Pull the trigger? On this?

[BiG Boar]

Here is a goat we have found. Thinking of going after it in the morning if we can close the distance. Do you think it's a nanny or a Billy? One of the goats may be a totally different goat. Need your opinion, big boar.

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn5/bigbore14/f1f0dc07.jpg

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn5/bigbore14/2538cd8c.jpg

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn5/bigbore14/9280c1ec.jpg

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn5/bigbore14/1119e1cc.jpg

[ramron]

Look's like a billy to me. Go for it.

[coach]

The goat in the first picture looks different than the goat in the third. Bases look a lot smaller and farther apart. Pics 2,3,4 look like a Billy. Hard to say on pic 1. Could be that I'm looking on my iPhone and not my computer. Your original post says they might be different goats. Is this what you are referring to?

[The Dude]

Hmmm, I think 1,2 and 3 are Billy's based on beard length, body mass and pronounced "pantaloons". # 4 is iffy for me, kinda blurry, but could be a nanny?
Looks like the Billy has everything but horn size. Doesn't seem to be a lot of mass or length there. Just my amateur opinion.
Would make a helluva nice mount Dave.

[BiG Boar]

The pictures were taken from different times and angles on the same heard when we lost sight of them for a while. Those are the biggest goats on the mountain though. We think there is a Billy there, but thought we would ask for opinions. Leaving tomorrow at first light. Will post results after.

[coach]

Good luck tomorrow, Dave! Looking forward to your story and pics.

[steel_ram]

There's quite a gap between the bases and they seem to thin out and curve a bit more near the tips. Blurry pic and I tend to weigh on the side of caution.

[steepNdeep]

I don't know goats at all - never hunted them. Found this: Mountain Goat ID (http://wildlife.state.co.us/SiteCollectionDocuments/DOW/Education/pdf/HunterEducation/MountainGoatIDQuizWEBRev09102010.pdf)

Are you hunting where J. guided you before?

[steel_ram]

IMO. If your looking for a trophy, your first impression should be HolyS!, not, "well....hmmm, maybe". Hope it happens for you!

[BiG Boar]

Were looking for a first goat for my friend. He doesn't want to make a mistake. Any good Billy will do. We are in the EK yes. This hunt has been incredible so far. Can't wait till first light.

[BromBones]

Pics 1, 2, and 3 are a nanny. Pic # 4 I *think* is a different goat and may be a billy, but it's hard to tell with that grainy pic.

[guest]

Very tough to tell horn mass, length, can you see any scent glands? Look for a loner, creamy or yellowish in color, compare the way they piss.

DON"T SHOOT A NANNY !

CT

[5 spike]

cant wait to hear all about this trip, and see the pics. good luck dave.

[BCHunterTV]

Very tough to tell horn mass, length, can you see any scent glands? Look for a loner, creamy or yellowish in color, compare the way they piss.

DON"T SHOOT A NANNY !

CT

my goat wasnt a loner and was with two other billies

[BCHunterTV]

Dave Id like to suggest a few sites I used prior to my hunt to research on Goats behaviors and most importantly sex identification , PM me and i'll send them to you for future Goat hunts.

OK picture number one is clearly a nanny, the wide distance between her thin horns are a big give away. ALSO the diameter of the base of a nannies horn is normally the size of her eye . AND her horns will have a sharp curve

picture 2,3 4 clearly billies!
Picture 2 its the large bases. Picture 3 its the thick bases and close together horn distance, Picture 4 Bases and the curve through the horn length

[BCHunterTV]

Pics 1, 2, and 3 are a nanny. Pic # 4 I *think* is a different goat and may be a billy, but it's hard to tell with that grainy pic.

picture two, three:

see the Large bases, larger than eye and the Horns are base heavy with more taper from
base to tip.

[BearStump]

you're seein' goats, bring home the trophy dude.
-BS

[Skull Hunter]

Really hard to tell from your pictures. I don't consider myself an expert on the goats but I spent a lot of time and looked over a lot of goats this year. In my opinion pic 1 is a nanny, I wouldn't even give it a second look. Pic 2 looks most like a billy, has some mass to it's basses (larger than the eye) and it's coat looks a little more yellowish but this could just be the lighting. I don't think it's a great scoring goat as far as book goes, but it does look like a mature animal (note the length of the face). Pic 3 and 4 both look like young animals (short faces 1-2 years old maybe) and may be young billy's (some mass at the bases; same goat perhaps) but I think you could find something better.

