People hunting sheep in closed area!

[afflicted 1]

A friend of mine is at work yesterday and this younger local guy from one of the reserves says hes going sheep hunting this weekend around the Perry Ranch above Cache Creek, and I'm sure we all know their not open there ..ever. Says hes going to get a big ram and they have got one there the last few years. Really pisses me off but what to do phone Kamloops office so they can tell me its a food hunt and their hands are tied? This ranks right up there with the nets that were in Kamloops lake this summer. Anyways he will be there this week end looking for the sheep we all see in the field every day.

[The Dude]

I believe I will retire to my
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj313/Heliox18/ibtl.jpg
and watch this thread from there.
(PS: Poachers of any origin are thieves, and they suck donkey balls.)

[bowhunterbruce]

hmmmmmm i wonder if anyone out that way has a video camera and isn't doing much this weekend.might be a good time chasing and filming the hunt as it unfolds for them.hint hint

[quadrakid]

Another open invitation to bash natives? If its legal and you don,t like it complain to your elected officials.

[frenchbar]

are you surprized by this? its been happening for yrs .

[steel_ram]

He's probably just yanking your chain.

[frenchbar]

He's probably just yanking your chain.

i would say NO hes not...it happens every yr ....the full curl you saw end of season and didnt get a crack at ..and you said i will be back next yr to try for you..could well be on a wall before then .BELIEVE ME IT HAPPENS! not you or i or anyone for that matter will stop it ..so no sense giving yourself an ulcer over it

[guest]

Likely looking for a full curl to fetch yet some big foreign dollars too.

Pathetic really, goes on all over the place .... food hunt ... ya right.

CT

[CanuckShooter]

Another open invitation to bash natives? If its legal and you don,t like it complain to your elected officials.

X2...might make you feel better, but the guy will hunt the sheep anyway.

[ianwuzhere]

Theres more meat on a big ram then a small ewe!

[Gateholio]

Least you can do is call it in and report it.Let them decide.

YOu could also go on a one man public relations campaign to shame them, if there is a conservation concern. But make sure you get your facts straight, first.

[sarg]

rules should be the SAME for everyone, i dont thing one race should get special privileges, there no better then us.
(PS: Poachers of any origin are thieves, and they suck donkey balls.)

[CanuckShooter]

rules should be the SAME for everyone, i dont thing one race should get special privileges, there no better then us.
(PS: Poachers of any origin are thieves, and they suck donkey balls.)

I've heard of white people having the same 'rights' so I don't think 'race' has much to do with it.....there is a difference between a 'right' and a 'privilege' ya know?

[Jagermeister]

I've heard of white people having the same 'rights' so I don't think 'race' has much to do with it.....there is a difference between a 'right' and a 'privilege' ya know?We are governed by the Charter of Rights, they are not by their own choice and the government allows it. Unless this country gets a government with some kahunas, things are going to rapidly accelerate down hill. There is no equality before the law, even though it say so in the Charter. Indians do not adhere to the Charter. They think that they are above it and quite frankly, they are. Every time an issue surfaced in law that involves Indians, the previous justices have caved in and made decisions contrary to how it would be implied for those of us that are not Indian. These decisions become precedent in law and we go from there. So actually, there are two applications of law in Canada, Indian Law and the law that is applied to the rest of the land.
http://www.uregina.ca/sipp/documents/pdf/MTJ_abstracts/b_rafoss.pdf

[Mr. Dean]

A friend of mine is at work yesterday and this younger local guy from one of the reserves says hes going sheep hunting this weekend around the Perry Ranch above Cache Creek, and I'm sure we all know their not open there ..ever. Says hes going to get a big ram and they have got one there the last few years. Really pisses me off but what to do phone Kamloops office so they can tell me its a food hunt and their hands are tied?....

IIRC sheep don't meet criteria in being hunted for food because of the sensitivity of them breeding. I'm sure the CO would like to hear about this - I would call em' asap.

1st Nations can only access them, the same way anyone alse does.
So I fully expect that you call it in as soon as you read this - DO YOUR PART.

