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cas-has-cars
12-14-2010, 01:19 AM
We started our trip from kelowna Friday Dec 3rd at 4am and drove to Pink Mountain, arriving at Verns ranch at 10:30 pm to find Vern was not there. We got our sleeping bags out and tried to sleep in the pickup as we could not get to our cabin on the other side of the locked gate. After 2 hours sleep we were awakened by a banging on the window and found Vern was trying to get our attention. He apologized and gave some excuse that we accepted and he let us in to our cabin. We fired up the wood stove to try and rid the cabin of the -25c air and soon we were warm and sleeping in our new home.
Saturday morning arrived quickly and we spent the first part of the morning unloading our gear which included 1 Quad and 2 Sleds. At 10 am we were ready to take our first tour of the Halfway river trial past the Ranch. We worked our way up the trial with the 2 sleds to find the ski's were scratching lots of lose gravel as the snow condition was very thin. We past a few hunters along the way and they seemed excited about a few fresh tracks on the this side of Horse Camp. We kept going as we did not want to inter-fear. After about 40 km we came to a open river crossing and we decided to turn around and work our way back to camp. Just than we met 3 hunters who had come form across the river and they had a nice Bull in tow and said they had taken the main bull from a herd of 14 and that was about 10 km past the river crossing. The day was running short so we moved closer to our camp and on our way we spotted a large lone Bull about 300 yards away and across the river which was frozen over at this point. Brandon my hunting partner and I Tried to get a little closer as I thought my 7mm would hit a little harder if I got to within 200 yards. The Bull sensed our advance and was gone in a shot. We learned that day that Bison are not the stupid animals that we were hoping they would be.
The next 2 days we spent regretting not taking the shot we had on the first day as we never seen a single Bison since that first day. We met up with Shawnwells and his hunting party and he informed us of a herd his Brother and Sister in law had found and taken a cow bison out of. Shawn made plans to meet early the next morning and we would go and find the herd and get a double header. We agreeded and gave the thumbs up as we parted ways. We were on our way to Pink Mountain Resort to have dinner with Jamie and pick up some fuel and oil for the sleds. Jamie informed us we were hunting the right areas as we were working the McQue Flats. He said to just keep doing what we were doing and we should have success.
We also met 2 other HBC guys there and they were working the same area as us. Good bunch of guys.
Next morning we head out to meet Shawnwells at the gate only to find he did not show. We waited 30 min and decided to move on, later we found out he ran into several issues getting his sister and laws cow out. His sled broke and his brother was near physical exhaustion and they were quit concerned. Shawn might share his story one day with you all.
As for Brandon and I we headed for McQue flats only to run into Bison tracks in the fresh snow from one side of the road to the other and they were walking straight up the road for 1.5 km and we were so sure we would run into the herd. This took place about 3 km past the ranch gate. We spent a little time checking the tracks out and found they headed into thick bush so we cared on to McQue. When we arrived in the area we wanted we parked the sleds and glassed fo a few minutes only to hear another sled coming so we talked to the new hunters and moved up the road to keep our front position. We went another 2 km and thought we were in great shape till we spotted 2 sleds coming straight at us. Now we were a little disappointed and we talked to these hunters and of course everyone is a little disappointed in the traffic. As we were talking we heard a shot from where we first met the new hunters 2 km back. We Told the hunters we had heard about a herd of 75 seen the day before and told them we were going to find the shooters and hopefully find the rest of the herd perhaps. We turned and went back and found the sled was parked where we were glassing earlier. We walked in and no sign of the hunters but we came across Shawnwells sister in laws broken horn cow and we knew we were in the right place. Plenty of fresh sign with nothing to be seen. We walked around for 1 hour and found some great areas that could not be seen unless you walked. We ended up walking into a nice meadow and as we came through the willows I spotted a Lone Bull in its prime about 240 yards away and facing away form us. I let Brandon know our bull was in the meadow as he had not cleared the willows yet. I lay down at the edge of the meadow and loaded my 7mm. Safety off and Bull in the sights I only needed him to turn and give me a shot. 5 min went by and he moved a little farther away and than he turned enough for the first shot which hit well and the bull moved sideways about 10 feet and I let him have the second shot and he stumbled a little and I gave him the third and down he went. A few High fives and our work began. The bull was down at 10:30 am and we had the animal back at camp and we were in bed 15 hours later at 1:30 am.
Mission accomplished. I Scored the bull 109 2/3
Thanks to one of the HBC guys for lending me his goggles as it sure helped in the second trip to bring the meat back to camp.
Myself to tired to hold the head up
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Brandon holding head up<a href="http://s1096.photobucket.com/albums/g338/cas-has-cars/?action=view&amp;current=brandonandbison.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g338/cas-has-cars/brandonandbison.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

