Need some help with scoring for the contest...

[Gateholio]

I can't seem to find my BC record book (and there is a new one out anyway) so maybe someone with a new book can tell me what is the highest scoring animal (by percentage of #1 animal of that species)

Here is a list of the animals that had the #1 score listed in the contest

Bighorn Hunter- Ram 166 4/8
WilyQBC Elk 352 7/8
Porcupine- Goat 48 1/2
Mark- Whitetail- 152
Trapper- Moose 209
chickbunker- mule deer 234 2/8

I'm guessing the mule deer is the winner, but need to be accurate. My satellite intraweb isn't working so good in this storm, so I've had trouble downloading pictures and threads. So if I missed anything or naybodies animal, PLEASE LET ME KNOW!:cry:

[bugler]

If you were comparing to BC book minimums the muley wins. If you are comparing to best ever then it is likely the Elk, if it is typical net score. My book is from mid 90s and I'm pretty sure the biggest muley and moose have not been beaten since but the elk may have.

[cavebear]

elk 465 2/8
goat 57 2/8
mule deer 209 typical

[cavebear]

white tail 191 4/8
moose 242

[Gateholio]

Here is how it's set out-

If the top scoring Sasquatch was 100 points, and the top scoring Unicorn was 50 points, then a Sasquatch with 80 points would be 80% of the #1, and a Unicorn with 45 points would be 90% of the #1, therefore the unicorn would win, even if it has less total points than the sasquatch.

Not sure of the scores in the new book, I can't find my book and the pictures arent' loading on my computer right now...:cry:

[cavebear]

what type of ram?

these numbers are from the new bc book

[Gateholio]

You know what? I am drawing a blank. I was pretty tired last nigth when I was doing all this and I just looked at my notepad and it says "Bighorn Hunter Ram":-D

If you take a look at the contest thread all the animals are in there. I can't see the pics right now.:?

the 234 mule deer likely is gross score, too. :?

[bcfarmer]

I can't seem to find my BC record book (and there is a new one out anyway) so maybe someone with a new book can tell me what is the highest scoring animal (by percentage of #1 animal of that species)

Here is a list of the animals that had the #1 score listed in the contest

Bighorn Hunter- Ram 166 4/8....1.11
WilyQBC Elk 352 7/8................1.10
Porcupine- Goat 48 1/2..............99
Mark- Whitetail- 152................1.01
Trapper- Moose 209.................1.16
chickbunker- mule deer 234 2/8...1.23

I'm guessing the mule deer is the winner, but need to be accurate. My satellite intraweb isn't working so good in this storm, so I've had trouble downloading pictures and threads. So if I missed anything or naybodies animal, PLEASE LET ME KNOW!:cry:


here are my percentages based off of minimum scores

[Everett]

From the new book top scoring animals
BH sheep 204
CBH 193
MT Goat 57
R Elk 396
RM Elk Typical 398
Rm Elk Non T 465
WT Typical 191
Wt Non T 245
MD Typical 209
MD non T 339
Moose 242

You do the math

[bcfarmer]

You know what? I am drawing a blank. I was pretty tired last nigth when I was doing all this and I just looked at my notepad and it says "Bighorn Hunter Ram":-D

If you take a look at the contest thread all the animals are in there. I can't see the pics right now.:?

the 234 mule deer likely is gross score, too. :?




it was a Cali

[cavebear]

rocky mountain 204
california bighorn 193 5/8
stone 196 6/8
dall 172 6/8

hope this helped

[dana]

The hunter of the muley stated an official score which was indeed the net score. What Gate is asking for is % based on the BC book mins which the muley wins hands down. The new BC Book min for Nontypical muley is 190.

[Gateholio]

At 112% of the #1 BC book mule deer, chickbunker is the winner. Well done

He has first refusal of the cougar hunt

THen we have
WilyQBC Elk 352 7/8- 89%
Trapper Moose 209-86.36%
Bighorn Hunter- Ram 166 4/8- 86.26%
Porcupine- Goat 48 1/2- 85%
Mark- Whitetail- 152-79%

All very good animals!:-D

[Bighorn hunter]

Congrats on the contest and on an amazing buck!!!!!!!!!!!!Couldn't remember the buck so went looking, here it is,,,WOW

And here is a link to the story,, lucky son of a b!$#h
http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=57873


http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc461/chickbunker/DSC01816.jpg

[Gateholio]

Reading the story it was scored as a non typical? That would make it 69% of the Non Typ BC record.
:neutral:

This would place it at the bottom of the list.

