What is this????

[Gateholio]

This animal killed 2 of our sheep and one goat. The pic is from almost 250 yards away. When I first saw the pic, I thought it was a small bear with long legs, but bears are pretty common here and I was assured it was not a bear, nor did it move like a bear, it moved like a cat. Apparently the shoulder area is much wider than shows in the pic, and the pic makes it look smaller than it is. It also looks a bit wolf like, but there is not much of a tail. The woman that took the pic has seen plenty of yotes, bears and wolves, and she didn't think it was any of those. I'm guessing it is a lynx (not common around here, especially at lower elevations) or a giant effing bobcat.


https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/416925_10151263815135516_1021812724_n.jpg

[ActionJackson017]

Wow, interesting. My first impression is it's a wolf and you just can't see its tail from this picture.. Curious to find out what it really is though.

[Steeleco]

Don't know what it is either, but those eye's make it look spooky!!! Gotta be one of the small cats?

[.330 Dakota]

Either a large Lynx, or a large Coyote with its tail tucked in??

[Gateholio]

The tail was a stub, she saw it walking. Wasn't a long cougar tail or bushy yote tail or wolf tail. I did wonder if it was a cougar that had it's tail run over by a train, though. :)

[lovemywinchester]

Looks like a labradoodle to me, seriously. Mt. Currie wild dog? Cull time for the band maybe.

[monasheemountainman]

i say lynx! cool pic

[BRvalley]

You're in Pemberton?

I saw quite a few bob cat while I was living in the gold bridge area for 2 years, from tyax lake all the way down the hurley....I'd guess a big bob cat or a lynx as you said

found this on youtube, pemberton bobcat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl4SluefpP8

[Steeleco]

Funny, I thought Poodle as my first guess. No tail and long legs???

[skibum]

looks like a zombie poodle

[Mulehahn]

I have seen wolves without tails. But just by looking at the position if the neck it looks like a cat. Only sure way is to shoot it an find out. If its destroying live stock, the sooner the better. I am sure it has attacked other poples.

[MFERGIE]

Looks like a poodle to me too haha, even has a bit of a fro too lol

[The Dawg]

Yup....poodle was my first thought too

[moosinaround]

whatever it is, make it dead!!!!

[BigfishCanada]

its animal from the muppets, gate! setup trail cams, nail some tuna cans with holes into a tree and that cat will be on cam quickly

[cdnshooter13]

Also gonna go with zombie poodle;)

[The Dawg]

Careful, its a Zoodle!!

Watch out for the little old lady with it!


http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/325/f/4/zombie_poodle_by_chicharomagico-d33c78t.jpg

[FirePower]

Looks like a labradoodle to me, seriously. Mt. Currie wild dog? Cull time for the band maybe.

Some kind of a big mutt dog I would say

[Downwind]

Chupacabra, definitely.

[landphil]

If its a wild critter, I would have to say linx, though it does look like a poodle or poodle cross in your picture. No tracks, hair/ fur left in fences, or any other evidence left behind?

[IronNoggin]

Tough to make out in that original picture...
But... Photoshop is your Friend! :mrgreen:

Lightened up the original, and added just a hint of contrast. Did nothing else, so what you see is what you get:

http://gallery.fishbc.com/albums/Ironnoggin/Gate_Unknown.jpg

Have to agree with those that suggested... POODLE! :twisted:

Cheers,
Nog

[Ozone]

Proguide, the morning after halloween.

[srupp]

HMM the proportions of the hind end and the angle of the neck etc strongly suggest a cat..lynx or bobcat imo..

however concurr make it dead...

steven

[Gateholio]

I've just been told quite firmly that it is NOT a dog. :) Sure looks poodle like though. Was also told it is reddish in color.

[BlacktailStalker]

I think it's a toad of a bobcat, like a 40lber. If I wasn't working I'd come run it just to see. Keep feeding it til Thursday :)

ok now I see irons pic, crazy. Maybe its a coy-dog but Whack it first and decide later!

Bottom line, the evidence is on the carcasses, get us pics!

[Pemby_mess]

Definitely looks like a lynx to me, I don't what all these folks are saying it looks like a dog for. No such remblence to me. I've never seen a dogs with eyes glowing green either - usually yellow or red.

Ive seen a few lynx in the pemberton area and know a few people that do see bobcats around. It surprises me that one of these would take down a sheep though - go take a look at its tracks.

[Gateholio]

The pic is from 10 days ago and the carcasses are gone, and we have moved the sheep out anyway, as that pasture was their summer home. They won't be back until next spring. However, the attack clearly came from the throat area, which makes me think it's a cat for sure, and not a dog. There was minimal amounts eaten on each one at first, all around the neck. Looked for scat near the carcases but saw none. Spent some time staking out the carcasses but nothing showed up during daylight other than crows.