It's really hard to tell based on your pictures, but that's what I get out of them.

[Rattler]

Pic 1 = nanny. Small bases and wide gap between horns.
Pic 2-4 - billy. larger bases, horn curve looks right and narrow gap between horns.

[Mr. Dean]

Of the pic's, I think I can say 4 is a bill, fer sure.

The other ones leave me wanting more info.

[The Dude]

So there ya go dave.
It's as clear as the nose on your face, have at 'er, and take lotsa pics!
:D

[bcmulie]

#1 is a nanny, based on the following characteristics: horns flare out to the sides; significant gap between the bases; horns don't hold their mass (you can see how quickly they taper just above the base). The other characteristic to look for is whether the horns curve smoothly throughout their length (billy), or have a sharper curve at the tip (nanny). Non-horn characteristics to distinguish nannies from billies: nannies squat to urinate, while billies stretch out; billies tend to be dirtier and yellower; larger groups of goats tend to be nannies/kids; billies tend to have a more pronounced hump and are blockier.

#2-4 appear to be billies, but I'd want a clearer look before I pulled the trigger.

Good luck to your friend.

bcmulie

[Stone Sheep Steve]

Hard to tell from the grainy pics....but here's a reminder to never go by the bases alone.......

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Good luck!

SSS

[BCbillies]

Photos #2 & #3 are likely billies but no glands are evident . . . #4 is a teenager (2 or 3 year old). The horns shown in SSS's photo looks bigger than any of them! I know of a guy recently that got fooled by a dry old nanny with a roman nose and thick horns with very little curvature.

[Goat Hunter]

#2 and 3 billies 1 and 4 look like nannys to me!!!!!!!!!!!

[afflicted 1]

first goat looks like a nanny, the rest look like a billy

[BiG Boar]

The first 3 goats are the same goat. Goat 4 is different.

And.....

There is a dead 9.5 inch Billy in the back of the truck.

Will post pics soon.

Definitely the hardest hunt of my friends life. 3 hour stalk, 4 hour recovery, back to the trailer 3 hours after dark.

[coach]

Awesome, Dave! Congrats. Looking forward to the pics, story, and clarification on the pics in this thread.

[BiG Boar]

just skinning out his broken jaw right now....

well, actually, I am swilling back a whisky, and giving lessons.

[ufishifish2]

Good for you BB. Looking forward to hearing the stories and seeing the pics soon.
Enjoy that whiskey!!

[Weatherby Fan]

just skinning out his broken jaw right now....

well, actually, I am swilling back a whisky, and giving lessons.

Good work men,have one for me Dave I'll buy :mrgreen:
Looking forward to the pictures,Thanks for sharing.
WF

[moose2]

Glad to hear you guys connected Dave , looking forward to the pictures. Good luck on your up coming rosie hunt.
Mike

[5 spike]

awesome dave congrats bring on the pics.

[BCHunterTV]

I don't see the comparison of the first one to the others, Any who congrats to your buddy on his hog! Can't wait to see the pictures.


The first 3 goats are the same goat. Goat 4 is different.

And.....

There is a dead 9.5 inch Billy in the back of the truck.

Will post pics soon.

Definitely the hardest hunt of my friends life. 3 hour stalk, 4 hour recovery, back to the trailer 3 hours after dark.

[180grainer]

Goat in the first looks like a nanny. Lots of space between the horns and they're thin.

[Ovis17]

Any luck with the pics....?

[BCbillies]

Me's thinking they may still be recouping from the hardest hunt of their lives and the medicine that followed! :wink: Usually a guy hangs pretty low the week following a good goat hunt.

[BCHunterTV]

:wink: Usually a guy hangs pretty low the week following a good goat hunt.

Goat hunts can be hard on a person

looking fwd to seeing his goat hunt pictures, Dave post up man...we wanna see some pictures of goats

[BiG Boar]

Sorry guys, still haven't even made it home yet! Plus I need to buy a chip reader as I don't have one on my laptop. I have some great pics, but no way to post them that is decent. The pics on here, are pics of the screen of my camera, taken with my phone.

[BiG Boar]

Not to mention I am as sick as a dog and so is brew. We covered something close to 60kms in 4 days. Really really run down.