View Full Version : My First Deer!
jerad
10-25-2010, 07:54 AM
yesterday myself and my firend Abe shot our first deer!!!!
it was 8 in the morning at rock creeck we saw a buck laying by the side of the road so we stopped about a hundred yards awayand i used the drivers lhatch realease to open the hatchback of my car , Abe got out and sat on the back with his crossbow to conceal him from the deer i rolled up slowly on the deer and it was not going anywhere until i stopped and abe moved to my side of car and then loaded xbow. abe jumped up and nailed it in the lungs it then ran away and it took a 2 more shots o the chest from my 45/70 and 1 to the head before it died.
the the hard part began, mike and i had never gutted or skinned a deer... and this guy had the decided to die in kne deep frezzing river with no beach and steep embankments on both sides.
so we just skinned and gutted him right there in the water. was not too long before we could not feel our toes and after an hour and a half of blood guts stench and freezing water the deed was... almost done.
the deer died in a river down a 30 foot gully of loos slippey sand and sharp volkanick rocks, abe had injured his knees in the chase so i had to be the one to get it up the hill. we wrapped it in game bags and a tarp and i managed to do a over-shoulder carry to the top (barely) and then drag him acros a wheat field to the car. this followed by 6 hours of hasty driving to make it to the butcher at 4.
he was wieghet at 2point whitetail 150 pounds gutted and is now being mase into tasty sausage and deer bits at the butcher( we are getting the tenderloins seperated and keeping one each!)
Steeleco
10-25-2010, 07:58 AM
Sounds like an epic first deer. Congrats.
I'd not suggest dealing with the meat in water next time. The water can do damage to the meat.
So, no pictures?
jerad
10-25-2010, 08:13 AM
pics later class now
Phil A. Bowl
10-25-2010, 08:42 AM
good job. What is the general senses of game meat in water i have heard conflicting stories ....sorry for the mini hyjack
coach
10-25-2010, 09:10 AM
I'm wondering more about the general consensus on a guy sitting on the back of a vehicle with a loaded crossbow while his buddy drives slowly up to where he can get a shot at a deer? I can maybe understand the excitement that resulted in the three follow up shots from the 45/70. If you've never killed anything before, you might have been worried that it would run away after the first couple shots. The whole thing about gutting it in the river seems rather odd as this deer couldn't possibly have been too heavy for two guys to drag to shore.
I don't mean to be an armchair critic here, but there's been a couple guys posting things in the last couple weeks that just don't seem to make any sense - to the point of not being real.
rocksteady
10-25-2010, 10:01 AM
[quote=coach;772448]I'm wondering more about the general consensus on a guy sitting on the back of a vehicle with a loaded crossbow while his buddy drives slowly up to where he can get a shot at a deer? quote]
Let's not assume here, nowhere in the original post does it say loaded, it just says he sat in the hatchback with the crossbow.... :confused::confused: Would be kind of humorous to see in person, I am sure, but without being cocked, not illegal...
rocksteady
10-25-2010, 10:11 AM
Congrats Jared...Nothing like your first....
A few pointers though to help you in the future....
Get it out of the water, before gutting/skinning..It will be a lot warmer on you, a lot easier to gut on dry land, will prevent any bacterial contamination from the water source AND will delay rigor (its a bugger trying to gut/skin something that is stiffening up).
Google it and find a description of how to gut and skin....Print it, so that when you get something, you can read it and the nerves won't be guiding what your knife is doing....
Sounds like you were prepared with the game bags and tarp...Good stuff..
Being that the deer was that big I would suggest packing a small bone saw or camp hatchet, that you can whap it in half (somewhere around the 6th or 7th rib back) to make it easier to pack..Going back to the 6th or 7th ensures that you don't chop the tenderloins in half, but since its going into sausage,maybe not a concern...
Take a tonne of pictures, you will never get your first ever again, of that species....
rocksteady
10-25-2010, 10:12 AM
T R O L L I N G
Maybe, maybe not....
Hows the ducks and geese????
knockturnal
10-25-2010, 10:37 AM
Its funny that you guys mention the water method. I grew up with a family and when they shot a deer, they would throw it in a drum with fresh recirculating water for a few days and then take it out and butcher it. They were portueguese. which might explain it. haha.
ufishifish2
10-25-2010, 10:53 AM
Bizarre story to say the least.
Oh well, congrats on your first deer anyways.
Hank Hunter
10-25-2010, 11:02 AM
T R O L L I N G
X2 :confused::wink::confused:
cmarrie
10-25-2010, 11:07 AM
Hunting is fun for so many reasons. Sounds like you had a great adventure for your first WT... and the meat is safely hanging at the butcher's, which is always a good thing. I'm sure you learned a lot with your first deer.