Lots of bobcats around here, they are very common, but few would be big enough to take out a full grown sheep and a very aggressive goat, I would think. Unless it is indeed a TOAD of a bobcat! :)

[trapman]

caught a 46 pound bobcat not far from you on the trapline 6 years ago ,it was the biggest male to date

[pete_k]

Lynx or big Bobcat. Only a guess. No big canine tail, short neck and the eyes seem close together. The curved backend is also cat-like.

[ruger#1]

I would also say bobcat. And they can take a deer down. We have had a few in the yard around here also.

[RBooth]

You're in Pemberton?

I saw quite a few bob cat while I was living in the gold bridge area for 2 years, from tyax lake all the way down the hurley....I'd guess a big bob cat or a lynx as you said

found this on youtube, pemberton bobcat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl4SluefpP8

Pause at 1:14 of this video and compare to the picture taken. Also consider that the shoulder area is wider than shown in the pic. I'd say you have a healthy Bobcat that has found an easy source of food!

Feed him a lead/dirt sammy!

[Jack Russell]

Reddish color would indicate more bobcat than lynx? Have seen some local bobcats that are bigger than what I had thought they grow to. An earlier comment about a 46 lb bobcat makes it possible. Didn't realize they were that aggressive to kill a farm animal, although a lamb wouldn't be a stretch.

The cats have such a mystique about them, very intriguing.

[Mr. Dean]

I personally think it to be a Bobber.
I'm not seeing the structure of a Lynx's hind end.

Definately not a puppy of any kind......

Can I get the original file from off the camera (full resolution), emailed to me?

[Big Lew]

Judging from it's posture, as well as having large hindquarters and smallish front end, as well as it's body being relatively short-coupled, I would say a large bob cat. Lynx usually show up lighter in colour in a night photo.

[d6dan]

I personally think it to be a Bobber.
I'm not seeing the structure of a Lynx's hind end.

Definately not a puppy of any kind......

Can I get the original file from off the camera (full resolution), emailed to me?

No bobcat would be able to take down a sheep or goat..:confused:

That right there is a Tasmanian Tiger thought to be extinct :shock:........Go figure....

[BRvalley]

[QUOTE=d6dan;1230158]No bobcat would be able to take down a sheep or goat..:confused: QUOTE]

can't say I've seen many cat kills, I found a fawn 10' up in a tree on 2 separate occasions and in different provinces

but I've seen what a 7lb tabby cat can do...I don't think a large bobcat would have any problem, all it needs is the neck

[beeker]

Looks like a labradoodle to me, seriously. Mt. Currie wild dog? Cull time for the band maybe.

hahaha! that's exactly what i was thinking!

[604redneck]

Lynx no doubt about it

[Ruger4]

bobcat.............

[The Silent Stalker]

It's a trophy bobcat, Gate go get it!

[Mr. Dean]

No bobcat would be able to take down a sheep or goat..:confused:

That right there is a Tasmanian Tiger thought to be extinct :shock:........Go figure....

They do/can prey on deer......... And I have seen some chunky ones in the coastal mountains.

[Sofa King]

i'd say lynx also.
how hard could it be to find tracks from it?

[proguide66]

Its FUGLY! Fugliest bobcat around.....they love to stick their heads through wolf snares.Could snare a 6 pack of bcats in
a week here easy.

[Unclecracka]

My guess is it's a bear. Save the pic and zoom in a bit on your computer.

[Tanya]

I copied the pic and zoomed in. My guess by the ears, stance and posture is that it is a canine, possibly a wolf. The tail if that is what it is appears tucked close to the body.

[d6dan]

They do/can prey on deer......... And I have seen some chunky ones in the coastal mountains.

Naw, I don't believe thats anything close to a Bobcat.. As Tanya says, wolf with his tail tucked. I was face to face with a bobcat this year and my JR could have tuned him up.:wink:

[Gateholio]

There is no real tail, just a stub. Unless it was a dog with a docked tail, it's not a canine. The animal was observed walking before the pic was taken. Ample time to see if it had a tail.

[lovemywinchester]

KILLERS!! Look at these vicious livestock slaughtering mutts.

I just looked at so many poodle pics on google I feel like a daiquiri and a menthol 100.

http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l573/zippogold/labra.jpg

http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l573/zippogold/labra3.jpg

[r106]

I would put money on Bobcat or lynx. Put up some trail cams and bait and solve this mystery

[field marshal]

No doubt about it it's a "Were-Poodle!!!!!:mrgreen:----Cheers---Field Marshal.

