The Badlands 'OX' Pack

[BromBones]

Finally picked mine up a few days ago. All I can say so far, is that I'm impressed. Great potential with this pack, just have to put some miles on it and see how it does in the field.

Lots of interest in these packs, so I'll mention a few things here and try to do a decent review once I've used the pack. So far all I've done is a ~3 km walk with about 30 lbs to get some adjustments done and see how it felt to carry.

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Couple views above of the frame system and bag stuffed with some gear to show the volume. The frame setup is rock solid and very light - aluminum with a matte grey powder-coat style finish. It's bolted together with cam-lock style quick connects (as on a bicycle), and can be dismantled in a minute and stuffed in the main bag if you want to use it as an internal.

The pack has 2 fairly generous hip belt pockets, lid, mid-center pocket, 2 full length side pockets, gun scabbard, and the main compartment. Also has a mesh pocket under the lid for a water bladder. 4400 cu in total. There seems to be a lot of talk on this pack being too small for a multi-day hunt - I say otherwise. I'd have no problems carrying everything I need for a 10 day hunt with this pack, absolutely would not be an issue.

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The harness system feels good, well padded, and has plenty of adjustment for different size torso & hips. I'll have to carry it with a full load for a day to see how well it does, but I can say that after initial adjustments for my torso height, I stuck 30 lbs in it, cinched up the hip belt, snugged down the shoulder straps and lifters, the pack felt very good.

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[BromBones]

Another option with the pack is the extra-load carrying ability. You slide the main bag away from the frame, and expose the meat hauler inside. Stack the meat up against the frame and cinch up the orange 'rack', then suck the main bag back up to the frame and you're off - or detach the main bag and come back for it if needed.

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Here it is shown next to a loaded Badlands 2800 pack -

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And again using the load hauler, the same full 2800 pack is loaded on to the frame using the meat rack, and sandwiched with the main bag. I'm fairly certain you could heap more weight on this thing than you'd ever dream of carrying.

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The curved frame rails along with the fact that the main bag rides in between the rails, close to your back, gives it a tight center of gravity. It was noticeable right away with 30 lbs in the pack - felt much more like my big internal pack rather than a typical frame pack. Again, I'll have to see how it does with full loads to really form an opinion there.

One thing I will be changing, is swapping out those quick release bolt/locks on the frame for standard allen-head bolts, and carry a small allen wrench if I want to dismantle the frame. Not that I don't trust them as they work well, I'd just rather have a simpler and more reliable setup.

Another mod I'll do to the pack is place a few grommets on each side of the frame, inside the holes drilled through the rails. They will make excellent versatile tie-down points for strapping extra gear on the pack or tying down a cumbersome set of caribou or elk antlers, but without grommets in the holes you'd be fraying/cutting your tie-down cord on the frame.

Once again this pack is 4400 cubes, and weighs 9 lbs and change. I ordered this pack from Grouse River Outfitters for ~$550 shipped to my door - the best price I found, including south of the border. Great customer service from Grouse River, as always.

Will add on as I use the pack.

Cheers.

[troutseeker]

Seems interesting, are you going to the Wild Sheep banquet in Kamloops? I'm sure attendees would like to have a look at it, I would.

[todbartell]

I got one in mid November. Took it out for a few hunts, I like it. Probably like it even more when I get to pack out some meat. :D I took the external frame off and put it inside the pack to reduce noise when still hunting deer in the timber. I took the middle strap off the orange meat bag and snap it over the bag to keep it tight to the frame. I also have a Sitka Bivy 45 but it's not as good as a meat hauler as the Ox will be

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[Kyle84]

I checked the webpage and it says the OX has a rifle carrying compartment. Can you show us a rifle with it in it, just curious.

[MuleyMadness]

How far out does the pack really extend when you have your smaller pack sandwiched in between to simulate some meat? Only reason I ask as it's somewhat hard to tell from the pics, and I do find that sometimes a pack that sticks out a lot in the back is harder to hike with than one that is longer/denser. Do you think it will work well in that regards, or is it WAY out there (some Eberlestock packs seem to be this way as well with a mambo load)?