[CanuckShooter]

We are governed by the Charter of Rights, they are not by their own choice and the government allows it. Unless this country gets a government with some kahunas, things are going to rapidly accelerate down hill. There is no equality before the law, even though it say so in the Charter. Indians do not adhere to the Charter. They think that they are above it and quite frankly, they are. Every time an issue surfaced in law that involves Indians, the previous justices have caved in and made decisions contrary to how it would be implied for those of us that are not Indian. These decisions become precedent in law and we go from there. So actually, there are two applications of law in Canada, Indian Law and the law that is applied to the rest of the land.
http://www.uregina.ca/sipp/documents/pdf/MTJ_abstracts/b_rafoss.pdf

You missed the third application, the one that applies to the famous and wealthy....

[mark]

You missed the third application, the one that applies to the famous and wealthy....


I just wish there was "one law for all" it would really make our world much simpler, and would certainly ease racism, and jealousy issues!

[pete_k]

I thought once FN stepped off the rez then normal rules apply?
ie: no off reg hunting on crown land

[CanuckShooter]

I thought once FN stepped off the rez then normal rules apply?
ie: no off reg hunting on crown land

No sir, the rez has nothing to do with it. It's on 'traditional territory', a big difference.

[CanuckShooter]

I just wish there was "one law for all" it would really make our world much simpler, and would certainly ease racism, and jealousy issues!

Your right there.....everyone should be able to afford a pack of top notch lawyers to defend themselves in court. Equality is a
pipe-dream that will never be realized because it's just not a natural function of the human race, the same as pure socialism.

[Gilmore]

A friend of mine is at work yesterday and this younger local guy from one of the reserves says hes going sheep hunting this weekend around the Perry Ranch above Cache Creek, and I'm sure we all know their not open there ..ever. Says hes going to get a big ram and they have got one there the last few years. Really pisses me off but what to do phone Kamloops office so they can tell me its a food hunt and their hands are tied? This ranks right up there with the nets that were in Kamloops lake this summer. Anyways he will be there this week end looking for the sheep we all see in the field every day.

There are some big rams in there. Call it in, there's really and unfortunately not much more you can do.

[MOUNTAIN MICKEY]

If your close enough to watch the hunt and dont like what is going on i am sure one of those canned air horns may even the odds

[ianwuzhere]

If your close enough to watch the hunt and dont like what is going on i am sure one of those canned air horns may even the odds

-now that would be interfering with a legal hunt!

[boxhitch]

IIRC sheep don't meet criteria in being hunted for food because of the sensitivity of them breeding. I'm sure the CO would like to hear about this - I would call em' asap.

1st Nations can only access them, the same way anyone alse does.
So I fully expect that you call it in as soon as you read this - DO YOUR PART.Criteria ? They are certainly edible. and both ewes and rams are taken for meat.

[Mr. Dean]

Criteria ? .


Sustenance Hunting for 1st Nations people.

[Mr. Dean]

Bottle of tequila says he hasn't called this in yet......


Thoughts?

[Gilmore]

If your close enough to watch the hunt and dont like what is going on i am sure one of those canned air horns may even the odds


-now that would be interfering with a legal hunt!


But do you get in shit for interfering in an illegal hunt??

[CanuckShooter]

But bo you get in shit for interfering in an illegal hunt??

You might lose some hair.....

[huntermike]

-now that would be interfering with a legal hunt!

I wasnt interfering with a legal hunt the synopsis says their closed and I was just out in the woods having fun!! Really its the honest truth SIR!!

[.300wsm]

I hear a lot of bragging from non natives rounding up a native to take hunting with them and shooting a lot of moose and deer and elk and whatever else they drive across whats up with that ? and don't worry it has been reported and video taped. It is amazing when you meet someone, you talk hunting with them and all the illegal shit they have been doing just flows out of there mouth. It makes me sick does anyone else experience this ? where is the satisfaction in breaking the rules and laws ? just a head mount illegally taken, hanging on the wall. meat off our tables, good job pro hunter !just don't get in my camera lens cause I'll take you down.

[boxhitch]

Sustenance Hunting for 1st Nations people.Haven't read that tale yet

[boxhitch]

Bottle of tequila says he hasn't called this in yet......


Thoughts?Mmmm? is it good tokillya ?

[Gilmore]

You might lose some hair.....

I doubt it....you've never seen the top of my head.

[Jelvis]

I would phone RAPP and ask because if it's a trophy size it can be taken away. No trophy hunting allowed out of season only for meat.
Jp .. Food only, no trophy hunting ... Book em Danno.

[Spy]

I would phone RAPP and ask because if it's a trophy size it can be taken away. No trophy hunting allowed out of season only for meat.
Jp .. Food only, no trophy hunting ... Book em Danno.
Nice to see you back .Did you bag a big Buck?