[BlacktailStalker]

Another possibility is this thing didn't kill the farm animals, but is present from the ruckus or smell. Cats all go for the same things first, organs. It would be pretty obvious it was a cat because they have to latch on with claws (punctures and/or rake marks) to get a good enough hold to crush the top of the skull, spine or windpipe. Most dogs would nip and bite at the haunches before figuring out how to kill let alone be that efficient?

[Big Lew]

bob cats do take deer...Alf Rylander set up a trail camera at a carcass of a deer that was taken by a cat in the Warner/Sutton area.

http://mlitvaitis.unh.edu/Research/BobcatWeb/GalleryPicts/Rylander.jpg

[field marshal]

Now that I look at it again, looks like my late father-in-laws Bouvier???---Cheers---Field Marshal.

[bosca]

I hate to say it...zombie poodle.
my inlaws have a poodle and ,with the exception of the mouth area, that thing is shaped exactly the same.

How do you know that this was the killer...was he just coming off the kill?

[ryanb]

Given where you live, definitely a good chance it could be a stray from Mt CUrrie.

[d6dan]

Okay.....maybe its a domestic pet (poodle) or other gone rogue?...Its happened before.

[Gateholio]

Another possibility is this thing didn't kill the farm animals, but is present from the ruckus or smell. Cats all go for the same things first, organs. It would be pretty obvious it was a cat because they have to latch on with claws (punctures and/or rake marks) to get a good enough hold to crush the top of the skull, spine or windpipe. Most dogs would nip and bite at the haunches before figuring out how to kill let alone be that efficient?

The first thing I looked for was bite marks on the rear ends, hamstrings, rear of abdomen. Thats how I have always seen wolves and yotes attack deer ad livestock, and there are always yotes around there. But there were no marks there, just around the throat. Then the front of the abdomen was ripped open on one side and some guts and meat eaten. The possibility of rogue dogs certainly occurred to me, especially as very little was eaten from the carcasses initially. But the witnesses said it was not dog like, didn't move like a dog, and had a stubby tail.

[Mr. Dean]

But there were no marks there, just around the throat. Then the front of the abdomen was ripped open on one side and some guts and meat eaten.

That's a classic cat kill.

You know that.... So wuzzup?

[ianwuzhere]

Either a large Lynx, or a large Coyote with its tail tucked in??
x2!............

[d6dan]

The first thing I looked for was bite marks on the rear ends, hamstrings, rear of abdomen. That's how I have always seen wolves and coyotes attack deer ad livestock, and there are always yotes around there. But there were no marks there, just around the throat. Then the front of the abdomen was ripped open on one side and some guts and meat eaten. The possibility of rogue dogs certainly occurred to me, especially as very little was eaten from the carcasses initially. But the witnesses said it was not dog like, didn't move like a dog, and had a stubby tail.


So Gates....were possibly looking at a rogue pet (dog) attacking livestock. Cats generally go for the throat but it has been,noted canines do it also..I'm sticking with a "wild dog".

[WaderGator]

mini zombie llama

[Nimrod]

Looks like a labradoodle to me, seriously. Mt. Currie wild dog? Cull time for the band maybe.

That exactly what I was going to say it looks like.

[riflebuilder]

Definatly a cat, probably a large Bobcat or Lynx. I have seen domestic sheep killed by bobcats in southern AB. My friend lost 5 before we killed the pair of cats.

[*bcgold*]

http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad339/ronb_2010/ronsiphone007.jpg I don't think it's Wile E Coyote because he has been hanging around my work. If you look at this bad photo the gut to chest is curved and on that dark photo looks more straight like a cat.

[gwillim]

mini zombie llama

Beat me to it! that was my first guess.

[Mishka]

Hmmm.... Hyena?

[BlacktailStalker]

The first thing I looked for was bite marks on the rear ends, hamstrings, rear of abdomen. Thats how I have always seen wolves and yotes attack deer ad livestock, and there are always yotes around there. But there were no marks there, just around the throat. Then the front of the abdomen was ripped open on one side and some guts and meat eaten. The possibility of rogue dogs certainly occurred to me, especially as very little was eaten from the carcasses initially. But the witnesses said it was not dog like, didn't move like a dog, and had a stubby tail.

Its a big bobcat. All day long. Wont go far either, go for a walk when you get some snow, they are territorial. Then shoot me a msg when it comes back :)

[000buck]

Its one of them bad azz witches monkeys from the Wizard of Oz thats what that is, watch out cause them fackers can fly... I would recommend removing the plug and loading slug, buckshot,#5 bird incase it gets of the ground :mrgreen:

[180grainer]

I don't think I've ever heard of either a lynx or bobcat going after goats or sheep. Those are pretty big animals for either of those cats to take on. But who knows.

