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IronNoggin
02-15-2011, 01:52 PM
Statement by Gail Shea, Minister of Fisheries and Oceans - Pacific Halibut February 15, 2011

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OTTAWA, ONTARIO – The Honourable Gail Shea, Minister of Fisheries and Oceans, today issued the following statement:

Our Government understands the value and significance of the Pacific halibut fishery to British Columbians. The current sharing formula, which allocates 88% of the harvest to commercial fishermen and 12% to recreational harvesters, has been in place since 2003. Since then there have been a number of attempts by representatives of each sector to develop an acceptable way to transfer allocation between them.

The most recent round of discussions took place throughout 2010. I’m disappointed to report that those discussions have reached an impasse and stakeholders have been unable to reach a consensus, Because of this, a ministerial decision is required to move forward for the 2011 season.

As Canada’s Minister of Fisheries and Oceans, I have been entrusted with managing our precious marine resources responsibly and sustainably. This responsibility includes ensuring that we meet our various international obligations with regards to conservation. All fish management decisions are made to meet the following three priorities: conservation, sustainability of the fishery and economic viability. It is with these in mind that I announce the following:

The 2011 Pacific halibut recreational fishing season will open March 1st. Recreational anglers with a tidal license will be able to catch one halibut per day with two in possession.

Our Government recognizes the value of the recreational fishery to British Columbians and the economic opportunities it provides. Therefore, for the 2011 season only, we will undertake a trial to make available to interested recreational stakeholders experimental licenses that will allow them to lease quota from commercial harvesters. This will provide access to halibut beyond the limits of the standard recreational license, giving those who choose to participate greater stability for business planning purposes.

As for the future, clearly it is in the best interests of all sectors to come to a long-term solution that recognizes the important contribution each makes to British Columbia. To achieve this, I have asked my Parliamentary Secretary, Randy Kamp, Member of Parliament from Pitt Meadows-Maple Ridge-Mission, to work with my officials to develop options for my consideration prior to the start of the 2012 season. These options will need to meet the following objectives:

•Conservation of the resource through enhanced monitoring of the recreational fishery, thereby keeping all halibut fisheries accountable for maintaining catches within the total allowable catch.

•Economic prosperity through predictable access for all users.

•Flexibility through an effective mechanism for transfers between the sectors.
I have long held the belief that those who participate in and depend on a fishery to make their living need to be able to provide input into how that fishery is managed. Ideally, that happens in a collaborative and constructive manner. Many stakeholders from both sectors have clearly articulated their current positions, but I encourage continued dialogue about new approaches between interested parties and my officials. The sooner a permanent solution is found, the sooner British Columbians can put uncertainty behind them and look forward to a viable future for this fishery.

For more information:

Frank Stanek
Media Relations
Fisheries and Oceans Canada
613-990-7537
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OUCH! Couldn't have received a much firmer dismissal. http://fishbcforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif

I see a couple of strategies left to the Colation now:

First: NONE of the charter groups should buy any of these new proto-type Licenses nor any additional quota. If any single one calves, they drag the rest of us down into acceptance of this madness. This directly appears to be following the Alaskan model, wherein those who play ball eventually end up being the only ones allowed to fish, and the rest be damned. Further this is an obvious tactic on DFO's part to create even more division amongst the recreational sector, thus I am not at all surprised they are attempting to rely on that age-old (and to now extremely reliable) card once again.
Methinks it would behoove the Coalition to get the Don't Do It message across to all, as soon as possible. The old What if they held a party and nobody showed analogy applies well here.

Second: We have an election coming up. Is everyone involved determined enough to both vote against and campaign against the government that has screwed us over once again? I would hope so. In fact I am going so far as to phone Lunney, thank him for his support in this cause, but sadly informing him that due to the actions of his government, I simply can not vote for him again. This will also be sent in letter form, as will similar letters to Shea and the PM. Thanks for the message - here, in a very similar tone is our reply.

Methinks at this point they simply want us to throw our hands in the air and walk away. Worst possible thing we could do. In fact the very reverse should be true now, and we should up the pressure as much as we feasibly can.

For the long term, methinks we now must find a way to bring the other two sectors to the table with us. The deep-pocket absentee Fish Brokers have had their way, and are likely giggling contentedly over just how they were able to fix that particular little red wagon. Enough. The end result of their expensive and effective lobbying campaign is the working fisherman still produces more income for his absentee Fish Lord than he realizes for his own efforts, and the recreational fleet is once again left holding the bag. Most of us recognize that as wrong. Methinks enough of the Real Fishermen likely think along similar lines, but are simply muzzled by those that hold access privileges over them. The time for us to work together to right that wrong has come. This doesn't have to occur overnight, Shea has drawn her line in the sand for this season. But methinks we had best take advantage of the time preceding next year's continuation of the problem to form a United Front with those amongst the commercial fleet who are willing to do so. Those forced into lease situations actually have more to gain from abolishing absentee ownership than the recreational fleet does. Thus I believe there exist distinct possibilities of moving forward in this fashion. And I would like to be amongst the first to note that I am willing to donate whatever time and energy is required to make this happen. I see little other recourse at this juncture...