[Jelvis]

Hey Spy, I got a young four point mule buck on October 11, we already ate all the pepperoni and now it's the rest of the steaks.
Jel ..

[The Dude]

My understanding was that if it's on a certain band's land, all bets are off (even those for tequila).
If it's off the reserve, on Crown land, then same rules apply to all
Unless it's on a neighbouring band's land, in which case they must ask permission.
Now this Perry Ck area....is it Crown only? Is it claimed by the Band this guy belongs to? (Like I don;t know the answer to that already), but more importantly, is it recocgnized as any bands traditional hunting area, and therefore sanctioned for legalized poaching?
Don't even get me started on hunting a full-curl ram for "sustenance". if it was sustenance, then a young banana ram or even a ewe is a much wiser choice, both as long term sustainable food sources, and table fare, so this is obviously a trophy hunt, and quite possibly for profit. *Ahem*
Wish I was there. It would be nice to film that, and put it all over the evening news.
"Local Poachers killing protected Bighorn Sheep" Film at 6 and 11.

[sarg]

I've heard of white people having the same 'rights' so I don't think 'race' has much to do with it.....there is a difference between a 'right' and a 'privilege' ya know?
so what makes them privileged?

[The Dude]

Where exactly is the herd's area? Anyone know? I have that Crown land overlay for Google earth.

[CanuckShooter]

so what makes them privileged?

Who?? Is them?? White people with sec. 35 rights??

[Gilmore]

...this younger local guy from one of the reserves....


Who?? Is them??....


I know its early, but try and keep up.

[Mr. Dean]

Haven't read that tale yet

:confused: :confused:

[safarichris]

The ranch is deeded land, the hayfields are deeded land. Maybe the ranch could post the area and have him charged for trespassing and various other incidentals?

[Wild one]

I hear a lot of bragging from non natives rounding up a native to take hunting with them and shooting a lot of moose and deer and elk and whatever else they drive across whats up with that ? and don't worry it has been reported and video taped. It is amazing when you meet someone, you talk hunting with them and all the illegal shit they have been doing just flows out of there mouth. It makes me sick does anyone else experience this ? where is the satisfaction in breaking the rules and laws ? just a head mount illegally taken, hanging on the wall. meat off our tables, good job pro hunter !just don't get in my camera lens cause I'll take you down.


I know exactly what you are talking about and it makes me sick. I get shocked by the amount of people I come across that just openly admit to poaching(all races) and this is from just having a short conversation with them. Way too many slobs out there calling them selves hunters.

Sometimes I am almost embarrassed to say I am a hunter because of this crap

[curt]

Frenchbar was right on the money and as much as i hate to say it the Canadian Government is completely spineless and are scared to stand up for what is right unfortunately SOME 1st Nations are completely abusing our resource on land and in water but nothing will ever come of it so getting all worked up wont chance a thing!!

[Jelvis]

In Kamloops with the wild sheep here we are told to refrain from shooting sheep, we have deer and some moose to hunt for sustenance. Band members are told this and any other local bands follow the verbal rules out of respect for the community. I hope others will respect the sustenance law by letting the sheep live. Bands work with MOE in harmony to recognize an LEH system that is in place for the Big Horned sheep. I hope all will respect the intent of the LEH system for the Big Horned sheep.
Jelly Bot.

[safarichris]

Well said jelly.

[Darksith]

I am a personal friend of a local kamloops butcher and he has already processed 1 or 2 rams taken from around kamloops. It stinks but the COs won't touch that I guarantee it.

[walks with deer]

What about the pritchard burn elk herd I herd some of them got hit last year that's a herd a respectfull hunter traditional area or not would be left alone

[250 sav]

Queens Beef is what a guy I meet from bonaparte rez. used to call sheep. Salt and pepper hunting is a piss off! I have native friends I could hunt with but would not. For me its ethics and if everyone that had a native friend went out hunting/ poaching with them there would be little game left.

[The Dude]

I am a personal friend of a local kamloops butcher and he has already processed 1 or 2 rams taken from around kamloops. It stinks but the COs won't touch that I guarantee it.

Well if I was a patron of any butcher, friend or not, I would tell him in no uncertain terms that if he's in the business of processing poached sheep from a protected herd, that he's losing my trade, and the trade of any hunters that associate with me.
PERHAPS WE SHOULD ALL DO THAT.