:confused:

[Gilmore]

Reading the story it was scored as a non typical? That would make it 69% of the Non Typ BC record.
:neutral:

This would place it at the bottom of the list.

:confused:

You beat me to it, just sent you a PM on that. If it was 234 typical it would be a new world record which I'm sure we would have heard more about. Still an amazing buck!

[Stone Sheep Steve]

Weren't previous contests based on BC Book minimums as Dana mentioned above???...as oppsed to current #1..which is a moving target and possible pending scores??

SSS

[Tank]

Weren't previous contest based on BC Book minimums as Dana mentioned above???...as oppsed to current #1..which is a moving target and possible pending scores??

SSS


This years contest is based on the #1 BC book animal as I interpret Gates post of the rules.

"The winner will be based in percentage of the BC record book. So if you get a moose that is 65% of the book a blacktail with 70% of the BC book will beat you, regardless if your moose has a larger score."


I point to his example of a blacktail that is "70%" of the BC book. This makes sense if he is comparing it to the BC all time best.....not the minimum entry score, in which case a good entry in the contest would be more likely 110+% of the BC book minimum.

[Gateholio]

Weren't previous contests based on BC Book minimums as Dana mentioned above???...as oppsed to current #1..which is a moving target and possible pending scores??

SSS

Nope, always been the #1 of the current book.

[porcupine]

Bighorn Hunter- Ram 166 4/8 / 193 5/8 = 86 %
WilyQBC Elk 352 7/8 / 398 4/8 = 88.5 %
Porcupine- Goat 48 1/2 / 57 2/8 = 84.7 %
Mark- Whitetail- 152 / 191 4/8 = 79.4 %
Trapper- Moose 209 / 242 = 86.4 %
chickbunker- mule deer 234 2/8 / 339 2/8 = 69 %

my calculations

[Gateholio]

I missed Miks grizzly. 21 5/16

What's the new book #1 grizzly?

[Gateholio]

Just noticed this is a gross score. What is the net?

Willy QBC 352 7/8 elk

http://www.huntingbc.ca/photos/data/500/medium/chris_bull_2010_small.JPG

[Everett]

Grizzly is 29 and 2/16

[Mikey Rafiki]

Neat Bull! Never seen one with crab claws on the 4 and 5 like that. 9x7?

[porcupine]

Just noticed this is a gross score. What is the net?

Willy QBC 352 7/8 elk

http://www.huntingbc.ca/photos/data/500/medium/chris_bull_2010_small.JPG

Is it a typical or a non typical?

Green score or 60 day waiting period?

[porcupine]

I'm guessing that this is a nontypical due to the forked G4 & G5. Can't tell if the other G4 is forked.If that is the case, it is 352 7/8 / 465 2/8 = 76% A real cranker no matter what classification.


Just noticed this is a gross score. What is the net?

Willy QBC 352 7/8 elk

http://www.huntingbc.ca/photos/data/500/medium/chris_bull_2010_small.JPG

[Bighorn hunter]

Not trying to be a smart ass but,,,,

IBTL:mrgreen:

[Bighorn hunter]

All kidding aside

Thanks Gathouse and all that donated prizes for this contest

Cheers
BH

[Gateholio]

Willy and chickbunker haven't got back to me yet, but assuming they are N/T, the ranking is this (for now)
At a certain point I'm going to have to make a call, as the cat hunt can't wait forever!:-D


Trapper Moose 209-86.36%
Bighorn Hunter- Ram 166 4/8- 86.26%
Mark Typ Mule Deer 85.64%
Porcupine- Goat 48 1/2- 85%
WilyQBC Elk 335- 84%
Mark- Whitetail- 152-79%
Mik Grizzly-73%
Chikbunker NT mule deer-69%

[dana]

If it is based on the #1 you guys have a real Shitty contest. Since we have the Number 2 in the world muley, #2 in the world elk and the #1 in the world Stone, all animals that are far and above any other jursidiction in the world and will probably never ever even come close to being beat, why would anyone enter these animals into your little contest?