[BromBones]

How far out does the pack really extend when you have your smaller pack sandwiched in between to simulate some meat? Only reason I ask as it's somewhat hard to tell from the pics, and I do find that sometimes a pack that sticks out a lot in the back is harder to hike with than one that is longer/denser. Do you think it will work well in that regards, or is it WAY out there (some Eberlestock packs seem to be this way as well with a mambo load)?

I think it will be fine. The smaller pack is sorta just stuck in there for display.:)

If you were packing out de-boned meat, you'd want to lay the pack down and pile the meat along the entire length of the frame as evenly as you can, and then tighten things up. Would keep the load spread out/closer to your back and the main bag would not be sticking out that far.

[BromBones]

Seems interesting, are you going to the Wild Sheep banquet in Kamloops? I'm sure attendees would like to have a look at it, I would.

No, won't be able to make it this year.

[MuleyMadness]

I think it will be fine. The smaller pack is sorta just stuck in there for display.:)

If you were packing out de-boned meat, you'd want to lay the pack down and pile the meat along the entire length of the frame as evenly as you can, and then tighten things up. Would keep the load spread out/closer to your back and the main bag would not be sticking out that far.

Yeah it was just the scale that was confusing me. Looked like the frame was shorter than normal, but looking again (with the profile and the big pack behind) it seems quite good length wise.

Really looking forward to your indepth observations once you've had a chance to put it through its paces.

[BromBones]

I checked the webpage and it says the OX has a rifle carrying compartment. Can you show us a rifle with it in it, just curious.

You can see the scabbard in the 2nd picture at the bottom of the pack, which can be removed if not needed. It holds the butt of the rifle, and you can tie down the forestock or barrel using the daisy chain that you see on the middle of the pack. Pretty basic setup. I'll set a rifle up in it and post a pic.

[Iltasyuko]

So how long of a backpack trip could this pack be used for - how many days worth of gear /food could you load in it?

[300H&H]

I bought the Bad Lands "bino case".
It takes the load off my neck.
Storage compartments inside.
Hydration bag optional.
Good quality & value.
I give it 2 thumbs up.

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[BromBones]

So how long of a backpack trip could this pack be used for - how many days worth of gear /food could you load in it?

I'll do 10 days with this pack no problem, 2 weeks if I have my dog packing some gear for me. Otherwise I'd probably be tying on a small gearbag for some extra capacity for a 2 week trip.

[Iltasyuko]

Sounds like it will hold a good amount of gear - nice looking product for sure. I think they should also make non camo packs, forest green, black and a hunter plaid would be great.

[bc cooker]

Nice stuff! Have been looking for a multi like that. Didn't look into that one yet....but now I definitely will. Thanks for info and pics.

[BromBones]

Bump for the Ox Pack -

Have logged ~ 100 km with the pack as of now, maybe a few more. Mostly road hiking, hitting some fairly steep grades to get the legs burning, and some timber hiking. Gonna wait til the snow leaves to do my local mountain trail.

I got these water jugs to use as training tools - two of them fit snug into the frame for a total of 54 lbs which is roughly on par with my sheep pack weight from last year.

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After doing around 60 km total carrying the water jugs, I could feel the 'stretch' being taken out of the suspension as the shoulder and hip belts started to conform to my torso with the loaded pack - basically felt like it was broken in. I did some minor adjustments with the suspension after that point to get everything 'tight' again, and the pack felt great, much better than it did during my first stretch of hikes. I haven't made any adjustments since.

I can tell you that this pack carries like a dream. The frame design keeps the load pretty well pressed tight against your back. Center of gravity and balance is excellent. This pack indeed carries like an internal in that regard, no question about it. Suspension and padding is comfortable and hasn't produced any rubbing or sore spots. It does not squeak, creak, or groan under load either. The frame is also compact enough that it makes going through thick brush and dodging overhead obstacles a little easier than with some frame packs that have the frame top sticking up to/beyond the top of your head. The meat rack and load cinch system works great as well, you can really suck it down to keep your load tight without tying extra cord on the pack.

