PETITION FOR ACTION (needed)

[Trapper D]

There is several intelligent people that use this site. The Americans are claiming our government cant be trusted, regarding the virus being found in our wild salmon stocks.
In the past it has wiped out other countrys wild stocks of fish, not just salmon.
Possibly our lifetime , they can be lost.
I personnally believe this virus has been killing fish stocks for some time. Have they been consistantly been tested in all water courses for years?
Has anyone challenged the government for the records of testing?
Anyways , I think there's a core group here that could get the ball rolling, and I believe it concerns us all. There is many angles to go at this. Maybe this is the closed containment opportunity, I dont know, but I think we as a group could start something good. Im not good at writing up a petition , but I know of several in here that are. What do you think?

[lorneparker1]

http://www.findonnelly.ca/salmonpetition

[Steeleco]

Done, Thanks Lorne

[Davey Crockett]

Done and done.

[Trapper D]

thanks LP1. signed, tried to follow up on free postcard to feds but didnt work

[eric]

Done.
Lets get on this guys

[Ozone]

Not signed, sorry I dont sign anything for the NDP

[Trapper D]

nice try ozone but it isnt a polical statement , but as expected you really dont care about the wild stock$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ do you. im expecting changes for your line of work , coming shortly. even if our government pockets are padded.

[Barracuda]

it sure looks like an NDP vehicle that is useing a hot button issue.

[Ozone]

I absolutely do care. Every fish we raise is one less wild fish that has to die to feed the world. If it was about the money and me not caring about the enviroment I would have stayed logging.

[Trapper D]

I absolutely do care. Every fish we raise is one less wild fish that has to die to feed the world. If it was about the money and me not caring about the enviroment I would have stayed logging. a little self proclaiming from our neighboring net pen salmon farmer.

[Ozone]

a little self proclaiming from our neighboring net pen salmon farmer.

That wasnt a shot at loggers, it was at logging practices at the time.

[Trapper D]

if i was you i might be tight lipped right now, if this turns bad for fish stocks i would nt want to be you

[Ozone]

Ok, I will let you have your little NDP rally. David Susuki would be proud. Perhaps next you can work on saving the grizzly.

[Trapper D]

nice try ozone, like i said this has nothing to do with politics, but im sure all will see through your smear campaign. when your time is up , im betting closed containment for you .lol

[Trapper D]

http://www.findonnelly.ca/salmonpetition thanks LP1

[Big Lew]

Done! It's something I firmly believe should have been done right from the start.

[Salty]

The sky is falling, the sky is falling. We should plant more sea lice on pink salmon smolts (backwards so there's no way they could swim properly) LOL.

IMO with current technology there is room for open pen fish farming but there's a lot of old sites in the wrong places.

[Trapper D]

there is no known cure for Infectious Salmon Anemia, salty , so moving the net pens isnt a very well thought out plan http://www.findonnelly.ca/salmonpetition

[Trapper D]

http://www.cfsph.iastate.edu/Factsheets/pdfs/infectious_salmon_anemia.pdf read that then sign this http://www.findonnelly.ca/salmonpetition

[Rubberknot]

I don't care what party the petition belongs to, I'll sign it because it's the right thing to do. Thanks LP1

[Trapper D]

http://www.findonnelly.ca/salmonpetition

[lorneparker1]

I don't care what party the petition belongs to, I'll sign it because it's the right thing to do. Thanks LP1


Agreed. Anyone that knows me know i am about as right as they come and as anti-dnp as they come. However, this isnt about that. The DFO has lied through its teeth and continus to lie and cover up this. and honestly my grand kids will have 0 fish if this continues. And im not just talking salmon... here is some more reads


http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/

[lorneparker1]

Lethal salmon virus now detected in four species

BY SEAN SULLIVAN, POSTMEDIA NEWS NOVEMBER 3, 2011

The New Democratic Party drew attention to a statement issued earlier in the day by three American senators who have made a bipartisan appeal to U.S. government officials to probe the possible spread of infectious salmon anemia.

On Wednesday, biologist and salmon advocate Alexandra Morton learned an infectious salmon amenia (ISA) lab at the Atlantic Veterinary College in P.E.I. found evidence of the virus in three of 10 dead fish — a Chinook, coho and chum — she pulled from the Harrison River on Oct. 12.