[pnbrock]

awww Dana dont be sad you didnt win ,remember its how you play the game that counts.

[Fisher-Dude]

I'm guessing that this is a nontypical due to the forked G4 & G5. Can't tell if the other G4 is forked.If that is the case, it is 352 7/8 / 465 2/8 = 76% A real cranker no matter what classification.

Nope. Need at least 20" of abnormal points to be classified as non-typical.

[dana]

awww Dana dont be sad you didnt win ,remember its how you play the game that counts.

I didn't play now did I? It is obvious that that 234 muley beats the other's hands down but because of lack of insight they made NT Muleys, elk and Stones pointless to enter. Use the Stone as the example. You shoot a great stone and it suddenly gets compared to the Chadwick ram, and your ram suddenly becomes a dink? How fair is that?

[dana]

Nope. Need at least 20" of abnormal points to be classified as non-typical.
Oh wise one, where do ya get that info from? If it has nontypical points, regardless of how many inches, the hunter can choose to either go nontypical or take the deductions as a typical.

[porcupine]

Nope. Need at least 20" of abnormal points to be classified as non-typical.

Thanks. I was trying to figure this out.

[Fisher-Dude]

Oh wise one, where do ya get that info from? If it has nontypical points, regardless of how many inches, the hunter can choose to either go nontypical or take the deductions as a typical.

Yer right. I was told eons ago by an oldtimer scoring MD antlers that 20" was the criteria - maybe he was trying to explain that 20" would have made a better NT score for the set he was showing me.

Live n learn. :wink:

[Gateholio]

If it is based on the #1 you guys have a real Shitty contest. Since we have the Number 2 in the world muley, #2 in the world elk and the #1 in the world Stone, all animals that are far and above any other jursidiction in the world and will probably never ever even come close to being beat, why would anyone enter these animals into your little contest?

If someone had brought forth a reasonable argument to change the contest sometime before the contest was closed, I'd have had no problem looking at a different method. Perhaps for future contests, we could switch it to based on book minimum, as the point about the Chadwick ram certainly is very valid.

[Fisher-Dude]

If someone had brought forth a reasonable argument to change the contest sometime before the contest was closed, I'd have had no problem looking at a different method. Perhaps for future contests, we could switch it to based on book minimum, as the point about the Chadwick ram certainly is very valid.

I think that's a good idea. One of the local big buck contests went percentage over minimum BC book to compare whitetailed and mule deer scores and determine an overall winner.

[Trapper]

If it is based on the #1 you guys have a real Shitty contest. Since we have the Number 2 in the world muley, #2 in the world elk and the #1 in the world Stone, all animals that are far and above any other jursidiction in the world and will probably never ever even come close to being beat, why would anyone enter these animals into your little contest?
British Columbia also has the world record for Canada Moose at 242 and #1 for cougar in the world at 16 4/16 and # 1 in the world for Grizzly at 29 2/16 and # 1 in the world for goat at 56 6/8 #2 in the world for Mountain Caribou at 452

[Gateholio]

WillyQbc has told me that his elk netted abotu 335- not enough to win, but a dandy elk nonetheless!:-D

[dana]

Gate,
I never looked at the rules because I never entered, but I do recall when you were just doing the HBC deer contests in years past, you indeed had it with the BC Book mins not the BC #1's. Think about it, going with the #1's means you have basically thrown out a bunch of hunters before they even start. At 339 and change for a Nontypical muley, there is no hope in hell that you'll ever come close to winning the contest even if you shoot an absolute giant that goes 234 breaking the B&C mark which is an extrordinary feat. At change under 200 inches for the Stone, you are throwing out every Stone that may have been entered, no matter how big they are. The Chadwick is considered as the example of the Biggest Big Game animal for any species ever killed. At 465 and change for NT Elk, you are throwing out every NT elk from ever placing. And yes Trapper, at 242 for Canada Moose, not many are ever going to come close to that one either. So what is the contest trying to acheive?