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Below is a picture of the 3.5 foot round stomach that weighed 200 pounds I'm sure
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Chironomid_16
12-14-2010, 02:25 AM
What a STUD, truly a trophy of a life-time! It was nice meeting you on the trail.

hunter1947
12-14-2010, 02:35 AM
Nice wright up and very nice bison looks like you had your hands full LOL ,congrats to you and your party http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif..

Waldo1803
12-14-2010, 03:33 AM
Woa! what a chore, getting that guy cleaned.

shawnwells
12-14-2010, 05:51 AM
Wow B ! Todd and them were not kidding when they said big bull ! excellant! you definitely earned it congratulations. it was super to meet you and Brandon. Congrats on a fine trophy and cheers to many more....

M.Dean
12-14-2010, 06:59 AM
What a Rush!!! I could only imagine the excitement when you seen that bull, waiting for it to turn to get a shot, then finally having it hit the ground! Congrats to all involved!!!

Firehunter
12-14-2010, 08:02 AM
Beauty Bull. I can't wait for a chance to hunt a bison like that.

ydouask
12-14-2010, 08:13 AM
Hey, I enjoyed the hunt...good write-up. Congratulations.

guest
12-14-2010, 08:37 AM
Nice Bull, congrats guys!

I hope to take a bull like that some day, My 1st ever draw was last year after trying 15 yrs. and took a smaller good eater, if it ever happens again it will be a biggy I hope, even if the Gravy is tough. What a cool experience for you.

CT

lovemywinchester
12-14-2010, 08:56 AM
Wow,congrats. I cant imagine having to dress that big boy out. What a pile of guts! Should make a beauty rug and burgers for the next three years!

hunterlaura
12-14-2010, 08:58 AM
Nice bull! What a great opportunity, we can't wait to do it again.

d6dan
12-14-2010, 09:36 AM
Congratulations on a great hunt and fine bull. I enjoyed your story very much. Thanks for posting.:-D

tomahawk
12-14-2010, 09:57 AM
Good story and nice bull.

knighthunter
12-14-2010, 10:17 AM
Great story, big bull, nice pic's. Lots of eatin there. I didn't realize that they are so big.

BlacktailStalker
12-14-2010, 10:57 AM
Nice to hear all the guys helping eachother out, nice bull.
Based on that one pic, IF I ever decided to try the bison thing, I think I'd opt for the gutless method as I do for most big game...
Thats a big balloon!

Whisky Creek
12-14-2010, 03:40 PM
Cas,

Are the hides ever nice right now, eh? Are you getting your's tanned? Or, did you keep a cape for a mount? Both?
I sent mine in for tanning.
CLINT

Whisky Creek
12-14-2010, 03:52 PM
"After about 40 km we came to a open river crossing and we decided to turn around and work our way back to camp"

Cas, that open river crossing was right near where we got our bulls.
CLINT

150fighter
12-14-2010, 05:53 PM
Imagine accidently popping that stomach?!?! You would probably drown!

Congrats on the bison.

cas-has-cars
12-14-2010, 05:57 PM
I'm now salting the cape and and the rest of the hide. Who do you use to tan it for you? I've used the guys in Vernon to tan my Caribou cape and they say they are to backed up to look after my bison, I've been told to bring it to Pacific Tanners i think thats their name anyway. They are in Vancouver. And yes the hide and fur/hair is very nice.
The work has not ended yet.
Cashascars



Cas,

Are the hides ever nice right now, eh? Are you getting your's tanned? Or, did you keep a cape for a mount? Both?
I sent mine in for tanning.
CLINT

cas-has-cars
12-14-2010, 06:11 PM
"After about 40 km we came to a open river crossing and we decided to turn around and work our way back to camp"