Researchers at Simon Fraser University announced last month the virus was found in two of 48 sockeye smolts collected in B.C.'s Central Coast.

"The terrible thing about the work that myself and (SFU researcher Rick) Routledge have done is that it's tiny," Morton said. "We looked at 60 fish, and we got it in two different generations, 600 kilometres apart, four different species. That's a huge red flag."

ISA's effect on Pacific salmon — if any — is not known. This is the first time the disease has been found in wild Pacific salmon, raising fears among advocates that the already stressed wild stocks could be further jeopardized.

A spokeswoman for the Department of Fisheries and Oceans said Morton's samples are now being tested in Canada's official ISA lab in Moncton, N.B.

Vancouver-area MP Fin Donnelly, raised the issue in Ottawa Thursday, calling on the government to develop an action plan to deal with the virus on Canada's West Coast.

"Concern is mounting both in British Columbia and the United States that the Department of Fisheries and Oceans is not taking this threat seriously," the New Democrat fisheries critic said.

Meanwhile, a group of U.S. senators released a letter saying Canadian officials can't be trusted to identify the presence of ISA virus.

In a letter to Senate decision-makers Wednesday, Senator Maria Cantwell of Washington and senators Lisa Murkowski and Mark Begich of Alaska argued the United States should conduct independent tests for the contagious disease that has decimated Atlantic salmon farms in Chile and Norway.

"We should not rely on another government — particularly one that may have a motive to misrepresent its findings — to determine how we assess the risk ISA may pose to American fishery jobs," the senators said.

Some have suggested the virus may have come from Atlantic salmon eggs imported to local fish farms from Chile or Norway.

Salmon farmers have been quick to shoot down those claims, as has the federal government. "In recent years we tested over 5,000 wild and farmed B.C. salmon without a single case of confirmed ISA in B.C.," Randy Kamp, the parliamentary secretary to the minister of Fisheries and Oceans, said Thursday.

Chile, a major producer of farmed Atlantic Salmon, has seen its wild fish stocks decimated by ISA over the last four years, with $2 billion in estimated losses.



http://www.theprovince.com/news/Leth...786/story.html (http://www.theprovince.com/news/Lethal+salmon+virus+detected+four+species/5652786/story.html)

[Trapper D]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq9ClkWI2TQ doing nothing is part of the problem. http://www.findonnelly.ca/salmonpetition

[Ozone]

Some have suggested the virus may have come from Atlantic salmon eggs imported to local fish farms from Chile or Norway.


Sorry to jump in here and spread some truth around again but there never were eggs brought here from Chile or Norway.

http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/aquaculture/reporting-rapports/egg-oeuf-eng.htm

[Trapper D]

ozone , IMO if they didnt come from norway or chile directly they came indirectly via scotland , iceland, eastern canada, , and where did they get theirs from? you guessed it. slack testing, loopholes in the laws , leaving the testing responsibilties to the farmers, unsterile cleaning practices, poor handling of contaminated product. what do you guys do with a yellow salmon? or a pale gilled salmon, or for that matter the blood and guts? as thats known to spread contagian www.findonnelly.ca/salmonpetition (http://www.findonnelly.ca/salmonpetition) whats a cubic meter of cement going for? the fact that you have to ask a farmer these questions, is an automatic RED FLAG, that due to the almighty doller , FARMERS CANT BE TRUSTED TO UPHOLD THESE RESPONSIBILITIES

[Ubertuber]

I detest the NDP, but I detest fish farms even more.

Thanks Trapper, keep it up....

[lorneparker1]

Sorry to jump in here and spread some truth around again but there never were eggs brought here from Chile or Norway.

http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/aquaculture/reporting-rapports/egg-oeuf-eng.htm

its from the dfo, must be true!

"Transfers of fish into and within British Columbia are reviewed by the Introductions and Transfers Committee (http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/aquaculture/regions/pac/introduction-eng.htm) for risks associated with genetics, ecology and diseases. Transfers must not have disease agents that may be harmful to wild populations"

[Wolfman]

Done on this end as well.