I'll go a few more weeks yet with this weight, and then bump the weight up to about 80 lbs. If I can find any issues with the pack I'll be sure to add them, until then I'll keep lugging it around.:-D

Cheers

[Buck]

Excellant keep us posted.

[BromBones]

As requested by a few members here, a few photos of how to attach a rifle to the OX Pack. Like most packs there are no instructions on use, so it's pretty much open to interpretation by the user.

Couple pics here of carrying rifle on the back of the pack -

What I've done here is shove the barrel through the two red loops on the back - one is on the top lid and the other is on the mid/outer pocket. Then buckled the scabbard into the clips closer to the bottom of the pack. Holds pretty secure.

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And similar here, but now I've got it strapped a little tighter. Take the side compression straps and lengthen them out most of the way, and bring them over to the corresponding buckle on the opposite side of the pack. You can use two or four or whatever you feel you need. Also with this method the compression straps are still working to keep your load cinched down.

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Next photo is similar setup as above but with one more added attachment point. I've got an extra strap running through the loop on the front of the scabbard, and through the straps that hold the bedroll on. This keeps the butt of the rifle tied down a little tighter if your like, but is a little overkill unless you plan on tossing the pack off a cliff and need the rifle to stay on.

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And one more quick method - using a buckled strap to secure the rifle to the daisy chain loops. Works well and is a little quicker to remove the rifle if you're in a hurry.

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I'll add one more post on side-carrying the rifle shortly.

[BromBones]

Few more methods -

First a pic of the scabbard itself - You can buckle it in to the lower part of the pack as shown in the first few pics of carrying rifle on the back, or you can buckle it in loops as shown which allows you to attach it pretty much anywhere on the pack that you can make it fit.

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Now some with it attached to the side. Here I've got the scabbard buckled on to the lower side compression strap of the pack, and used the upper side comp. strap to secure it.

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Similar here, but I've got the side compression strap running through the loop on the front side of the scabbard, and cinched down in two spots - one with the upper compression strap, and another using the top lid compression strap. Carries a little high for my liking but would be fine for open country/alpine.

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And another method, I've got the scabbard buckled on to one of the bedroll straps at the bottom of the pack, and the rifle cinched down using the two side comp. straps and the top lid compression strap. Really secure method and the one I prefer for side carrying.

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You can also simply hang the rifle sling over the side rail of the frame and buckle the rifle in using the side comp. straps and leave the scabbard at home.

[BromBones]

Couple more pics of attachment points that seem to have some uncertainty on how to use.

These clips seem a little goofy to use but they do work. Couple hiking poles attached to the pack -

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And a closeup view of how they go together -

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Once you pinch them together as shown and suck them up tight, the tension locks the clip together.

There is a video review of this pack on youtube with some meathead telling you to use these to hold your rifle to the pack. Probably shouldn't do that unless you want the rifle to fall off. Bad idea.:-D

Hopefully this helps for you guys that were wondering about rifle carrying methods with the OX Pack.

Cheers

[ianwuzhere]

great review- now if only someone in town had one to look at :(

[Slee]

Great review! I would like to see how you make out sheep hunting with this pack.....

[BromBones]

great review- now if only someone in town had one to look at :(

Omineca Sports has had them stocked in the past, but I don't know if they've got any now. You'd have to ask the man.


Great review! I would like to see how you make out sheep hunting with this pack.....

Me too! Looking forward to it. Gonna head out easter weekend for a 3-4 day backpack trip for bears & finally get to really 'try' the pack out, hopefully with extra weight on the trip out ;)

[huntcoop]

BromBones, did that clip-on gun scabbard come with it or was it a seperate purchase?

[BromBones]

Scabbard comes with the pack.

[Devilbear]

I am always trying to learn more about backpacking and hunting with a self-contained camp in my pack and am curious as to one aspect of your posts. Several, of the most experienced sheep backpack hunters here use packs for 10-14 day trips that are roughly 6000-7000 cu. in. in capacity and I have found this size to be what seems to work best for me, in many years of backpacking all over BC.