I am pissed, but I am not overly surprised. DFO's tactics of shuffling the deck and tossing out piecemeal offerings directly designed to deflect from their own back yard while maximizing internal both inter and infra-sectoral dissent has proven effective for them in the past. So again, no surprise they rely on just that once again. Are we "Man" enough to meet the challenge of forgoing their "offer" and working collectively with all user groups to find a more equitable solution? I sincerely hope so. Otherwise all of our efforts to date have been a considerable waste...

Not so damn cheery,
Matt

Sitkaspruce
02-15-2011, 02:24 PM
Matt

This sucks!!!!! But is no real surprise. The cards have been on the table for a long time, and as you say, they were really just shuffled.

One question, how are the rec stakeholders going to ensure that NO ONE buys quota??? I can understand most lodges, but how about the OB group, or the other big ones, and how about the ones that are owned by non Canadians??

I can see them saying screw you, I have the clientel to pay for it, so I am going to do it.

Oh, as much as I disagree with what has happened, I just do not see any other political party wanting to make any changes, so my vote might just stay the same as last time.....

Cheers

SS

Mr. Dean
02-15-2011, 02:36 PM
Are we "Man" enough to meet the challenge of forgoing their "offer"


There's still waaaaaay to many sheep. The *likely* reality is, the rec sector will roll w/ the punches that DFO is throwing - In my most humblest of opinions; the sheep that'll wanna fish the 'new way', will. And MANY will actually applaud this 'Golden Opportunity'. :sad:


Pizzed Off :mad:
Dean.

IronNoggin
02-15-2011, 02:42 PM
NEWS RELEASE
For Immediate Release
February 15, 2011
B.C. Sportfishing Coalition

SPORT FISHERS SLAM HALIBUT PLAN
RICHMOND – The B.C. Sportfishing Coalition panned Fisheries Minister Gail Shea’s plan for the 2011 recreational halibut fishery. “Minister Shea and Conservative MPs in B.C. have abandoned recreational anglers and sided with a small group of well-connected commercial quota holders,” said coalition spokesperson Rob Alcock. “The decision to leave the halibut allocation policy unchanged will punish recreational anglers, the businesses that support them, and the thousands of people who are employed in sport fishing in the province.”

In 2003, former Fisheries Minister Robert Thibault allocated 88% of Canada’s Total Allowable Catch (TAC) of halibut to 436 commercial quota holders and allocated 12% to the province’s 100,000 recreational halibut anglers. Recreational anglers have long opposed the policy and argued that it privatizes Canada’s common-property halibut resource.

Since 2003, recreational anglers have faced shortened seasons and a 50% reduction in catch limits. During the same period, commercial halibut quota became a tradable commodity and in 2010 less than half of the 436 commercial quota holders actually fished their catch. The rest simply leased out their rights and collected royalty cheques.

Amazingly, while DFO claims that the commercial fishery is accountable, DFO staff now acknowledge that they do not know who actually owns the 436 commercial quotas that control 88% of Canada’s halibut TAC.

“Shea’s suggestion that individual anglers can now seek to lease quota from commercial quota holders is confirmation of her view that Canada’s halibut resource is private property owned by the lucky few,” said Alcock. “Over the past two months, recreational anglers have held meetings, written letters and sought the support of B.C.’s Conservative
MPs. I expect they will remember this decision when those MP’s look to anglers for support in the coming months,” said Alcock.

For more information please contact:
Rob Alcock
B.C. Sportfishing Coalition
778-868-8779

Tyee
02-15-2011, 03:49 PM
I am more of a militant thinking person I would take it to our MPs DOORS.This is not just a BC fishery. These MPs just seem to think we are all passive, well bullshit to that. If we stick together as a group call it what you want UNION OF SPORT FISHERS. We can make the change, we have the numbers. My choice would be to block Victoria Harbour first.. Then ramp it up. If you are Union other Unions will not cross that line, meaning Commercial Unions, if so its all out war. I am tired of been walked on by a few and its time we started walking ourselves and have pride in our stance. If you got the money you can fish more......Bullshit I am PISSED.

IronNoggin
02-15-2011, 04:35 PM
One question, how are the rec stakeholders going to ensure that NO ONE buys quota??? I can understand most lodges, but how about the OB group, or the other big ones, and how about the ones that are owned by non Canadians??
I can see them saying screw you, I have the clientel to pay for it, so I am going to do it.SS

Pointed, In Your Face Boycott Campaigns, including Public Awareness activities just outside of their gates. Peer pressure is an awesome thing at times. Why face that type of pressure from your own Allies?