[Trapper D]

am i missing something , as i couldnt find atlantic salmon on the list? www.findonnelly.ca/salmonpetition (http://www.findonnelly.ca/salmonpetition)

[Trapper D]

anybody care to sign this www.findonnelly.ca/salmonpetition (http://www.findonnelly.ca/salmonpetition)

[Walking Buffalo]

I absolutely do care. Every fish we raise is one less wild fish that has to die to feed the world. If it was about the money and me not caring about the enviroment I would have stayed logging.


That wasnt a shot at loggers, it was at logging practices at the time.


This isn't about fish farmers, it's about fish farm practices Right Now....

[Livewire322]

As much as i dislike the ndp I like that petition... Signed for myself and future generations

[Samsquatch]

Done and Done.

[Trapper D]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp-536AbJw8

[Ozone]

Sure alot more ndpers here than I ever thought.

[Trapper D]

desperation setting in I see. How many farms in the Discovery Passage Ozone? CALCULATED BET that there has been lots of wholesale cleaning supply chemicals and products bought in the last few weeks , by salmon farmers, as well as extra hours for the workers doing clean-up. probably fresh turned over soil to .

[Ozone]

How many farms in the Discovery Passage Ozone?

I believe there is only 1. Perhaps you could call your buddy Suzuki and ask him.

[Ozone]

CALCULATED BET that there has been lots of wholesale cleaning supply chemicals and products bought in the last few weeks , by salmon farmers, as well as extra hours for the workers doing clean-up. probably fresh turned over soil to .

I dont even know WTF this means. Please readjust your tinfoil hat again and double up on your meds, your starting to do Jelvis speak.

[Trapper D]

I believe there is only 1. Perhaps you could call your buddy Suzuki and ask him. sorry ozone , im just watching the cohen inquiry, its actually pretty interesting, and I have to say that so called hippy, as you say . Alexandra Morton , is quite intelligent. Funny noones sueing her for inflamatory, or sensationalizing, defaming. must be true then. Anyways good luck on relocating. Did ya find out the cubic meter price of cement yet, even the guy in the closed containment across the bay , probably isnt going to work, with his set up , as he would need quite the filtration system, to stop trannsmission. on land closed containment only Imo.

[Ozone]

DR. Alexandra Morton

She isnt a Dr, I think she may have a BSc.



Did ya find out the cubic meter price of cement yet,

No idea what this means.

I forgot about Agrimarines farm in Middlepoint, so I guess there are 2 in Discovery Passage.

[Trapper D]

lol, thought you would like that, but the gov, during the cohen inquiry listed her as dr. price of cement , closed containment???? theres going to be some wholesale changes to your industry, just like land farmers, the government is going to skim off all the worth , you watch , ozone. www.findonnelly/salmonpetition (http://www.findonnelly/salmonpetition)

[Ozone]

I still dont understand the cement reference.

[Ubertuber]

Sure alot more ndpers here than I ever thought.
I won't speak for others here, but for me, supporting the wild fish in BC isn't aligned with any political party. Any vehicle that helps and promotes wild salmon is one that I'll jump aboard. I would be pissed if the NDP gets back in power, but I don't think this issue is one that will tip the balance in their favour during an election. That's why I signed the petition.

[Trapper D]

pest and pathogen regulation has been omitted from regulation guidelines?? deltametherin, what that ozone? so its a free for all using chemicals? no ticketable offences for salmon farms? 70 million towards salmon farming , the government is funding these guys? Emamectin Benzoate (slice) another untested chemical being dumped in our oceans cause of salmon farming , i guess i shouldnt say untested, the company who sells it tested it , but no one can get facts as its proprietary.

[Trapper D]

ozone how did your industry and dfo do with certification for being listed as organic? has that been finallized? didnt know pellet fed fish in a pen could be organic

[BimmerBob]

Just a question here for those that may know: What is the opposition to closed pen salmon farming? and... with the billions recently spent on infrastructure projects throughout the country, why could we not have converted all the open pen fish farms to closed pen systems as a solution to all the problems? (imagined and real) It would have killed two birds with one stone, been good for the environment, good for salmon farmers, good for stopping this conflict, good for wild stocks...

[Trapper D]

BB its actually successfully being done washington, but our gov, and these farms are hand in hand IMO.

[Ioneth]

Posted link to my Facebook should get some more signatures from that a lot of FN fishermen family/friends

[BimmerBob]

BB its actually successfully being done washington, but our gov, and these farms are hand in hand.