[Livewire322]

Well if I was a patron of any butcher, friend or not, I would tell him in no uncertain terms that if he's in the business of processing poached sheep from a protected herd, that he's losing my trade, and the trade of any hunters that associate with me.
PERHAPS WE SHOULD ALL DO THAT.

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[Muleycatcher]

This comes from as no suprise, this has been happening in the Spences area for years!

[CanuckShooter]

This comes from as no suprise, this has been happening in the Spences area for years!

Amazing there is even a sheep left in the area......

[Woodrow]

this is old news,nothing you can do so move on,

[ianwuzhere]

also has been happening for years and years near pavillion and lillooet. has some of the healthiest herds in B.C.

[CanuckShooter]

Queens Beef is what a guy I meet from bonaparte rez. used to call sheep. Salt and pepper hunting is a piss off! I have native friends I could hunt with but would not. For me its ethics and if everyone that had a native friend went out hunting/ poaching with them there would be little game left.

So you don't hunt with guys you call 'friend' because they are native....your a real peach bucko!! What your calling ethics is racism.

[Gateholio]

So you don't hunt with guys you call 'friend' because they are native....your a real peach bucko!! What your calling ethics is racism.


Not wanting to be involved in poaching is racism according to CS.

CS is confused...... again......

[CanuckShooter]

""Salt and pepper hunting is a piss off! I have native friends I could hunt with but would not. For me its ethics ""

"salt and pepper hunting" is how you'd describe poaching?? that's a stretch for sure.

[Gateholio]

Try reading his whole post....

For me its ethics and if everyone that had a native friend went out hunting/ poaching with them there would be little game left.

[The Dude]

this is old news,nothing you can do so move on,

Yes, there is.
Apathy is a disease. Don't succumb.

[CanuckShooter]

Try reading his whole post....

For me its ethics and if everyone that had a native friend went out hunting/ poaching with them there would be little game left.

I did read the entire post....don't try and be glib, when someone uses terminology like 'salt and pepper hunting' it's a racist comment and of that I am not in the slightest bit confused. :-)

[Gateholio]

I did read the entire post....don't try and be glib, when someone uses terminology like 'salt and pepper hunting' it's a racist comment and of that I am not in the slightest bit confused. :-)


So now you are changing your tune...Now it's becuase he used the term "salt and pepper" whereas before your problem was that his ethics wouldn't allow him to hunt with his native friends.


So you don't hunt with guys you call 'friend' because they are native....your a real peach bucko!! What your calling ethics is racism.

The guy doesn't want to hunt with his native friends, because he doesn't want to participate in (or even be perceived as participating in) illegal hunting where a non native goes along with a native in order to shoot game out of season under the natives status protection.

I think that is pretty damn good ethics, but you call him a racist.

[camelsfoot]

Try reading his whole post....

For me its ethics and if everyone that had a native friend went out hunting/ poaching with them there would be little game left.

I hunt a lot with my native friend. Not sure, does that alone make me the hunter or the poacher? For me it's also about ethics, I abide by the rules that pertain to me and he the rules that pertain to him. And yes I would never hunt with anyone in a closed season, native or not, that would be poaching.

[beni]

What about the pritchard burn elk herd I herd some of them got hit last year that's a herd a respectfull hunter traditional area or not would be left alone


Im unsure if it's the same herd, but one was shot by some white guy from Kamloops, and another mature bull was hit on the highway :(. Hopefully there were more breeding bulls there.

[coach]

You might lose some hair.....

What does this mean?

[Gateholio]

I hunt a lot with my native friend. Not sure, does that alone make me the hunter or the poacher? For me it's also about ethics, I abide by the rules that pertain to me and he the rules that pertain to him. And yes I would never hunt with anyone in a closed season, native or not, that would be poaching.

Seems to me that the member was talking about those that do hunting closed seasons with a native friend. Keep in mind the topic of this thread is about questionable activities by status holders. Abuse of systems is not unheard of, which is what he was saying.

[Gateholio]

What does this mean?

Sounds racist to me.....

[CanuckShooter]

What does this mean?

That means if you do those types of things to people one of them might scalp you. Capish?

[CanuckShooter]

I hunt a lot with my native friend. Not sure, does that alone make me the hunter or the poacher? For me it's also about ethics, I abide by the rules that pertain to me and he the rules that pertain to him. And yes I would never hunt with anyone in a closed season, native or not, that would be poaching.