Congrats!! looking forward to the pics :-D.
Well, if it aitn trolling.....
I would paid good money to watch all that go down! "Got out and poped the trunk for your buddy to sit in with a cross bow?" Who's idea was that!
Bistchen
10-25-2010, 11:24 AM
so you said you went a (1) buddy. Was it Abe or Mike? If both thats two (2) buddies?
BlackBear
10-25-2010, 11:40 AM
First and foremost, congratulations on your first deer!
With regard to your story, I am at a loss for a response. While I can imagine that your story would be a fine accompaniment to many other Patrick McManus stories, I cannot imagine it in any real sense. On the other hand, I can only begin to imagine the inevitable realization that it would need to ride in the back of the hatchback; perhaps next time, I would advise transporting the deer via a bicycle. :wink:
jerad
10-25-2010, 12:54 PM
to clarify a few things, he was stiing in the hatcback only for a brief time while i got closer to deer and no xbow not loaded, he then got out and moved to driver side of car while i acted as a moving blind driving at a walk why?
we had seen the deer 2 times before but he was on other side of a fence maybe 10 meters from where he was when hit by xbow so we knew a that he does not car about cars and b we dont know whos property is on other side of fence so we could not before take it.
as for the 3 shots this was a case of "robo-deer" shock is a powerful thing.
we found it in hte river bleeding out and had to put it out of misery but it did not want to die ...
and why did we gut in river? there was no shore, just a steep embankment+a big ass deer that needed gutting stat,the river was a big help actualy it made it easy to flush out the meat and keep it claen when we made a mistake or had to clen off jellied lung
good iea to half it! we had those tool but never thought of it.
we watched utoob vids but that dont compare to real as we now know XD:shock:
what a learning curve
jerad
10-25-2010, 12:56 PM
pics incoming
Caveman
10-25-2010, 12:59 PM
Great job on your first buck! As others have said, next time get it out of the water. That being said cold water assists the cooling process, you just want to try and keep it dry though.
what a learning curve
Now were not sounding like a troll!
still woulda paid money to watch it! But good on ya for your first deer.
Aint huntin fun :mrgreen: It does get easier as you flatten out that curve!
good luck on the next one!
islandboy
10-25-2010, 01:10 PM
When I first read your story I was ready to comment on ethics. Glad I sat back to wait for you to clarify. Clever patterning of your game. Good story. Tough location to gut, but that much less to haul out of the river.
hotload
10-25-2010, 01:22 PM
to clarify a few things, he was stiing in the hatcback only for a brief time while i got closer to deer and no xbow not loaded, he then got out and moved to driver side of car while i acted as a moving blind driving at a walk why?
we had seen the deer 2 times before but he was on other side of a fence maybe 10 meters from where he was when hit by xbow so we knew a that he does not car about cars and b we dont know whos property is on other side of fence so we could not before take it.
as for the 3 shots this was a case of "robo-deer" shock is a powerful thing.
we found it in hte river bleeding out and had to put it out of misery but it did not want to die ...
and why did we gut in river? there was no shore, just a steep embankment+a big ass deer that needed gutting stat,the river was a big help actualy it made it easy to flush out the meat and keep it claen when we made a mistake or had to clen off jellied lung
good iea to half it! we had those tool but never thought of it.
we watched utoob vids but that dont compare to real as we now know XD:shock:
what a learning curve
And this is what everybody should do, wait for the answers to what might sound odd or to the point of a little ridiculous. On paper as told by the author, weird to say the least, when explained, not so bad, just possibly a could of rookie mistakes. Good on ya for your first deer guys.
coach
10-25-2010, 04:56 PM
I was the first one to question the ethics - so I will take the blame.
Congrats on your first buck! I'm sure you learned a lot of valuable lessons. I learned hunting and ethics from my grandfather and from other adults who had spent lots of time in the outdoors. It sounds like you guys are learning through experience. It can't be easy getting your education through youtube and the internet.
You've got a story to tell for years to come - you just might want to consider editing some of the details.
Congrats on the deer. Sure doesn't sound like usual whitetail buck behaviour though for it to lie by the side of the road while you drive to within crossbow range of it.
jerad
10-25-2010, 09:45 PM
Congrats on the deer. Sure doesn't sound like usual whitetail buck behaviour though for it to lie by the side of the road while you drive to within crossbow range of it.
jonz i agree not usual in most cases but, we saw a herd of 25 whitale only 200 yards away in a alfafa field but all doe:cry::frown:
many other just walking around like they owned the place and most of it was farmed lived on land with farmers that dont like deer that eat crops. so they are completly desensitized to car on account of regular local traffic.
plus he was eying 2 does that where on other side of road from him :mrgreen: poor guy was hoping for deer poon and got us instead. "young dum and full of...mayonaise!"