But... even that does not make sense, they would have used our tax money to spur development of important infrastructure at a time when there was not much work in the coastal communities. What is the real reason for the opposition to closed pen salmon farming?

[Trapper D]

IMO closed containment on land seems the safest, going by what they say about transmission of ISAv , closed containment floating on the ocean would have to have quite the filtration systems , to prevent transmission. the washington systems use a recirculation system on land , im in favor of CC on land. farmers complaint is costs to do CC. PROFIT MARGINS they have a net free circulation, floats, some chemical , and food, and labor, easy money www.findonnelly.ca/salmonpetition (http://www.findonnelly.ca/salmonpetition)

[Trapper D]

BB farms are supposed to be private enterprise. their responsibility to pay for that, but its big money profits right now , and you no how hard that is to wean off of IMO. good idea ioneth, try that myself as well

[Trapper D]

For anybody who thinks the Cohen Inquiry results were inconclusive, thats because its on going till mid-2012, as they asked for an extension. http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/871845/cohen-commission-issues-statement-about-dealing-with-new-virus-reports watching the cohen inquiry on you tube , is quite informative, and fairly easy to follow , definatly opened my eyes. worth a look anyways. www.finndonnelly.ca/salmonpetition (http://www.finndonnelly.ca/salmonpetition)

[Trapper D]

If you heard that it was a couple of fish in the Harrison River that might have had some disease, read this, and look at the pictures. http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/alexandra_morton/2011/10/open-letter-to-fisheries-and-oceans-canada.html

[Trapper D]

Check this out, 1992 testing results for what they were calling Salmon Leukimia Virus funded by DFO of salmon from salmon farms. http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/52/23/6496 were going to lose our salmon boys www.findonnelly/salmonpetition (http://www.findonnelly/salmonpetition)

[butcher]

FYI....

http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/media/statement-declarations/2011/20111109-eng.htm

Seems there was a little misinformation being spread by certain parties.

[butcher]

And this....
http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/corpaffr/newcom/2011/20111109e.shtml

[butcher]

"In recent years, over 5,000 wild and farmed salmon in BC have been tested by the Federal Government and the Province of BC and none have ever tested positive for the disease."

http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/media/back-fiche/2011/20111108-eng.htm

So there you have it, believe who you want to, but as for me , Alexandra Morton ain't the one.

[Ozone]

Alexandra Morton ain't the one.

She and her cronies have never really been big on the truth, kind of like the Susuki clan.

[Trapper D]

Question is woodbutcher who is misinforming? look at DFO's 1992 test results. Another thing I would be cautious of, what they are testing for, as they say ISAv, but previous disease which is listed , is called Plasmacytoid Leukemia (PL) IMO, it seems this maybe a false representation , of whats killing the fish. But the facts that the fish are in fact dying , with a jaundice appearance. Simular to above diseases. If you also look at photos of the yellow pink salmon in the photos, you might remember no mention of pinks with ISAv, I'm hoping these fish were sent across the border. I suspect ,that this will have to be done in order to get accurate diagnosis IMO. watch the cohen inquiry, draw your own conclusions.

[Trapper D]

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/52/23/6496 butcher, these are from the DFO own funded tests, note year, whose fish, disease, transmission. one thing that that has the possibility of being misinforming, is naming the disease specifically, as every disease has different procedures to determine if it is in fact that disease. Just go by facts, dying fish, symptoms simular to salmon farm deaths, transmission of disease, contact possibilities IE. migration route, potential sources, the name itself Infectious Salmon Anemia, to me seems puzzling , why isnt it being called Plasmacytoid Leukemia? I personnally think that naming it ISAv is a loophole.

[butcher]

There is no doubt something killing wild stocks. AND for all I know Alexandra Morton could be on the right track. HOWEVER I can't support her because of her track record and the fact that she is IMO another anti with a personal agenda. The same ilk as Suzuki & Paul Watson. Spreading this kind of misinformation is doing no good for her cause. Obviously DFO is using actual facts to back up their claims.

It's unfortunate that DFO is such a dysfunctional organization run by politicians in the east with no real interest in the health of our fish populations. It is more unfortunate that DFO is full of quality bio's and technicians who are not able to work to their full potential because of the f'ed up dysfunctional organization they work for.