So, if you have time, would you help we who are interested and post the list of everything that you would carry in this pack on one of your 10-14 day trips and also give the weight of this total camp, as the pack seems a bit too small to me, but, different guys have different methods of attaining the same goal and I would like to see if there are still ways and old geezer like me can reduce his packload even further.

Thanks, for any help you can offer.

[Razor84]

Imagine a thousand pound grizz charging down the trail at you when you're trying to unbuckle a half dozen jimmy rigged straps off your rifle. No thanks.

[bigwhiteys]

Imagine a thousand pound grizz charging down the trail at you when you're trying to unbuckle a half dozen jimmy rigged straps off your rifle. No thanks.
Pretty much f%&&ed either way!

Carl

[300H&H]

Where is the best deal for the Ox Pack ?
Would it on line or at a store ?

[BromBones]

Devilbear, no doubt the pack is on the small end for extended trips. That's why I have a packdog :)

Going solo though, I'd definitely have to pack smart with it, rather than stuff it full and reef on the zippers until it closes (or not) :) One thing I've been trying out is using the compression straps and 'meat shelf', between the frame and the bag, to pack some items. Anything that can be folded flat - tent, sil tarp, rain gear, etc., can be folded up flat to fit between the frame rails and sandwiched in when I pull the main bag back up to the frame. Thin clothing articles like undershirts, long ginch, light fleece, etc can be folded up the same way and placed in a plastic garbage bag (I always carry one or two anyways) to keep dry, and packed in the same manner. This frees up quite a bit of volume in the pack to make space for extra days food. I'm used to big volume, top loading packs, and have been learning a few things on packing 'neat'.

Like I said earlier, if I wanted to go 14 days I'd be loading more gear on my dog, or tying gearbags on to the pack. I picked up a couple 13 liter ultra-sil drybags for that purpose. They weigh next to nothing, and adding two on the pack bumps it up to just over 6000 cu. in. total if I need it.

Once my spring grizzly hunt is finished with, I'm going to get the pack loaded up with my food and gear for my sheep hunt in August (9 days this year) so I can start hiking with it to get everything sorted out how I want it. Once I've done that I'll list everything that I've got loaded in the pack and you can decide if I'm going to starve and freeze to death or not :)

[BromBones]

Where is the best deal for the Ox Pack ?
Would it on line or at a store ?

Grouse River Outfitters was the best $$ I found.

[snareman1234]

Devilbear, no doubt the pack is on the small end for extended trips. That's why I have a packdog :)

Going solo though, I'd definitely have to pack smart with it, rather than stuff it full and reef on the zippers until it closes (or not) :) One thing I've been trying out is using the compression straps and 'meat shelf', between the frame and the bag, to pack some items. Anything that can be folded flat - tent, sil tarp, rain gear, etc., can be folded up flat to fit between the frame rails and sandwiched in when I pull the main bag back up to the frame. Thin clothing articles like undershirts, long ginch, light fleece, etc can be folded up the same way and placed in a plastic garbage bag (I always carry one or two anyways) to keep dry, and packed in the same manner. This frees up quite a bit of volume in the pack to make space for extra days food. I'm used to big volume, top loading packs, and have been learning a few things on packing 'neat'.

Like I said earlier, if I wanted to go 14 days I'd be loading more gear on my dog, or tying gearbags on to the pack. I picked up a couple 13 liter ultra-sil drybags for that purpose. They weigh next to nothing, and adding two on the pack bumps it up to just over 6000 cu. in. total if I need it.

Once my spring grizzly hunt is finished with, I'm going to get the pack loaded up with my food and gear for my sheep hunt in August (9 days this year) so I can start hiking with it to get everything sorted out how I want it. Once I've done that I'll list everything that I've got loaded in the pack and you can decide if I'm going to starve and freeze to death or not :)


Just you and the dog on the sheep hunt? How are you going to get a whole sheep, cape and horns aswell as all your gear out?

[BromBones]

Just you and the dog on the sheep hunt? How are you going to get a whole sheep, cape and horns aswell as all your gear out?

?????

We'll pack it out.....

[snareman1234]

?????

We'll pack it out.....