[Gateholio]

So it looks like this is the final standing. The prize is a cat hunt with diggerdogger in the Fraser valley. First refusal goes to Trapper, then Bighorn hunter and so on...Congrats to all, they are all great animals!

Trapper Moose 209-86.36%
Bighorn Hunter- Ram 166 4/8- 86.26%
Mark- Typ Mule Deer 85.64%
Porcupine- Goat 48 1/2- 85%
WilyQBC Elk 335- 84%
PG66 Moose 79%
Mark- Whitetail- 152-79%
Mik Grizzly-73%
Chikbunker NT mule deer-69%

[dana]

And there you go, Mark's buck was a gross score with extras added in, and it places higher than an official B&C nontypical. That is where you need to really think about your contests in the future. Because that isn't anywhere near fair.

[Gateholio]

Gate,
I never looked at the rules because I never entered, but I do recall when you were just doing the HBC deer contests in years past, you indeed had it with the BC Book mins not the BC #1's. T

No, they were based on the #1 animal per category. Last time KennyJ was a winner with a dall sheep that scored 162 7/8, #1 dall was 172 6/8, and I noted the score at 94%.

Certainly take it under advisement for next year though, it's a very valid point.

[dana]

You didn't do the #1 thing when my nephew won the Deer Contest.

The example of the dall makes sense as we don't have many big dall sheep in this province compared to other areas so the #1 is low. The same goes for typical mule deer. BC has the Trash Factor and so our typical mule deer #1 is low. So by default if these are entered, they will have a better chance at winning the contest beating a whole whack of other animals that are in fact bigger.

[Gateholio]

You didn't do the #1 thing when my nephew won the Deer Contest.

Pretty sure we did, I think it was a typical? Or maybe he was in the youth contest? Can you find the thread? Regardless, we used the #1 last time and this time. If anyone wanted to give input from the last contest until now, there was plenty of time. Too late for this year, though.

If you would like, next year I will PM you the rules for the contest and you can have as much input as you like beforehand.

[mark]

And there you go, Mark's buck was a gross score with extras added in, and it places higher than an official B&C nontypical. That is where you need to really think about your contests in the future. Because that isn't anywhere near fair.

Gates, sorry I didnt see this thread sooner, but danas right about my muley as well my whitey, both scores I posted were gross scores, neither would net worth a dam!!!!
I didnt even consider my deer as contenders so I didnt think it would be an issue!
While it was nice to see my name on the list, it doesnt deserve to be there!

If by some weird chance a bunch of other entries flunk out, or cop out, and I were somehow bumped to the top....id be the first to hand the prize to "Chickbunker" hands down that is by far the most glorious trophy animal shot by an HBC'er this year!
Well, of people that entered anyways ;)

[Tank]

And there you go, Mark's buck was a gross score with extras added in, and it places higher than an official B&C nontypical. That is where you need to really think about your contests in the future. Because that isn't anywhere near fair.


:roll::roll::roll::cry::cry:

ask for a refund

[Gateholio]

Gates, sorry I didnt see this thread sooner, but danas right about my muley as well my whitey, both scores I posted were gross scores, neither would net worth a dam!!!!
I didnt even consider my deer as contenders so I didnt think it would be an issue!
While it was nice to see my name on the list, it doesnt deserve to be there!

If by some weird chance a bunch of other entries flunk out, or cop out, and I were somehow bumped to the top....id be the first to hand the prize to "Chickbunker" hands down that is by far the most glorious trophy animal shot by an HBC'er this year!
Well, of people that entered anyways ;)

Thanks Mark....When doing up the contest it's a bit of an ordeal, hard to distill down everything from a picture and a few comments on score, etc. I agree that chickbunkers deer is awesome. Especially as I think it's his first deer, ever!:-D

[Trapper]

First off i would like to thank gatehouse for all his hard work,but it would be greedy of me to accept this hunt as my son has hounds and i can go cat hunting anytime,so i would like to pass it on to Bighorn Hunter. And Gatehouse i think the way you run the contest was just fine.It doesn't matter what a person does there is going to be some whiners in the crowd.and just for the record my moose goes 209 7/8 and ranks 99th in the current Boone and Crockett and the mule deer that everyone worries about goes 234 2/8 th ranks 659th. Not to take anything away from that buck because it one heck of a deer.......Not trying to take anythink from you chickbunker i'am just trying to make a point.

