Anti Bear hunting runt on CBC radio 7:45 a.m.

[silvicon]

Haida are concerned about the killing of bears, bought GO License to be held
'in trust'. Approx. 40 bear per year taken on guided hunts.
Habitat shrank significantly, indians rally to protect being,
restricting # of bears that can be killed, no population studies done,
blah blah blah.

Usual cbc anti-use rant.

[Nathaniel Poe]

As usual, the outfitters screw it up for the rest of us. This started because the outfitter was taking his fatass clients out to blast bears and some videos of them ass shooting bears a dozen times while the bear rolls around in pain made the locals pissed off. Then the outfitters sell out to anti hunting groups, which just shows that they are greedy, and care only about money and nothing about the animals or ensuring that hunting stays alive. All the outfitters see are dollar signs. Outiftter doesn't care that hunting there gets shut down because he gets his money, even though he was the real problem to begin with.

[bigwhiteys]

Then the outfitters sell out to anti hunting groups, which just shows that they are greedy, and care only about money and nothing about the animals or ensuring that hunting stays alive.


Any business owner when looking to sell is going to sell to the person with the $$$$. Anti-Hunting groups and Natives had the cash, or at least they used to... There wasn't a whole lot of "hunter" money ready to go to bat to buy these areas was there...? I can assure you it's not just outfitters giving us a bad name with their published videos etc (although the antis really showcased a select few)... It's ALL hunters, some videos are very well done, others in extremely poor taste. We're all painted with that brush stroke either way. The death of an animal no matter how quick and clean will never bode well with the anti-hunting crowd, even those on the fence.

Carl

[Mr. Dean]

Everyone contributed to this loss.

Resident Hunters weren't vocal enough about it.
GOABC wasn't either.

This issue was looooong time coming and everyone looked to the other, thinking that 'they' would take care of it.
It's not completely over but individuals NEED to seek their own destiny and rally up behind the groups that lobby for thier interests or make some attempt in creating change, themselves.

[lilhoss]

The Ministry of Environment(the government) issues the guides the licence with the intention to harvest animals within a season and to aid with the population control and conservation of the species.Should the puchaser not be forced to utilize the sold licence for the same reasons? If farmers sell their quotas,and no one farms-what's the point.If commercial fishermen sell their licences and quotas,and no one fishes -what's the point.They should be made to sell them to an active guide-outfitter who will utilize them as they were intended.

[Mr. Dean]

The Ministry of Environment(the government) issues the guides the licence with the intention to harvest animals within a season and to aid with the population control and conservation of the species.Should the puchaser not be forced to utilize the sold licence for the same reasons? If farmers sell their quotas,and no one farms-what's the point.If commercial fishermen sell their licences and quotas,and no one fishes -what's the point.They should be made to sell them to an active guide-outfitter who will utilize them as they were intended.

I agree. But if not enough people are willing to take government to task, what's the point?


They'll do whatever pleases them along as it doesn't cost them votes. Like I said; it's not to late to formally hold them acountable - Take some action, there's an old sticky post about in the politics forum...

[houndogger]

Well when there are so many bears roaming the island they are gonna just have to talk to those special bears themselves! The government should not fund any culling of problem bears in the future!

[Nathaniel Poe]

Any business owner when looking to sell is going to sell to the person with the $$$$. Anti-Hunting groups and Natives had the cash, or at least they used to... There wasn't a whole lot of "hunter" money ready to go to bat to buy these areas was there...? I can assure you it's not just outfitters giving us a bad name with their published videos etc (although the antis really showcased a select few)... It's ALL hunters, some videos are very well done, others in extremely poor taste. We're all painted with that brush stroke either way. The death of an animal no matter how quick and clean will never bode well with the anti-hunting crowd, even those on the fence.

Carl

Well, I sure agree with you. The Outfitter had the cash waved in front of him, and he took it. He didn't care where the money was coming from , he just took the cash.