There's still waaaaaay to many sheep. The *likely* reality is, the rec sector will roll w/ the punches that DFO is throwing

Thankfully not all are Sheeple. There are a great many of us now that are anything but on this issue. DFO could not have forced us to organize against them any better if they had tried. Far too many are now pissed off enough to finally Do Something! Can this possibly mean the end of the recreational sector's well understood APATHY that this particular Ministry has used so often, and so effectively against us! I am hopeful!!

Letter to MP James Lunney, Minister Shea and PM Harper sent this date:

""Dear Mr. Lunney,

First I would like to personally thank you for fine performance as our local MP, and your recent outspoken involvement in the halibut allocation issue. Your words were certainly well appreciated, and I only wish that more of your colleagues could perceive the significant importance of this matter to BC's economy.

Unfortunately Minister Shea today produced a statement on this very issue that completely ignores the voting public, directly furthers the Department's assertion that this resource largely "belongs" in the hands of a very select few (a direct contravention of a previous related Supreme Court decision and very unlikely to withstand the test of Law) and furthers that privatization by the creation of yet another "commercial" sector.

In a query to all Conservative MP's early this spring, Prime Minister Harper noted he was actively seeking input as to mechanisms to increase economic activity nation-wide. At that time I applauded his efforts, firmly believing his intentions in this regard were sound. However today's announcement flies directly in the face of that. There are literally thousands of people in BC whose jobs rely both directly and indirectly to the recreational fishing sector's activities. The direct and spin-off benefits are immense. However this has obviously been ignored in favor of a select few who provide very little in the way of economic input in comparison. Thus I find PM Harper's words more than misleading, something I consider a very serious matter.

I understand that there are those in your Cabinet that believe this matter will now simply go away. Rest assured, it will not. In fact the opposite is likely true given that the desires of the voting public have been so gravenly ignored. The groundswell of support this matter created amongst the "Common Man" is not localized to British Columbia, and in fact is wide-spread right across our entire Nation. Few things get the voting public as disappointed as having their wishes and desires blatantly ignored in favor of making a select wealthy few even wealthier. I firmly believe you are about to witness the manifestation of that disappointment into action.

I have always been a long-term supporter of the Conservatives, both at the voting booth, in donations, and active discussions with my peers. Therefore it is with a heavy heart that I now find myself writing you to inform you of my decision to withdraw any and all such support for the Conservative Party. I very much feel for yourself being caught up in this mess, however it is very much a mess created by your own government, and alas you - as their representative - must pay the price.

Unless something very dramatic occurs in the next short while, I will find myself actively and openly campaigning alongside the thousands of like-minded anglers, who rightfully feel they have been seriously let down, AGAINST your Party's continued governance.

I am cc'ing this letter to the DFO Minister who made such an improper (and very likely Illegal) ruling as well as PM Harper. The message from here is clear: You have well overstepped your bounds in turning a Common Property Resource into a Privately Traded Commodity, in directly ignoring the desires of the voting public, and in creating undue stress on BC's struggling economy. In doing so your government has raised the ire of a Sleeping Giant. Unfortunate that you, and those amongst your colleagues that feel as you have indicated, must suffer for the wrongful decisions of another. But alas, I see no other recourse at this juncture.

I would be pleasantly surprised to receive a realistic response from yourself, and those this message has been cc'd to. This is a very significant turning point for me and many Canadians. I would however request that the cc'd parties please refrain from the platitude of yet another mass produced, say nothing response.

Regretfully,
J. Matt Stabler"

The Hermit
02-15-2011, 04:35 PM
Let me start by saying that my understanding of this issue is very limited so if I've misunderstood something please just clarify where and don't crucify me, okay?

It seems to me that part of the problem is an inadequate distinction between the two camps - recreational and commercial. I'm guessing that DFO sees that the "recreational" fishery is actually just a subset of the commercial fishery with 100's of small charter businesses, guides, and some big operators like OB Group. If so, then they likely see all the noise being made by one part of the commercial fishery demanding a bigger share of the catch from the other part of the commercial fishery and aren't really caring too much about Uncle Bill and the kids out jigging on a Sunday.

Does this decision really affect the guy with a small boat that wants to catch a couple halli a month to feed family and friends? Probably not much, so until the coalition can convince the public at large that their rights and privileges are being trampled on then little is likely to change even if all 1000 guides and bait sellers vote for the Lib or Dippers.