[Gateholio]

Thanks Trapper, Bighorn hunter, the ball is in your court...:-D

[dana]

Trapper,
Point well taken. I overlooked your moose and it is indeed a lot higher on the scale than a 234 muley. If the contest was run with the mins of the BC BOOK, you still would have won and a big congrats to you is indeed in order. A 210 Canada Moose is a big deal!

[Trapper]

Trapper,
Point well taken. I overlooked your moose and it is indeed a lot higher on the scale than a 234 muley. If the contest was run with the mins of the BC BOOK, you still would have won and a big congrats to you is indeed in order. A 210 Canada Moose is a big deal!
Thanks Dana

[BlacktailStalker]

Well thats pretty cool guys, great animals and hats off to Trapper for passing on the prize.

[mark]

First off i would like to thank gatehouse for all his hard work,but it would be greedy of me to accept this hunt as my son has hounds and i can go cat hunting anytime,so i would like to pass it on to Bighorn Hunter. And Gatehouse i think the way you run the contest was just fine.It doesn't matter what a person does there is going to be some whiners in the crowd.and just for the record my moose goes 209 7/8 and ranks 99th in the current Boone and Crockett and the mule deer that everyone worries about goes 234 2/8 th ranks 659th. Not to take anything away from that buck because it one heck of a deer.......Not trying to take anythink from you chickbunker i'am just trying to make a point.

Our little contest here is using the B & C scoring system.....but comparing the "net B & C" score to the #1 animal from British Columbia, not B & C.

Big Difference! A little confusing for some I suppose!

I was thinking that moose should of been up there but didnt know the BC #1 for moose! Congrads, very nice of you to pass the prize on!

[porcupine]

Call be stupid but when I entered I thought that the contest was for the best story of the year. I know of a couple that were better than mine and congratulate everyone who had a great season and got their own trophy of a life time. Running a contest is a hard job and I congratulate Gatehouse on all his hard work and effort. We're all winners as far as I'm concerned.

[Gateholio]

Call be stupid but when I entered I thought that the contest was for the best story of the year. I know of a couple that were better than mine and congratulate everyone who had a great season and got their own trophy of a life time. Running a contest is a hard job and I congratulate Gatehouse on all his hard work and effort. We're all winners as far as I'm concerned.

If you read the rules of the contest, it is a random draw + big game score animal.

I've always tried to downplay the "big numbers" contest since I believe participation is the most important thing with hunting...and with any "score" oriented contest you get people that are very competitive, and I've always thought that hunting should be an individuals competition with himself...

ANyway, that is why we have 3 random draw (participation) prizes and only one "big animal" prize.

Frankly I couldn't be happier that a new hunter gets to have just as much chance to win a prize as a seasoned hunter has.

[porcupine]

Obviously I did not read the the rules but that's more than OK with me and I'm very happy with the way you have run the competition. I really don't like competitions in hunting but think that you did a great job. You've made a positive impact IMHO. Congratulations to everyone who had a successful season and entered this contest.

[winbuckhunter]

even though.. i think a typical net measurment should be made on that mule deer with all deductions. it might have a higher percentage.

[winbuckhunter]

k so this is my math..

Ram-81%
elk-88%
goat-85%
WT-79%
moose-86%
MD-93%

this is just how i understand it.. that is one helluva buck and has an enormous typical score.. it should be rewarded. it has 25+ inches of deductions.. but still pulls through with 93% of the BC book #1

deserves a second look

[mark]

k so this is my math..

Ram-81%
elk-88%
goat-85%
WT-79%
moose-86%
MD-93%

this is just how i understand it.. that is one helluva buck and has an enormous typical score.. it should be rewarded. it has 25+ inches of deductions.. but still pulls through with 93% of the BC book #1

deserves a second look

Thats a heck of a good point winbucker! You can choose to score a buck like that as a typ or a non typ!
Simply score it as a typical, even after the deductions its way closer to the #1 muley than it was to the #1 non typ muley!
In light of this simple "out of the box thinking" I think the muley wins!