300H&H
10-25-2010, 09:50 PM
Still no pics ? :-?
jerad
10-25-2010, 10:06 PM
how do i post pics??? i haz pics!!! on my pc!
jerad
10-25-2010, 10:52 PM
I was the first one to question the ethics - so I will take the blame.
Congrats on your first buck! I'm sure you learned a lot of valuable lessons. I learned hunting and ethics from my grandfather and from other adults who had spent lots of time in the outdoors. It sounds like you guys are learning through experience. It can't be easy getting your education through youtube and the internet.
You've got a story to tell for years to come - you just might want to consider editing some of the details.
both of us have to pretty much learn hunting from scratch, there are some great freinds and fellow hunters who helped us along but there is somthing to be said for the "git r done" method of learning
Sooke Hunter
10-25-2010, 11:02 PM
Pic time!!!!:-D
Shooter Jr.
10-25-2010, 11:11 PM
Not trying to start anything but, don't deer float cause their hair is hollow? I know they float but is that before or after it's gutted?
Oops, I reread it, makes more sense know with the knee deep water, nice deer Jerad, Congrats
jerad
10-25-2010, 11:12 PM
http://flickr.com/gp/55179077@N06/2jskC5
http://flickr.com/gp/55179077@N06/Nzs74a
http://flickr.com/gp/55179077@N06/uzu821
jerad
10-25-2010, 11:13 PM
Not trying to start anything but, don't deer float cause their hair is hollow? I know they float but is that before or after it's gutted?
interesting id thought deer is too lean to float, but there hair and skin floats after you skin it.
Shooter Jr.
10-25-2010, 11:20 PM
hmmm.
Virtually all animals can float. Including cows. It has to do with their build and size and location of lungs. They not only float they float with their head held out of the water unlike humans and other apes. Of the apes only humans can float or swim (yes I know some monkeys swim but they are monkeys and not true apes).
On a four legged animal the legs sink downward and the back of the body. The lungs float and raise the head and nose out of water. This is how cows float. It is also why deer have been known to swim for 50 to 100 miles out into the great lakes.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070511185718AAJdvfn
I'm not positive that they do or don't but i heard someone on here say they do float a while back. maybe I'm mistaken.
Congrats again.
jerad
10-25-2010, 11:25 PM
PICS ARE UP.
also his lungs wwhere blown to smithereens so definotly no floanting power lol
thats some interesting trivia, makes sence when i wantch my dog swim.
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jerad
10-25-2010, 11:35 PM
http://flickr.com/gp/55179077@N06/2jskC5
http://flickr.com/gp/55179077@N06/Nzs74a
http://flickr.com/gp/55179077@N06/uzu821
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Dually
10-26-2010, 04:38 AM
Good job on your first deer and not only that but taking the initiative to get out there and learn from scratch. Alot of us grew up holding rib cages open while our fathers gutted away at a young age and take it for granted that everybody should know what thier up to out there.
Keep it up and I'm sure you'll have many great experiences to come.
Shooter Jr.
10-26-2010, 03:20 PM
PICS ARE UP.
also his lungs wwhere blown to smithereens so definotly no floanting power lol
thats some interesting trivia, makes sence when i wantch my dog swim.
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/55179077@N06/5116994232/" title="hunting+first kill 002 by Samurai_hunting, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4152/5116994232_ff9b261848.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="hunting+first kill 002" /></a>
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Haha, If his lungs were blown up then good shootin'!
Holly crap it really happened!!!!!!
Thats great guys, I love it! Way to get the pics to bact it up!
good on ya. But ya..... next time dont skin it in the river! It is warmer on the ground!
jerad
10-26-2010, 06:00 PM
reality is stranger than fiction somtimes.
deadfall
10-26-2010, 09:30 PM
poor thing how much meat you get? lol
Shooter
10-26-2010, 09:33 PM
I guess you missed the pics that go along with his accounts? I agree that there are many points of the story that I believe could have been executed better however the pics show the story that his words laid out.
deadfall
10-26-2010, 09:37 PM
I guess you missed the pics that go along with his accounts? I agree that there are many points of the story that I believe could have been executed better however the pics show the story that his words laid out.
true enough didnt see the pics before,,...if i didnt see the pics i would have never believed it
wildprotien
10-26-2010, 10:38 PM
OMG Im laughing so hard at the story and pics. At the same time I can only imagine the rush you two had when you knew it was down.