But you will have enough room? I dont know how many Cu.i a dog pack has at all, but I was just thinkin that all your gear for those 9 days should just about fill that 4000cu,i....so when you get all that meat, a cape and horns I was just curious where all that will go?

[todbartell]

Brombones said he has a couple 13 litre add ons he could use if needed

[snareman1234]

Brombones said he has a couple 13 litre add ons he could use if needed

Oh perfect then! your set, lay one down!

[BromBones]

But you will have enough room? I dont know how many Cu.i a dog pack has at all, but I was just thinkin that all your gear for those 9 days should just about fill that 4000cu,i....so when you get all that meat, a cape and horns I was just curious where all that will go?

The pack is 4500 cubes. If you check out some of the first posts I made in this thread, you can see pics of how to pack meat with the OX. The main bag pulls away from the frame and exposes a meat rack and some compression straps. A deer/sheep sized critter de-boned will fit nicely if spread out along the frame. You cinch the meat up, and then tighten the main bag back up to the frame and give 'r. The meat is sandwiched between the frame and the bag, close to your back. That's one of the reasons I went with this pack, you can get away with a smaller volume pack but still have the ability to pack out a good load of meat.

The dog can carry quite a load as well - whether I get him to pack meat or take some of my gear, he'll easily lighten my load by ~25 lbs or so. :)

[lone wolf]

Hey thanx for all the pics and info . I won,t trust those goofy clips with anything .

[ianwuzhere]

Just picked up my new Badlands ox pack. Thanx for creating this thread-very helpful. It looks to be a great pack!!

[knockturnal]

If youd rather not deal with Grouse River, they have one in at Hardcore Archery too.

[BromBones]

Just picked up my new Badlands ox pack. Thanx for creating this thread-very helpful. It looks to be a great pack!!

Right on! Let us know how you like it after it gets some use. With any luck I'll be tying a grizz hide on mine in a couple weeks. :)

[Buck]

Right on! Let us know how you like it after it gets some use. With any luck I'll be tying a grizz hide on mine in a couple weeks. :)

How does that pack ride on the hips ?

[BromBones]

How does that pack ride on the hips ?

Very comfortable, no issues I can find. I've found it's pretty forgiving with the adjustments. I've had packs that were really sensitive to making adjustments - harder to get to a good balance between pressure on your hips and shoulders. This one you just tighten things up and go. I think it's alot to do with the frame design keeping the weight so close to your back - don't have to be as precise with the adjustments to make it comfortable.

[shed-hunter1]

thanks for the info i picked one up at the kamloops gun show for 400 cant wait to try it out

[ianwuzhere]

Very comfortable, no issues I can find. I've found it's pretty forgiving with the adjustments. I've had packs that were really sensitive to making adjustments - harder to get to a good balance between pressure on your hips and shoulders. This one you just tighten things up and go. I think it's alot to do with the frame design keeping the weight so close to your back - don't have to be as precise with the adjustments to make it comfortable.


X2-adjustments are easy and so far it feels good- lots of good padding as well.

[yak-hunter]

The goofy clips on mine are way less goofy now that I turned them right way around - mine came with the clips assembled backwards, and it looks like yours did too. I undid the clip on the end of the bungees, pulled them out of the little holes in the pack, turned it upside down and fed it back in (fiddly) so that the smaller end comes through the legs of the bigger bit before clipping them together. Now it seems secure and works as a quiet quick-release.

Anyone dealt with the warranty folks? I have a blown zipper.


Couple more pics of attachment points that seem to have some uncertainty on how to use.

These clips seem a little goofy to use but they do work. Couple hiking poles attached to the pack -

http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad344/ursusarctos/IMG_0109.jpg

And a closeup view of how they go together -

http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad344/ursusarctos/IMG_0110.jpg

Once you pinch them together as shown and suck them up tight, the tension locks the clip together.

There is a video review of this pack on youtube with some meathead telling you to use these to hold your rifle to the pack. Probably shouldn't do that unless you want the rifle to fall off. Bad idea.:-D

Hopefully this helps for you guys that were wondering about rifle carrying methods with the OX Pack.