[winbuckhunter]

muley should win..

IMO

[willyqbc]

You know, we used to have a hunting contest at the mill where i work, but due to bickering and fighting over the results at the end the fellows running it decided it just wasn't worth their time and effort so no we don't have one. I think we need to be careful here or we won't have anyone willing to run this one either. Wether or not you think its the most fair way to do it, Gate was very clear on how they intended to judge this.....how we "thought" it was going to be done, or how we think it should be done is irrelevant at this point and if there continues to be a fight over this we may find ourselves with noone willing to run this contest in the future....that would be a shame. Gate knows how he intended to pick the winner so lets just let him do it and thank him for all his hard work. Anyway, congrats to the gentleman with the moose, a clear winner no matter how you look at it and a true sportsman for passing on the prize so that one of his fellow hunters can be part of a new and exciting hunting experience. Again, thanks very much to Gatehouse for all his time, effort and PATIENCE in dealing with this contest!!

Just my opinion
Chris

[BiG Boar]

All great animals. I thought the MD would have won too, however if I have to want one of them for myself it would be the Cali. Great hunting to all!

[mark]

You know, we used to have a hunting contest at the mill where i work, but due to bickering and fighting over the results at the end the fellows running it decided it just wasn't worth their time and effort so no we don't have one. I think we need to be careful here or we won't have anyone willing to run this one either. Wether or not you think its the most fair way to do it, Gate was very clear on how they intended to judge this.....how we "thought" it was going to be done, or how we think it should be done is irrelevant at this point and if there continues to be a fight over this we may find ourselves with noone willing to run this contest in the future....that would be a shame. Gate knows how he intended to pick the winner so lets just let him do it and thank him for all his hard work. Anyway, congrats to the gentleman with the moose, a clear winner no matter how you look at it and a true sportsman for passing on the prize so that one of his fellow hunters can be part of a new and exciting hunting experience. Again, thanks very much to Gatehouse for all his time, effort and PATIENCE in dealing with this contest!!

Just my opinion
Chris

The title of this thread is..."need some help" Hence we are helping him figure it out!
Simply by scoring the muley as a typical instead of a non-typ, it wins!

[Gateholio]

And it's been a help, too. Our club has always used the #1 animal (long before I was around) in the contest so that is what I used here. Why they decided that many years ago I do not know. I've brought up the topic of changing our club contest to using the minimums now, too.

Mule deer was entered as a non typ, there was plenty of time to change that if the hunter had decided to, but he didn't edit his post, haven't heard from him etc. Doing the contest itself is enough work without tracking people down to get them to rescore animals. I've done it in the past, and asked people that I thought had good animals to provide a score, but with so many more HBC members it's a bit of a chore now.

Next year I'll add a "form" that people can copy to answer all the Typ/NT/gross/catagory etc questions, hopefully to make it more clear. Although many people will likely ignore the rules, just like they do now.:-D

[winbuckhunter]

And it's been a help, too. Our club has always used the #1 animal (long before I was around) in the contest so that is what I used here. Why they decided that many years ago I do not know. I've brought up the topic of changing our club contest to using the minimums now, too.

Mule deer was entered as a non typ, there was plenty of time to change that if the hunter had decided to, but he didn't edit his post, haven't heard from him etc. Doing the contest itself is enough work without tracking people down to get them to rescore animals. I've done it in the past, and asked people that I thought had good animals to provide a score, but with so many more HBC members it's a bit of a chore now.

Next year I'll add a "form" that people can copy to answer all the Typ/NT/gross/catagory etc questions, hopefully to make it more clear. Although many people will likely ignore the rules, just like they do now.:-D



Props man.. unbelievable job you've done with this contest. Its one of those things i check everyday if i can during hunting season. I think the way its done is the right way. Comparing to the #1 animal of a certain species that is set in stone in the record books. Is better then, comparing to a random # someone decided was the minimum for that species years ago. IMO

[srupp]

Great contest, GREAT WORK GATE...and guys ALL THOSE ANIMALS WERE OPUTRAGEOUS AND WONDERFUL WELL DONE.

thanks to the prize contributers

Steven..

didnt shoot anything big enough to win, an the black bear was in the spring..sniff sniff..:wink:

grumpy steven

[hunter1947]

Well done job Clarke on the contest http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif and congrats to all the winners in the contest.