[betteroffishing]

to act as though this has nothing to do with politics is absurdley naive. the americans have been spending millions per year trying to spread the word against our canadian salmon in an effort to promote the more expensive alaskan salmon fleet. their protectionist stance on everything we compete with them on is frustratingly transparent to anyone willing to see. they tried to kill our forrest sector , our cattle / pig / and chicken farmers , they hate our " dirty oil " and the salmon is just the latest instance of negative propoganda speading . i read an article yesterday stating that in new testing done more recently there were no signs of this disease in our fish. sorry i do not remember the news source but i think it was in one of the free dailies. the trouble is it is almost impossible to match the dollars they can spend on their attacks of anything canadian so their messages are heard more loudly and more often. i do not know for certain that they are incorrect , i fear however that most who have posted on hear can not be big enough to admit the same. smell the kool aid before you gulp it down , for every canadians sake.

[Trapper D]

butcher you can call them whatever you like, fact is the only ones contradicting their own findings are the DFO, look at the tests they performed in 92? look at the resignations . Dr kristy miller ,geneticist, of the DFO, as she calls it a parvo virus, has since been hushed but not before the inquiry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MULjJzcZNxY&feature=related it was her research that alexandra is in collaboration with

[Trapper D]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZTPXvY8n8s&feature=related interesting

[butcher]

Fair enough, but it's Morton and her cronies need not contradict themselves when their data is largely fabricated.

Unfortunately, as with other campaigns designed to elicit emotional response (grizzly hunting for instance), the truth isn't a real big factor. Betteroffishing makes valid points. Politics plays a much larger role than science in this issue.

[Trapper D]

you have some evidence of fabricated data butcher pertaining to the collapse of the fraser river sockeye? PLEASE POST. Your misinformed on whose science is what , as much of the original sources of the science came from DFO biologists, which later were forced to contradict years of their own studys in order to continue with their career. Heres the biggest problem Butcher, How can DFO promote an industry and regulate it at the same time? As this in theory would oppose each other. Right? www.findonnelly.ca/salmonpetition (http://www.findonnelly.ca/salmonpetition)

[butcher]

http://fairquestions.typepad.com/rethink_campaigns/2011/09/letters-to-alexandra-morton-and-sea-lice-researchers.html

Just what I came up with in a 2 second google search.


I think you have got me wrong. I am not a big fan of DFO or government. I certainly think they're capable of spinning the truth. I also believe that fish farming needs to be more regulated and held accountable. I'm not real sure that contained facilities are the answer though.

Hell, I will even say that Ms. Morton (she is not a doctor or a bio, has a BSc) could be right. I just have trouble swallowing what she is serving up given her track record.

You are obviously very passionate on the subject and I applaud you for that. I will remain a cautious observer for the time being.

On the other hand I do enjoy a nice piece of farmed salmon.............;)

[Trapper D]

There is no doubt something killing wild stocks. AND for all I know Alexandra Morton could be on the right track. HOWEVER I can't support her because of her track record and the fact that she is IMO another anti with a personal agenda. The same ilk as Suzuki & Paul Watson. Spreading this kind of misinformation is doing no good for her cause. Obviously DFO is using actual facts to back up their claims.

It's unfortunate that DFO is such a dysfunctional organization run by politicians in the east with no real interest in the health of our fish populations. It is more unfortunate that DFO is full of quality bio's and technicians who are not able to work to their full potential because of the f'ed up dysfunctional organization they work for.Care to elaborate on her track record, and personal agenda, as before this , she was studying killer whales in the broughton archepelago from what ive learned www.findonnelly.ca/salmonpetition (http://www.findonnelly.ca/salmonpetition)

[Trapper D]

lol butcher geebuzz , did you even read that yourself? well you should, then maybe take 2 more seconds.lol ps who does Vivian Kraus work for? And looking at sources of funding and coming up with nothing, proves what?? come on butcher. even the university of alberta , told her to hit the road. www.findonnelly.ca/salmonpetition (http://www.findonnelly.ca/salmonpetition)

[Salty]

Care to elaborate on her track record, and personal agenda, as before this , she was studying killer whales in the broughton archepelago from what ive learned

Photos of seas lice attached to pink smolts backwards; with their tails pointing towards the smolts' head come to mind. Though those photos seem to have disapeared from the websites' as obviously this could never occur naturally. Lice attach head upstream so that they are sleak and aligned in the direction a fish swims or they'res no way they could hang on. I won't go on further other than to say other locals in the fish bio field who I know don't have much good to say about the "science" that this group comes up with.