[boxhitch]

remember this one ? tough buztard
huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?31830-Nice-kitty-kitty&highlight=lynx

[300H&H]

My guess is, wait for it.........a poodle !

[Blktail]

That's a cat!

[panhead]

come on you guy's ... that looks like a mother in law to me ...

[JAYDEE]

Big ole Bobcat

[kyleklassen]

sasquatch...

[The Dude]

It's obviously a Pembradoodle, a distant relative to the Pembrecabra. Shoot it, stuff it, and have it mounted like this.

http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m488/annamosity000/poodle-with-zombie-hair-cut-and-dye.jpg

[Mark_S]

Its one of them bad azz witches monkeys from the Wizard of Oz thats what that is, watch out cause them fackers can fly... I would recommend removing the plug and loading slug, buckshot,#5 bird incase it gets of the ground :mrgreen:


You know at first I was thinking immie Sasquatch. But clearly you have nailed it! Witch monkey all the way.

[Cpl_Punishment]

Chupacabra, definitely. OH, Beat me to it. haha

[scoutlt1]

It's obviously a Pembradoodle, a distant relative to the Pembrecabra. Shoot it, stuff it, and have it mounted like this.

http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m488/annamosity000/poodle-with-zombie-hair-cut-and-dye.jpg


WTF happened there???

Jeezes.... lol

[steel_ram]

Looks like an Alpaca. They're vicious predators.

[Crawfy42]

That is a lynx

[bccanadian]

My mother-in-law during the full moon.

[markt308]

miniature mountain llama. they are rare, but they roam the land

[russm86]

I think it almost looks monkey like.... lol. Especially in irons altered version... Chimp or orang if its orange? lol

[Husky7mm]

The tail was a stub, she saw it walking. Wasn't a long cougar tail or bushy yote tail or wolf tail. I did wonder if it was a cougar that had it's tail run over by a train, though. :)

I saw a tail-less coyote running down the train tracks once. True story

[Jetboat]

Lynx. See them all the time here, day and night.

[Sofa King]

so were there no tracks anywhere to be found?
that itself is a bigger mystery.

[Gunsmoke]

..........it's probably Jelvis......

[Phreddy]

My guess, based on body shape, etc. is Lynx.

[landphil]

Its a liger - a cross between a lion and a tiger, and pretty much my favorite animal.:???:

[open-sights]

ok Clarke, isn't it about time you let us in on the gag?

[mijinkal]

too funny, my first thought was poodle as well.

[Deer_Slayer]

looks like the legendary sidehill gouger

[trapperRick]

Looks like a Dog and Dog,s are known to kill sheep etc when they go bad, shoot it,trap it whatever it take's ASAP. Domistic Dogs that start to kill farm aminals are trouble of the worst kind.

[bruin]

,,,,,,,,,,,Tracks??

[thumper1]

If they eyes reflect yellow/gold, then its usually a canid. Cats eyes usually reflect green.

[The Dude]

I have a dog that reflects on eye red, one eye green. Also Mule deer reflect green as well.

[Wrayzer]

Its a liger - a cross between a lion and a tiger, and pretty much my favorite animal.:???:

Bred for its skillz in magic. Careful Gate of its wizardry.

[325]

I see a poodle

[scope]

haha looks identical to mine!

[Firstblood]

clearly its the legendary central american el chupacabra, eats farm animals and such, very mysterious in nature haha.

[Backdraft]

Its a liger - a cross between a lion and a tiger, and pretty much my favorite animal.:???:

Nice one Napoleon!

[Gateholio]

I guess after deer season I'll go try to find it. The livestock is all moved form that area to their winter home. Before moving them back in the spring I'll go do some more investigation. I'm guessing that many that suggested that it was a bigass bobcat are correct. Thanks to all that played. :)

[marcus44]

My guess is a new rug :-) a nice big bobcat rug, would look good next to a fireplace

[bc_buckshot]

Bobcat!!!!!!!!

[35 Whelen]

I say Lynx.......really tall legs and even though it's dark in comparison to most. The lynx up the Granby north of Grand Forks are very dark coloured. Hope you get him.

[blindcast]

I'm putting my money on lynx. Possibly melanistic, might explain why it shows up so dusky in the photo.

[hunter1947]

I say a small wolf..

[Mountain Hunter]

Looks like a labradoodle to me, seriously. Mt. Currie wild dog? Cull time for the band maybe.

I have to agree!??!