[bcfarmer]

Props man.. unbelievable job you've done with this contest. Its one of those things i check everyday if i can during hunting season. I think the way its done is the right way. Comparing to the #1 animal of a certain species that is set in stone in the record books. Is better then, comparing to a random # someone decided was the minimum for that species years ago. IMO


The only problem with this is that a non book animal has the potential to place higher than a book animal.

Just look at the goat and whitetail scores!
bcf.

ps. Gate...it is always appreciated when someone takes on the responsibility of a contest. You will never please us all, so don't try. All that has to be done is stick to the rules set out. You have done a good job here.

[Kody94]

Sounds to me like Gatehouse has some volunteers for the "Hunting Contest Committee" next year. :) Good job Gates, and hopefully these gents can take a bunch of workload off your shoulders next time. ;) lol

IMHO there are pitfalls with both methods...% of book mins vs. #1.

For "hunting pools" I've been involved in in the past, I prefered using highest ranking in current BC (not B&C) book as the criteria, and if no animals exceed BC book minimums, then you use % of BC book minimums.

Its definitely not perfect either though.

As far as this years contest goes...Trapper's Moose and Chickbunkers MD are both extra-extraordinary IMHO.

[bighornbob]

And it's been a help, too. Our club has always used the #1 animal (long before I was around) in the contest so that is what I used here. Why they decided that many years ago I do not know. I've brought up the topic of changing our club contest to using the minimums now, too.

Mule deer was entered as a non typ, there was plenty of time to change that if the hunter had decided to, but he didn't edit his post, haven't heard from him etc. Doing the contest itself is enough work without tracking people down to get them to rescore animals. I've done it in the past, and asked people that I thought had good animals to provide a score, but with so many more HBC members it's a bit of a chore now.

Next year I'll add a "form" that people can copy to answer all the Typ/NT/gross/catagory etc questions, hopefully to make it more clear. Although many people will likely ignore the rules, just like they do now.:-D

Gates great job on the contest, wish I could enter it more often though:icon_frow One thing I see as a problem sooner then later is now that a prize like a cougar hunt is being offered or anything substantial, you will get guys who will try and cheat by either adding to their scores or posting pics of animals taken in previous seasons.

I cant remember which website in the states has a big buck contest every year with some big prizes. There you have to send in an official score sheet and post a picture with something in the photo that proves it was taken that year (something that is known to hunters before the contest opens i.e. like they have to touch their nose or ear in a pic etc.)

Regardless of how you run it, I say thanks for the job well done.

BHB

[Gateholio]

Gates great job on the contest, wish I could enter it more often though:icon_frow One thing I see as a problem sooner then later is now that a prize like a cougar hunt is being offered or anything substantial, you will get guys who will try and cheat by either adding to their scores or posting pics of animals taken in previous seasons.

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That and bickering about scoring methods is one reason I've always thought the "scoring" contest should have one of the smaller prizes, but this year there wasn't any real "small" prizes.

Ice fishing trip, Salmon charter, custom made knife and cougar hunt....Hard to put one as "smaller" than the other:-D

Actually when you think of the quality of the prizes we have donated to the HBC contest, it's quite remarkable. Even the youth contest had good gear and a sturgeon trip. Pretty great, if you ask me...:-D

[digger dogger]

I have talked with Bighorn Hunter, and Chickbunker!
We are figuring this thing out ourselves so the contest doesn't go for shit next year!!!
bighornbob has a good idea, finger in the nose or the heavy metal horns above your head, type of thing.
Sorry if the prize I wanted to donate caused alot of work for you Gate!
I wanted to give something to the site(and all members), for all the GOOD info I have gotten from h.b.c
So lets go forward from here, and know the do's and don'ts for next year!
Dave..