[Trapper D]

thanks salty for educating us on which way a sea lices head points, and im not sure what group your talking about? Is that the biologists working out of the SFU campus? It doesnt take a scientist to tell their is something seriously wrong the salmon ,when thousands of dead un-spawned salmon were floating down the harrison and fraser river this year. ive posted pictures from the web salty have a look www.finndonnelly.ca/salmonpetition (http://www.finndonnelly.ca/salmonpetition)

[Trapper D]

salty tests have already been done on the sea lice in the broughton archepelago, and since they made changes ie moving farms off the main route, the amount of sea numbers went down considerably, so if your suggesting that someone placed sea lice on smolts for a photo op, backwards to get a point across, well i guess it worked , as results have shown. I'm assuming you have a connection this this industry Salty?

[Ozone]

thanks salty for educating us on which way a sea lices head points, and im not sure what group your talking about?

That would be alex mortons group. How about her being completely wrong about the pinks being extinct by 2010? Another thing she was wrong about.

[Trapper D]

http://www.agf.gov.bc.ca/ahc/fish_health/sealice_BA_monitoring.htm Ozone are you talking about the pinks in the Broughton Archipelago, that were on steady decline since those salmon farms were put on their migration route? As well as the class action law suite about the above said, which alex morton and those involved won, hence the moving of the salmon net pens. Yes if they werent moved as she claimed that run would have become extinct, but after they moved the farms , a slow but steady increase happened, to what it is today. come on Ozone this is your industry, and so far your defence has been , NDPERS, hippies, david suzuki, alexandra morton not qualified, but legal document , court cases , studys have all gone in her favor, and she is the little guy going up against gov. and industry, and then Salty ,I'm really not sure if your claiming that Alexandra Morton was placing sea lice on smolts backwards for photo ops? Even know she won that lawsuite proving that there was a coralation with sea lice numbers on wild smolts and salmon farms on their migratory routes. www.findonnelly.ca/salmonpetition (http://www.findonnelly.ca/salmonpetition) hers some more info http://www.loe.org/shows/segments.html?programID=09-P13-00007&segmentID=4

[Trapper D]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eC3Y2mUK98 short vid on SLICE www.findonnelly.ca/salmonpetition (http://www.findonnelly.ca/salmonpetition)

[dryflyguy57]

Salty do you work for a farm of are you concerned about your real-estsate price ? Come on man maybe you can buy a gill netter in the future if these farms become land based . What is your problem with land based ?

[Salty]

Salty do you work for a farm of are you concerned about your real-estsate price ? Come on man maybe you can buy a gill netter in the future if these farms become land based . What is your problem with land based ?

No I don't work on a farm. I live and recreate near dozens of them though. I personally don't like open fish farms, but I do believe that in the right places they are not the antichrist. Problem with land based? None. My biggest problem is bad science and lies about the whole thing. Which is prevalant with Morton and her group.

[Brett]

done.........

[Trapper D]

you have to go by the facts , and educate yourself on whats happening to our fish www.findonnelly.ca/salmonpetition (http://www.findonnelly.ca/salmonpetition)

[Ozone]

you have to go by the facts , and educate yourself on whats happening to our fish

Why would you start using facts now?

[Trapper D]

unfortunatly for salmon farmers, time tells all. its only a matter of time before this all unfolds. we will see what the final is with the cohen report due next summer, also on what the americans are going to do. there is also some test results coming up on some of the fish. www.findonnelly.ca/salmonpetition (http://www.findonnelly.ca/salmonpetition)

[hunterdon]

Not a NDP fan, but the petition looks clean and straight to the point. Signed. Thanks, Trapper D

[Barracuda]

this is now spam

[lorneparker1]

no man. Its in one thread. dont like, dont open it.

heres a letter by alex. To our current minister of ****ing things up for our kids in the ocean

11/25/2011

Open Letter to Minister Ashfield (http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/alexandra_morton/2011/11/open-letter-to-minister-ashfield.html)