Cheers

[jackpine]

That pack is not well made...it will fall apart on you!!!Get your money back and buy something else!!!I waited 3 months for warranty,finally I just took the refund after waiting all hunting season.

[flyinguy]

Great warranty.....bought my OX pack here off the site...with a torn zipper. Sent off to Badlands for repair....less than a week later it back in my house with a whole new lower waist belt. Nothing but excellence from Badlands.

[flyinguy]

Forgot to mention......repair/replacement was free. I bought it used...warranty is the best out there.

[casper359]

I have had one of these packs and i found i could never get it to feel proper on my back. I fiddled with it but gave up and gave to a friend. he loves it. I went to a eberlestock j107 love it, also got a outdoorsman long range and its equally as good. Might even be better since it has a external pack frame. I must say though badlands warranty is pretty awesome. My dog chewed a bunch of straps and buckles on my ox and they fixed it no complaints. They have also fixed my super day twice and both times it only took 2weeks round trip. Badlands outerwear through has really small pocket openings and i couldnt fit my hands in without almost tearing it. No my hands are average size hehe.

[blaker_99]

I've owned my ox now for 4 years. Hunting alpine to thick the pack performs superbly at what it's designed for, meat hauling. Check your size there are different sizes and yes this makes a world of difference. What more can I say but they have an unconditional lifetime warrenty that is Awsome and I've used it twice once for a broken zipper and the other was a little wear and tear and both times within a week I had a new pack. Awsome customer service and a durable meat hauler better than any I've tried. The Ox and the j107 are not even in the same league in my experience.

[GOLDEN TOP SNIPER]

i found the Outdoors man optics hunter pack system that buddy from the meat eater show has interesting . has anyone use one before ? looks like a few different models to chose from .

[casper359]

[QUOTE=GOLDEN TOP SNIPER;1652002]i found the Outdoors man optics hunter pack system that buddy from the meat eater show has interesting . has anyone use one before ? looks like a few different models to chose from .[/QUOTE
I got one a month ago. I love it. Feels great on my back. Super well thought out

[GOLDEN TOP SNIPER]

oh really Casper . where did you get it ? could you keep us posted on a review ..

[horshur]

i found the Outdoors man optics hunter pack system that buddy from the meat eater show has interesting . has anyone use one before ? looks like a few different models to chose from .

I have one and used it last few years..I like it a lot but it is not rigid enough for truly heavy loads....it is a very versatile every day pack. Maybe tops out at 80 pounds...hauled more but it was torture.

[BlacktailStalker]

My brother broke his the minute he lifted it loaded with a grizzly hyde, brand new, a week old.
I did the same thing this year with a Kuiu carbon frame and a black bear hyde.
Garbage.
Kifaru with the load shelf is the best heavy hauler I've used to date. I've got the G2 model I believe. Packed 180lb loads with it several kms (double quarters)
My only complaint is the shoulder straps could be a bit wider.

[casper359]

My brother broke his the minute he lifted it loaded with a grizzly hyde, brand new, a week old.
I did the same thing this year with a Kuiu carbon frame and a black bear hyde.
Garbage.
Kifaru with the load shelf is the best heavy hauler I've used to date. I've got the G2 model I believe. Packed 180lb loads with it several kms (double quarters)
My only complaint is the shoulder straps could be a bit wider. was it the ox pack and kuiu pack that broke?

[BlacktailStalker]

Yes both the Ox and Kuiu broke. I'm happy it was within a couple km of the quad both times and not a backpack hunt !

[casper359]

oh really Casper . where did you get it ? could you keep us posted on a review ..
ordered it from the states. outdoormans store in az. dont think ill right a big review but will post here once i get back from my fly in hunt.


I have one and used it last few years..I like it a lot but it is not rigid enough for truly heavy loads....it is a very versatile every day pack. Maybe tops out at 80 pounds...hauled more but it was torture. hmm i have been testing it out and it seem alright so far on my hikes. with 60 or so. but i have also been thinking it might not cut it on moose quarters. any one ever tried a tenzing cf13?