Cas, that open river crossing was right near where we got our bulls.
CLINT

Yes this is a very productive area. Some have told me Mcque is this side of the river crossing in the meadows around the ecological reserve fenced off area. Yet others have told me the next set of flats past the river crossing is where Mcque flats is. We went 20 km past the river crossing and got to a nice trappers cabin on the left of the trial, very nice set up. The flats past the river crossing are in a nother valley after you go up a great distance. This Flat is bigger than the flats before the river crossing. Both areas are very promising.
Does anyone know the trappers cabin I'm talking about? It sleeps about 6 people and has a nice wood stove. windows doors and a nice outhouse. Also has a storage cabin for meat or what have you.
We even rode past this flat up another climb in elevation and ended up in a small meadow, this is where we turned around. We could see the tops of the mountains very clear from there. I suspect we were very close to Tod lake I believe.
Any input from others would be appreciated.
cashascars

anglo-saxon
12-14-2010, 07:12 PM
Great result and a very nicely told story.

Congratulations and thanks!

kennyj
12-14-2010, 07:13 PM
Great story. Congratulations on your big bull. Just curious what the B&C min is?
kenny

huntersam
12-14-2010, 07:32 PM
I'm now salting the cape and and the rest of the hide. Who do you use to tan it for you? I've used the guys in Vernon to tan my Caribou cape and they say they are to backed up to look after my bison, I've been told to bring it to Pacific Tanners i think thats their name anyway. They are in Vancouver. And yes the hide and fur/hair is very nice.
The work has not ended yet.
Cashascars

take it to harley white over on the westside, he does a great job on everything ive ever had a look at, we take all our bears to him and anything we ever get done. its cool to even just go take a look, he had some huge polar bears shipped in there not to long ago. he's a great guy and will good you some good advice to.

huntersam
12-14-2010, 07:33 PM
great bull to, hopefully i will get up there to do that someday

Jagermeister
12-14-2010, 07:40 PM
That's a pretty good accounting of a successful hunt.

I used to put in for one, after 10 or so years of being unsucessful, I gave up.

Your rendition of the hunt has given me a couple of parameters that would have to be met before I would go hunting buff. The first parameter would be to have 2 or 3 young bucks along to do the major part of the grunt work and failing that, the second parameter would be to have 6 other old farts like myself along to do the major part of the grunt work.

I'm with BlacktailStalker on doing the gutless method, probably would make for a quicker job. The wolves have to eat something too. Anyhow, 200# gut must equate to 50# tenderloin?

And finally, thanks for sharing you tale with us.

"When you kill a beast say to him in your heart, 'By the same power that slays you, I too am slain; and I too shall be consumed.
For the law that delivered you into my hand shall deliver me into a mightier hand.
Your blood and my blood is naught but the sap that feeds the trees of heaven.' "
From THE PROPHET by Kahlil Gibran

Whisky Creek
12-14-2010, 08:44 PM
Cas,
I'm not sure who is going to do the tanning. I left it with a taxidermist friend in Vanderhoof, so who ever she uses will be the destination I guess...

As far as the couple of comments on the tenderloin and guts. I found it funny but the tenderloin was actually not as long in this bison as it is in a moose. They are close in size but a bit shorter than a moose I'd say.

And the gut on mine was full of silage only. Basically no "juice". It is fairly similar to cattle (when I butcher them) but even less juice. I'm thinking it might be because they are mostly content with just getting their moisture from snow this time of year and not actually drinking from a water source????

KennyJ,
The Boone and Crockett minimum is 115. On that line, if anyone is looking for it, the 27th Awards period book is available from Boone and Crockett now. The new All-time book won't be out until next summer.

CLINT

And, if anyone needs something measured for Boone and Crockett, British Columbia book, Pope and Young, or Longhunters, give me a call.
(250) 847-2284
I don't do SCI though.

cas-has-cars
12-15-2010, 12:16 AM
Your right about the tenderloin, its not as long as moose but it was a little thicker around.



Cas,
I'm not sure who is going to do the tanning. I left it with a taxidermist friend in Vanderhoof, so who ever she uses will be the destination I guess...

As far as the couple of comments on the tenderloin and guts. I found it funny but the tenderloin was actually not as long in this bison as it is in a moose. They are close in size but a bit shorter than a moose I'd say.

And the gut on mine was full of silage only. Basically no "juice". It is fairly similar to cattle (when I butcher them) but even less juice. I'm thinking it might be because they are mostly content with just getting their moisture from snow this time of year and not actually drinking from a water source????