Probably looked at each other and said now what !!!!!
I say the opposite to everyone else here when I say " good thing you did skin it in the water cause it probably kept all the hair and piss off the meat so it might be edible".
Great job and a job well done by two newbies.... congrats.
Ya got to get yourself out with some experienced people though to show you how to gut an animal etc.
You two are natural born killers lolol ........ great story thanks for posting.
sparkes3
10-27-2010, 05:30 PM
got er done
jkosturos
10-28-2010, 02:08 AM
Way to go Jerad ! Congrats to you and abe Wish i was there for it :) it makes up for the one you guys missed up on our last hunting trip . Congrats buddy and I look forward to getting out again with you always a good time .
bigshooter
10-28-2010, 06:49 AM
he was wieghet at 2point whitetail 150 pounds gutted and is now being mase into tasty sausage and deer bits at the butcher( we are getting the tenderloins seperated and keeping one each!)
Mule deer 90 lb.
Big learning curve when you start at your age.
budismyhorse
10-28-2010, 08:49 AM
.....Jerad, a 1.5 year old deer does not weigh 150 pounds gutted and skinned with the head off unless your butcher is standing on the scale....
don't let him bill you for 150 pounds......that thing, they way you brought it in would be like big shooter says...90 pounds at the most.
and where did you drive 6 hours to? Victoria? ;)
it also looks like a mule deer to me.....keep learning buddy! Maybe take a more experienced hunter with you next time....it will pay off huge for you guys.
carnivore
10-28-2010, 09:24 AM
After seeing the photos I am a believer, stop the banjo music! LOL
jerad
10-28-2010, 06:47 PM
.....Jerad, a 1.5 year old deer does not weigh 150 pounds gutted and skinned with the head off unless your butcher is standing on the scale....
don't let him bill you for 150 pounds......that thing, they way you brought it in would be like big shooter says...90 pounds at the most.
and where did you drive 6 hours to? Victoria? ;)
it also looks like a mule deer to me.....keep learning buddy! Maybe take a more experienced hunter with you next time....it will pay off huge for you guys.
we generaly go with an expereinced core of hunters but this time it was a simple get up at midnight and drive it, bag it, and drive home due to time and cash restraints. and we went to other side of osooyos.
and ill watch the butcher. may have said kilos
jerad
10-28-2010, 06:58 PM
OMG Im laughing so hard at the story and pics. At the same time I can only imagine the rush you two had when you knew it was down.
Probably looked at each other and said now what !!!!!
I say the opposite to everyone else here when I say " good thing you did skin it in the water cause it probably kept all the hair and piss off the meat so it might be edible".
Great job and a job well done by two newbies.... congrats.
Ya got to get yourself out with some experienced people though to show you how to gut an animal etc.
You two are natural born killers lolol ........ great story thanks for posting.
thats what we where thinking! we knew we where gonna make mistakes so the river totaly helped. i.e when i acidently scratched the top of stomach(pheew what a pong!) abe almost puked
but the cut was small so it buble slightly andjust letout a HOORible stench.
and thats exactly what we said " (abe)its bleeding out. (me) now what? (abe)got any bullets left? (me) i got 1 left in the mag. (abe) f***ing dome it allready! (me) ahh f*** it! BOOM"
Dirty Steve
10-28-2010, 07:00 PM
I kind of want to shake my head but.... my first deer I had to hold him down by his antlers and drown in him in a river because I ran out of bullets and shot one leg off.
Definatley not graceful or skilled but I guess thats how ya learn.
I'm sure anybody trying to learn on their own without some guidance has a similar story.
Congrats, enjoy it!
jerad
10-28-2010, 07:43 PM
I kind of want to shake my head but.... my first deer I had to hold him down by his antlers and drown in him in a river because I ran out of bullets and shot one leg off.
Definatley not graceful or skilled but I guess thats how ya learn.
I'm sure anybody trying to learn on their own without some guidance has a similar story.
Congrats, enjoy it!
usualy i have at least ten rounds, but when sighting in i could only find the remmington 405 and 375 grain instead of my usual hornadys. so after missing a deer ther previos weekend due to remmingtons shorter range i refused to buy more remmington and just wait till i ran out and then go back to hornady.
i had 5 rounds for the trip and 3 for a enfield that was brought, but i dropped a round while loading
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and realy if you need more than 5 rounds then wtf man? lol.
still got the brass from final round, wanna do somthing with it but not sure what
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