Dear Minister Ashfield
I would suggest you stop treating us like fools. Your attached letter is grossly inadequate. Download Initial Request for 2011-001-03100.pdf (440.4K) (http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/Initial%20Request%20for%202011-001-03100.pdf) Show us your Moncton test results because your lab is the only one that cannot find ISA virus. I would also suggest you stop obsessing over the quality of the River Inlet samples and go out and get your own samples. You have an entire department at your disposal.
Yesterday I received yet another set of positive ISAv results for salmon of the Fraser River. Download Report231111[13].pdf (15.9K) (http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/Report231111%5B13%5D.pdf)
You can stop calling the 1st Norwegian tests a "negative" result. Be more accurate and call them what they are - a weak positive. Download Report 021111.pdf (22.0K) (http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/Report%20021111.pdf) You can't wave a magic wand and make black white.
I want to see Dr. Gary's Marty's PCR results. Don't just tell us he tested 5000 fish and got a negative, you need to tell us what segment and what probe, we need details because you are risking our fish with your actions.
As for Dr. Laura Richards, she personally petitioned to waive the Canadian Fish Health Protection Regulations in 2004 so Atlantic salmon eggs could pour in from an unapproved hatchery. That is why her words are meaningless to me. Download 2004 Fish Health1[1].pdf (2176.3K) (http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/2004%20Fish%20Health1%5B1%5D.pdf)
There is no reason BC would not have been contaminated by ISAv. Your department left the door wide open! You did not include ISAv on the hatchery import forms, likely because no one can actually sign a document saying there is no ISAv in Atlantic salmon eggs - the virus is that widespread. Your department did not even make ISAv a reportable disease in salmon farms, even as the same companies as use BC waters triggered a massive ISAv epidemic in Chile. This is unconscionable.
Shame on you. As we face grave uncertainty over introduction of the most lethal salmon virus known, you give the salmon farming industry a million dollars to go to trade shows so they can peddle their wares while we pay for the consequences.
In my opinion, Mr. Ashfield you, predecessors and key members of your department belong in court for reckless behaviour risking the most generous gift the people of British Columbia receive every year. You are not here to see communities of people, whales, eagles, bears come to life when the salmon come home. They are much too valuable to be risked by vacuous statements by the likes of you. Either stand up strong and fight for our fish or step down Mr. Ashfield.
Hundreds of British Columbians go into the rivers every year to fight for the wild salmon. We work for the wild salmon because we understand their value and we are not going to let you take this away from us. As hundreds of thousands of sockeye salmon died every year in the Fraser River, before spawning, your department would not give your own scientists the money to find out why and when they came up with a very strong theory you starved them further for funds and locked their voices away from the media. And yet you throw money to the foreign owned salmon feedlot industry.
Please resign and take your senior Pacific Region staff with you. Remove the Pacific Biological Station from political clutches so that they can do the work that needs to be done. We need some people at the helm who want wild salmon to survive and you sir have shown no such ability. Step away from our fish.

Dr. Alexandra Morton

[Ozone]

Thanks for the posting. Good to she she is keeping up with her shit so she can collect her welfare checks.

Dr Ozone

[lorneparker1]

Get real man. Do you really believe there is no isa? Deep down you have to know. You will be the next one on the line asking for handouts, better go back to school, a career change is evident.

Lorne

[tightgrouper]

Thanks for the posting. Good to she she is keeping up with her shit so she can collect her welfare checks.

Dr Ozone Actually I feel it is safe to say that Mrs Morton is very VERY well to do. She is the daughter of the new age wing nut american billionare Barbera Marx Hubbard.
Heres a little video to give you an idea what that is about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrCrvFKjBRQ&feature=related


Get real man. Do you really believe there is no isa?This isa "drama" has been a huge sham. Shame on Morton, Sfu and others pulling yet another PR stunt that greatly misleads the general public. If there was ISA in bc waters the salmon farms would be the first to know it because it has devastating effect on Atlantic salmon.

Morton is not a biologist she is an activist that fights salmon farms under the flag of wild salmon.

Follow the funding. Here is a interesting video or two about this. While it is mostly about tarsand oil the same is going on with bc farmed salmon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WIjHYyIOgk