So much for the outfitters saying they believe in proper game management and its all about conservation! No, it's pretty clear it is about the cash!!

And the videos? In this circumstance (QCI) there were particular videos from guided clients making poor shots on bears that got it all stirred up. The reason that this $%^*(O) happened had zero to do with Haida or BC resident hunters and EVERYTHING to do with guided non resident hunters being morons. I've guided for enough years to know what is what.

[bigwhiteys]

Well, I sure agree with you. The Outfitter had the cash waved in front of him, and he took it. He didn't care where the money was coming from , he just took the cash.
So much for the outfitters saying they believe in proper game management and its all about conservation! No, it's pretty clear it is about the cash!!


So an outfitter is supposed to hold onto all that overhead until a buyer you approve of comes along and buys? Right.... When you sell a business it's to whomever has the cash, usually regardless of their morales the entire point is to SELL the business. Just like a piece of shit car you want to get rid of first dude with the cash get's er.


And the videos? In this circumstance (QCI) there were particular videos from guided clients making poor shots on bears that got it all stirred up. The reason that this $%^*(O) happened had zero to do with Haida or BC resident hunters and EVERYTHING to do with guided non resident hunters being morons. I've guided for enough years to know what is what.

Guided hunters being morons? I'd say that has every bit to do with the guide too... Isn't he/she supposed to be supervising?

Carl

[325 wsm]

The point about the outfitter selling to whom he did, for the reasons the new owners wanted to acquire it, is more of the issue. It is like a stab in the back for all who are involved in hunting in B.C. in any way. Unfortunately after 8 years of hassles from "locals" and protesters and virtually no support from residents it probably wasn't to hard to sell it for a good price. You would think GOABC would be doing something to prevent these " transfers " as well.

[weatherby_man]

Unscrupulous behavior is seen everywhere. Unfortunately hunting being constantly under a microscope, anything that is questionable can get used by the anti's and other special interests fighting against us all.

Oh,,,and the anti bear hunting runt?? How small was he or she???

[Mr. Dean]

IMO guy's should save their 'Hate-Ons' for government - Its was them that played the biggest part in these negotiations in using OUR hunting privileges and priority's, as outlined in both the Wildlife Allocations Policy and Provincial Law,, in handing over OUR resource to a special interest group.

Feel free to speak up in the arena that counts - Bitching here about it is fine and all as it raises awareness, but doesn't do diddley-squat in changing the reality of things.

[Coast mountain guy]

IMO this whole problem is started with the use of a camera and you tube!! Why does someone that respect animals and hunting ethics post a garbage shot on a bear and post it on you tube? Filming your hunt I understand but why show everyone on you tube? The amount of antis watching those things is unreal. Keep it to yourself and your buddies and quit posting it for the world to criticize.

[Mr. Dean]

IMO this whole problem is started with the use of a camera and you tube!! Why does someone that respect animals and hunting ethics post a garbage shot on a bear and post it on you tube? Filming your hunt I understand but why show everyone on you tube? The amount of antis watching those things is unreal. Keep it to yourself and your buddies and quit posting it for the world to criticize.

Who knows, maybe it was his one and only chance and something that would never be done again, what ever... Shit happens and bad shots will never end, everyone knows that. The only thing the 'tube' is guilty of, is raising awareness of it thus having a select few (literally) rally against it. All the while hunters sit back and do little to defend their cause.

If each and every resident bear hunter gave a shit and kicked some MLA ass, this thread wouldn't be running; we'd be celebrating a victory and knocking glasses of whiskey together.

[houndogger]

Do you not think the outfitter had no choice? If they cut residents back to 4 how many do you think the outfitter would have?

[325 wsm]

[QUOTE=Coast mountain guy;917901] Why does someone that respect animals and hunting ethics post a garbage shot on a bear and post it on you tube?

the guide gave a copy to a co-worker who's sister (an anti) stole it and posted it on utube. The guide went through what legal process he could to get it removed but apparently it was not copyrighted.