You said it correctly...good on ya!!!

[CanuckShooter]

Sounds racist to me.....

Man, you gotta get out of that kitchen your startin' to sound like an echo.

[Gilmore]

Man, you gotta get out of that kitchen your startin' to sound like an echo.

Who sounds like an echo??

[CanuckShooter]

Who sounds like an echo??

Is that another echo...or just some asshole whispering behind my back?

[kidconcrete]

Who has limited entry year round?? Did you know who?? That would be the people that Owned this country before the white man came with his fire water.......What do you have to say about that...LMAO.. You would take that full curl if you had limited enter??? yeah????Did he take it or did he leave it???What would you do if you were in his shoes??

[Alpine Addict]

Hey I shot one in that same area just last week.

Anybody wanna buy horns?!

[The Hermit]

We need a rewrite of the Constitution and the Charter of Rights... think killing the long gun registry was hard? LOL

[coach]

That means if you do those types of things to people one of them might scalp you. Capish?

What kind of civilized people would do something like that?

[Gilmore]

...or just some asshole whispering behind my back?


If I was behind your back big boy I wouldn't be whispering.:wink:

[Jelvis]

scalping was introduced by non-indians a scalp for a reward was given to the salt side first then John Vane turned it around to make it sound more romantic lol.
Remember Steve McQueen was in a movie playing a native. Steve MaQueen folks C'mon Man! lol
Jelly Vane

[Gilmore]

So its Steve McQueen hunting sheep in Cache Creek?? That ****er, I'll never watch Bullit again.

[The Dude]

Just thank God it's not Chuck Norris.....there's be nothing left for anyone......not even dirt.

[Singleshotneeded]

Exactly, Chuck Norris would just get out of his truck and all the legal game within a few km. would race headfirst into a tree and commit suicide,
knowing they were as good as dead...
Just in case anyone missed it, lol, I believe in one law for everyone in Canada, one set of regs for everyone. If the indians insist on having their
food hunts outside of the hunting season they should be limited to traditional recurve bows and spears during daylight hours, and in their traditional hunting area. As well, that traditional food hunting should be limited to indians living on the reserve that may need it, if they're living in town like the rest of us and making good money, they can abide by the BC hunting regs like the rest of us, and wait impatiently through the winter for the spring hunts. :-)

[fusion]

Well said Singleshot.

[Spy]

Exactly, Chuck Norris would just get out of his truck and all the legal game within a few km. would race headfirst into a tree and commit suicide,
knowing they were as good as dead...
Just in case anyone missed it, lol, I believe in one law for everyone in Canada, one set of regs for everyone. If the indians insist on having their
food hunts outside of the hunting season they should be limited to traditional recurve bows and spears during daylight hours, and in their traditional hunting area. As well, that traditional food hunting should be limited to indians living on the reserve that may need it, if they're living in town like the rest of us and making good money, they can abide by the BC hunting regs like the rest of us, and wait impatiently through the winter for the spring hunts. :-)

I think that about sums it up, well said!Now lets start writing letters to the "Chiefs"!

[CanuckShooter]

The chiefs cannot change Canadian law...you'd be wasting your time. Don't you have any clue how to lobby you MP???

[Gilmore]

The chiefs cannot change Canadian law...

Nor do they want to...

[Singleshotneeded]

Email your MPs!

[Spy]

The chiefs cannot change Canadian law...you'd be wasting your time. Don't you have any clue how to lobby you MP???

I was being sarcastic!:confused:MP's are just as useless!:icon_frow

[muleychaser]

Were these people succesfull in there sustenance quest? Those sheep are damn near in some of my familys front yard and I have watched them on many occasions.

[safarichris]

I know many ranchers who have their deeded land posted. Bighorns figure this out pretty fast and stick to the areas they feel safe.

[Jelvis]

LOL man some of you posters are really jacked! Hey don't tell people to do traditional methods lmao.
Why you say?
1. Pits dug on well used deer and elk trails during the rut season with sharp sticks on the bottom facing up. Then camoed
2. Swinging and falling rock or limbs onto trip wire so when tripped, falls or swings into or on to, maming the animule.
3. A snare set for bear that will rip into the massive muscle of the horribilliss (GRIZZ) on trails in the forest
Need I go on do not promote this cuz you and I hunt those areas too so I don't need to fall into a pit.
Thanks everyone
Jel ( Hard Liquor ) Sticker