Help me understand why I should get my panties in a knot over this. To me it would be like the small plot logging companies grieving TFL's GIVEN to the big international outfits. Personally I'd like to see a system whereby allocation is determined annually depending on how many resident anglers buy licenses by a given date and then on a reasonable catch limit (conservation first) the rest of the catch be divied up to the commercial fisheries.

I also suspect that the reality is the Government sees this whole thing from a $ & ¢ perspective and doesn't give a shit who catches the allocation as long as they drive revenue!

Mr. Dean
02-15-2011, 08:15 PM
Hermie, it's like this.... Consider that the bulk of deer were allocated to commercial harvesters (GO's) and that YOU like to hunt yours either mid or late season BUT all the quota has been taken; you don't get your turn UNLESS you're willing to pay premium to the commercial sectors.

The struggle isn't over conservation, it's over whom should have privilege to the common resource. I used to spend 5k anually on my self done halibut adventures. Since it got cut to 1 fish/day, I havent wet a line.... If there's not a concern, why can't I feed my family? Making a BIG TRIP for 2 fish, just doesn't make sense. IMO, DFO WANTS us out.

The Hermit
02-15-2011, 08:39 PM
Ah yes that totally sucks as guys in small boats wouldn't be able to weather the shitty ocean storms in the early season!

islandgirl
02-15-2011, 08:39 PM
Thanks for the post Matt..
Like you said, Dfo/Shea still trying to divide the sporties up. I will be writing more letters, but getting tired of the BS..I think of what the protestors in the Clayquot etc. did to the logging industry.. They got noticed and got front page press!

Spy
02-15-2011, 08:51 PM
I am more of a militant thinking person I would take it to our MPs DOORS.This is not just a BC fishery. These MPs just seem to think we are all passive, well bullshit to that. If we stick together as a group call it what you want UNION OF SPORT FISHERS. We can make the change, we have the numbers. My choice would be to block Victoria Harbour first.. Then ramp it up. If you are Union other Unions will not cross that line, meaning Commercial Unions, if so its all out war. I am tired of been walked on by a few and its time we started walking ourselves and have pride in our stance. If you got the money you can fish more......Bullshit I am PISSED.

Lets hook up our boats every morning, Hang our demands on the back of them & instead of going fishing we Drive around our cities & plug them up Im sure we will get our message across! After a couple weeks of traffic jams who knows we might find ourselve at the barganing table!

We can also boycott the license system just dont buy a license this coming april! Im also pissed lets take action legally!:wink:

Sitkaspruce
02-15-2011, 10:29 PM
I used to spend 5k anually on my self done halibut adventures. Since it got cut to 1 fish/day, I havent wet a line.... If there's not a concern, why can't I feed my family? Making a BIG TRIP for 2 fish, just doesn't make sense. IMO, DFO WANTS us out.

Mr. Dean

What did you do with the great boat of yours......:wink:

Sorry to hijack the thread.....

It will be interesting to see WHEN the season closes for the sporties, especially if the guys in the south have a great early year.

Looks like i just might have to spend a few days in March and April out on the chilly water fishing for hali and thats it as everything else is closed until spring......wonder how many rockfish and snapper will be left floating.....:(

Cheers

SS

Mr. Dean
02-16-2011, 12:54 AM
Mr. Dean

What did you do with the great boat of yours......:wink:


It's become a lawn ornament. :sad:

Hook or Bullet
02-19-2011, 11:46 AM
For Northcoast members - show up and support:

Town Hall Meeting

The Kitimat Halibut Allocation Task Force and the British Columbia Sport Fishing Coalition will be holding a public Town Hall Meeting.
Place: Kitimat Rod & Gun Club

Date: Sunday, February 27th, 2011
Time: 2:00pm

22savage
02-26-2011, 05:40 PM
Lets hook up our boats every morning, Hang our demands on the back of them & instead of going fishing we Drive around our cities & plug them up Im sure we will get our message across! After a couple weeks of traffic jams who knows we might find ourselve at the barganing table!

We can also boycott the license system just dont buy a license this coming april! Im also pissed lets take action legally!:wink:

That is the smartest thing you have said yet . Have you got your lawyer yet what are you going to do with the 35 $ you save by not buying a license

Johnnybear
02-26-2011, 05:51 PM
That is the smartest thing you have said yet . Have you got your lawyer yet what are you going to do with the 35 $ you save by not buying a license

Do you "TROLL" for your halibut?:twisted:

22savage
02-26-2011, 05:54 PM
No recreational sport fishing is how I get my halibut. How about you

Johnnybear
02-26-2011, 06:01 PM
No recreational sport fishing is how I get my halibut. How about you

Oh so you can have your cake and eat it too:twisted:!

22savage
02-26-2011, 06:06 PM
I don't have any cake the only access I have to halibut is if I catch it myself with in the recreational fishery.