KennyJ,
The Boone and Crockett minimum is 115. On that line, if anyone is looking for it, the 27th Awards period book is available from Boone and Crockett now. The new All-time book won't be out until next summer.

CLINT

And, if anyone needs something measured for Boone and Crockett, British Columbia book, Pope and Young, or Longhunters, give me a call.
(250) 847-2284
I don't do SCI though.

cas-has-cars
12-15-2010, 12:24 AM
My helper was the main reason we were able to get as much done as we did.
I've heard the MOE would like to get more Bison out but giving out more tags in the 15 day hunts would bring to many hunters to the area and the bison would move further back in the woods lowering the success rate. We talked about it and thought if the MOE would give 2 tags to the person who won the draw. 1 for himself and 1 for the helper. This would not increase hunting pressure during the 15 day periods because both hunters are there anyways. What do you guys think?


That's a pretty good accounting of a successful hunt.

I used to put in for one, after 10 or so years of being unsucessful, I gave up.

Your rendition of the hunt has given me a couple of parameters that would have to be met before I would go hunting buff. The first parameter would be to have 2 or 3 young bucks along to do the major part of the grunt work and failing that, the second parameter would be to have 6 other old farts like myself along to do the major part of the grunt work.

I'm with BlacktailStalker on doing the gutless method, probably would make for a quicker job. The wolves have to eat something too. Anyhow, 200# gut must equate to 50# tenderloin?

And finally, thanks for sharing you tale with us.

"When you kill a beast say to him in your heart, 'By the same power that slays you, I too am slain; and I too shall be consumed.
For the law that delivered you into my hand shall deliver me into a mightier hand.
Your blood and my blood is naught but the sap that feeds the trees of heaven.' "
From THE PROPHET by Kahlil Gibran

cas-has-cars
12-15-2010, 12:26 AM
I'll look him up tomorrow. Thanks


take it to harley white over on the westside, he does a great job on everything ive ever had a look at, we take all our bears to him and anything we ever get done. its cool to even just go take a look, he had some huge polar bears shipped in there not to long ago. he's a great guy and will good you some good advice to.

ufishifish2
12-15-2010, 01:17 AM
Thanks for the stories Cas-has-cars. I am trying to learn from what Shawn has told me as well as what you've typed here. Only 28 days left until we head up there to play the same game. Can't wait........

Mikey Rafiki
12-15-2010, 10:39 AM
I just want a chance to eat a few of those 3 foot bison ribs! I guess I better keep on applying.

Walking Buffalo
12-15-2010, 11:12 AM
Below is a picture of the 3.5 foot round stomach that weighed 200 pounds I'm sure

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g338/cas-has-cars/bisonstomach.jpg


Thanks for the story and pictures. This is a great photo showing just how big a bison's stomach is and how far forward it extends into the rib cage.

I have been part of many Bison kills. I alway emphasive to the shooter that bullet placement needs to be tight to the shoulder to avoid a liver or stomach shot. Bison anatomy is different from our other ungulates, and a regular " behind the shoulder" shot will often just hit the liver. I recommend a shot in line and just above the elbow, that will take out the heart. Here's a couple of pics showing heart and lung location.



http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g338/cas-has-cars/bisonstomach.jpg


http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/yy10/keetspics/bisonvitals1.jpg
http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/yy10/keetspics/BisonSkeletonVitals.jpg

Whisky Creek
12-15-2010, 12:22 PM
Cas,

Very interesting idea about the two tag idea........
Makes sense.

Buck
12-15-2010, 12:37 PM
I think a group hunt option would be great.In our case we had three guys, being able to take two Bison would have helped with more harvest with the same number of guys in the field.

Buck
12-15-2010, 12:50 PM
We saw these Bison on the way in to retrieve ours this is at the ecological area.

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii159/Ramcam-Photos/2010buffalohunt081.jpg

cas-has-cars
12-16-2010, 05:02 PM
Thanks for the nice picture, We never did come across a herd the 5 days we hunted. Its nice to see a herd now as I was starting to think a herd meant 1.
Brian


We saw these Bison on the way in to retrieve ours this is at the ecological area.

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii159/Ramcam-Photos/2010buffalohunt081.jpg

asurebet
12-16-2010, 07:16 PM
Cas, It was great to meet you and Brandon, It sure was an amazing hunt, It was my pleasure in lending you my goggles as the freezing rain coming down that night would have froze your eyeballs solid. Again great story and great bull!