for the truck. Something I will never forget.

[gcreek]

actually that's exactly what gets implied on here.
it's always said by many to "kill every one you see".
and that thought is even applied to the whitetail populations in some areas.

can you prove that the prey/predator relationship is out of balance?
no you can't.
and even if it is, it always works itself out.
man's interference in nature has "always" been detrimental, not beneficial.

If everyone "killed every wolf they saw" there would never be more than 15-20% taken. Wolves are a little smarter than average and once a dumb one or two is taken out of a pack the rest get pretty adept at avoiding humans. Traps will take target packs in the right hands but poison or aerial gunning are the only ways that a real dent in the population could ever be acchieved.

If you feel man's interference with nature is detrimental, why are you hunting at all? You seem to be one of the group that wants to commune with nature, take what you can and not do your part to keep what you have.

[Big Lew]

Without getting caught up in what's right, or what's wrong, I agree with "gcreek"s assertion;

'If everyone "killed every wolf they saw" there would never be more than 15-20% taken. Wolves are a little smarter than average and once a dumb one or two is taken out of a pack the rest get pretty adept at avoiding humans. Traps will take target packs in the right hands but poison or aerial gunning are the only ways that a real dent in the population could ever be achieved.'
I also can remember when the north side of the Fraser Valley between Alouette Lake, Stave Lake, and Thornhill, had a huge problem with Feral dog/wolf/coyote hybrid packs that were taking domestic stock and becoming bold enough to follow and stalk schoolchildren walking to and from school. I saw a pair in the bush watching me on the other side of our fence line. They were tall, slender, and black and brown with very sharp penetrating eyes. They frightened me enough that I can still see them in my mind after over 50 years have gone by.The local Militia and Rangers even were dispatched in an effort to eliminate them. Of course it didn't work, so they dropped strychnine-laced meat out of airplanes. It worked, but they also killed everything else that fed on the poisoned meat, including several family pets.

[Gateholio]

Duallie, you should stop hunting. Clearly, you are worried about human impacts on wildlife, so you should do your part and hang up your gun. Anything else is hypocritical.

[Drillbit]

I agree, but I'll add domestic dogs as well. I've seen pictures of the carnage of a wolf pack killing frenzy on moose herds. I've also seen a whole band of domestic sheep killed by domestic dogs that were only interested in chasing and killing. Not one sheep was even partially consumed.

A weasel or a fox in a chicken coup will kill everything too.

[scoutlt1]

actually that's exactly what gets implied on here.
it's always said by many to "kill every one you see".
and that thought is even applied to the whitetail populations in some areas.

can you prove that the prey/predator relationship is out of balance?
no you can't.
and even if it is, it always works itself out.
man's interference in nature has "always" been detrimental, not beneficial.

You may want to re-read this post a few times the next time you plan on going on a hunt....

[gcreek]

A weasel or a fox in a chicken coup will kill everything too.


I like to kill those little b-tards too.:twisted::-D

[The Dude]

Met a fella that delivers propane all the way from Willies Puddle to Bella Coma. Said he ran into a pack of wolves north of Alexis Creek and he figgered there were 40 wolves in one pack.
That's a lot of game gone right there.
Wolves are fun to shoot, just to bad they are so hard to get ...


Wow, can you get specifics from the guy and PM me locations, etc? Is this guy reliable? (Re: It wasn't a huge pack of Rez dogs, etc)
Thx

[scoutlt1]

Wow, can you get specifics from the guy and PM me locations, etc? Is this guy reliable? (Re: It wasn't a huge pack of Rez dogs, etc)
Thx

No doubt! I'd take a trip up there if I had more specific details....and hell, I live in the stupid LM!!!
I've hunted and fished that part of the world....fire off some info!!!

[Stumpy]

Yip...............truck drivers have always been a good source of real accurate information. That many wolves is good for the local horse population anyways...............

[The Dude]

Duallie....better stick to bears, and leave the tag soup to the Wolves, :D

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?88687-track-soup

[stinkyduck]

i've had wolves follow me in the bush, i could hear them panting. followed me out of the bush, my buddy seen a big white wolf in the clear cut where i came out. didnt want to shoot it, as fear of what wifes mother would say. then they started howling everywhere around us. this year buddy is hunting the same area, pack of wolves killed a calf moose, they take off on the run, bob runs up the hill and nails two. that is close to boneaparte lake. another buddy walking across machette lake, without a gun, has three wolves charge after him, he also eyes more on the surrounding lake shore watching the outcome. he started waving his hands in the air and yelling, and they finally take off. he has seen them there on more than a few occasions. i had another encounter up on the peace river this year where i pulled the trigger on one out of the three that were right by our camp. the dam safety was on. they all ran into the bush. i started cow calling, and they howled at us for 45 mins. there was at least six in that pack. the wolf problem is very real, every where i hunt, there is usally wolf tracks in the snow. one bad thing in the winter is all the snowmachines that leave a nice firm track for the predators to follow, not sinking in the deep snow. i guess i should start packing a pop gun when out sledding from now on. thats how i see it, shoot em up boys!!!!! leave the tree hugging and leaf liking to the antis

[bugler]

Fear of what mother in law would say about it. Really???!!!

[whitetailsheds]

I've been surrounded by wolves while out calling/hunting moose on more than one occasion.

One time, we managed to kill a good sized dog. On another occasion, after having circled us, I would guess it was our scent that put them off. Prior to, and after, them winding us the wolves were quite vocal back and forth throughout the timber......creepy feeling.

I've heard of it happening to other hunters as well......

Yep....I've had my hat trick with them, ALL by calling moose. Each time taking one! The others were quite quick in vacating the area. One I got in a group of 3 in a wide open meadow, and 2 others that were in a pack of 4 at close quarters. Closest being 12 yards. All kinds of fun!!!

[aggiehunter]

beleiving that a wolf has a place in the environment does NOT mean you are a member of peta or greenpeace.....if you believe they should be extirpated then you yourself have no place in the natural world....

[bcbrez]

A buddy came back from 8-15, said they heard and saw sign of wolves everywhere. I think around the Union Mine area.

[vortex hunter]

Lets go wolf hunting boy's should set up a meet and greet and go wolf hunting................

[Gunner]

beleiving that a wolf has a place in the environment does NOT mean you are a member of peta or greenpeace.....if you believe they should be extirpated then you yourself have no place in the natural world....The Americans tried to eliminate them and failed,it can't be done.I haven't seen many people here calling for wolf EXTERMINATION,but lots including myself would like to see some control in specific areas.I wondered if you and I were reading the same thread. Gunner

[yukon john]

Other than humans, wolves are the only animal that will kill for sport. The mess they left on the north end of Vancouver Island in the late 70's/early '80s was a prime example of that for those of us who had doubts at the time.

Really? How bout, orcas, weasels, foxes, mink or coyotes?

[YAMMY-CA]

Lets go wolf hunting boy's should set up a meet and greet and go wolf hunting................

Agree with you if you and the boys have the balls for one on one confrontation-sharpen your teeth and go for it.

[vortex hunter]

Agree with you if you and the boys have the balls for one on one confrontation-sharpen your teeth and go for it.

I would have no Problem dropping a few wolfs . I think my 300 weatherby has some lead for those pesty dogs

[Glenny]

Fear of what mother in law would say about it. Really???!!!

Ah-reee-eee-eeee--eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeely :)

[The Dude]

Roadrunners and many of the raven clan also.....