Notice to hunters hunting the DeaseLake/StikineRiver Areas

[d6dan]

This might have been posted before, but I couldn't find it..

http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/wildlife/hunting/regulations/1012/docs/100827_NoticeToMooseHunters.pdf

[Fisher-Dude]

I'll show my licensing info to a provincial wildlife officer, but some civilian on the side of the road can pound sand. The last thing I need is to come home from my trip and find my house emptied out. :-|

Any demand to see your personal ID by anyone other than an officer is contrary to the Personal Information Protection Act.

Under the Wildlife Act, you are protect as follows:

Production of licence or permit

97 If a person who is required to hold a licence, permit or limited entry hunting authorization issued under this Act
(a) fails to produce it for inspection to an officer on request, or
(b) fails or refuses to state his or her name and address to an officer on request,
the person commits an offence.

[troutseeker]

I'll show my statue card.

[The Hermit]

http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/wildlife/hunting/regulations/1012/docs/100827_NoticeToMooseHunters.pdf

Hunters may encounter one or more Game Check Stations that are being jointly manned by staff from the Ministry of Environment (MOE) and the Tahltan Nation. The objective is to improve the accuracy of harvest data from several local areas within Management Units 6-19 and 6-20. Game Check Stations are currently planned for the junction of Highway 37 and the Ealue Lake Road and at the Stikine River boat launch on Highway 37. All hunters are required to stop at Game Check Stations and will be asked to present hunting licenses, LEH and tag information. Data will be collected regarding all harvested wildlife. This information will remain confidential.
This joint initiative is part of a collaborative wildlife management approach with the Tahltan Nation which has seen a number of new regulations implemented for the fall of 2010. These include:
- A shorter General Open Season for bull moose in MUs 6-17 to 6-29 from Aug. 20 to Oct. 31
- A shorter General Open Season for bull moose from Sept. 15 to Oct. 15 in the Klappan Management Area
- Compulsory Inspection of all moose harvested in MUs 6-19, 6-20 and 6-22 to 6-25 - Removal of moose “rut” closures along 6 side roads/trails - The addition of two moose “rut” closures along Highway 37 from Meziadin Junction
to Dease Lake and along Highway 51 (from Dease Lake to Telegraph Creek).
In addition, MOE conducted a moose survey in several local areas in March 2010 to better quantify bull, cow and calf ratios.
The regulation changes are summarized on page 64 of the 2010 to 2012 Hunting and Trapping Regulations Synopsis, which can be viewed at: http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/wildlife/hunting/regulations/
Compulsory Inspection Inspectors are available in Atlin, Dease Lake, Tatogga, Smithers and Terrace in Region 6. Further information on the times that inspectors are available and contact information can be obtained at: http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/wildlife/hunting/ci.html#Region6
Please also be advised that the Tahltan Central Council issued a notice about hunting in their traditional territory on August 16th, 2010 that contained errors in General Open Season dates and the MUs where compulsory inspection of moose is required that are corrected above.

[Fisher-Dude]

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=54542

[The Hermit]

I'll show my statue card.

IF you meant STATUS Card then unless that is your traditional territory would you not be required to follow suit with the rest of us?

[The Hermit]

Picky Pat! LOL

[Steeleco]

FYI, I merged both threads started at near the same time!

[Fisher-Dude]

FYI, I merged both threads started at near the same time!

I was hoping you were gonna ban Hermie for duplicating a thread and posting in the wrong forum. Yer too soft, David. Wait 'til Gate gets back and starts throwin' his weight around! :mrgreen:

[Caribou_lou]

So are these cumpulory inspections year round to get numbers on Native kills? In my honest opinion, that is the only way you will get accurate info on the numbers of moose harvested in these areas.

[CanuckShooter]

So are these cumpulory inspections year round to get numbers on Native kills? In my honest opinion, that is the only way you will get accurate info on the numbers of moose harvested in these areas.

Really, what good are harvest numbers in the whole scheme of things? How do they collects stats on the numbers killed by wolves, bears, cats, vehicle collisons, drownings, stuck in the muds, or even omg........lightning strikes???

You might be able to determine success rates, but the harvest numbers really cannot have any real bearing on the moose populations as there are too many unknowns.

Any harvest stats collected can only be used to justify more closures and limits on legal hunters. imho

[BromBones]

I've got no problem with a check station.

I'm sure the local FNs are reporting their harvest as well, if they are that concerned about moose populations.:) Sent a few e-mails to find out if that's the case.

[Fisher-Dude]

Really, what good are harvest numbers in the whole scheme of things? How do they collects stats on the numbers killed by wolves, bears, cats, vehicle collisons, drownings, stuck in the muds, or even omg........lightning strikes???

You might be able to determine success rates, but the harvest numbers really cannot have any real bearing on the moose populations as there are too many unknowns.

Any harvest stats collected can only be used to justify more closures and limits on legal hunters. imho

Harvest stats are quite accurate in determining moose populations. There is a ton of models that correlate physical inventories with harvest to determine populations levels and trends. No method can count every moose, but our model is considered one of the best in North America at estimating populations.

[Deadshot]

If these inspection stations mean the end to the roadblocks, then I'm all for it.
That Ealue Lk. inspection site was in place about 10 years ago IIRC. The Tahltan guy was there to ask that their camps be respected (don't burn their poles)& that any unwanted body parts be brought out, so as they can use it.

[Caribou_lou]

I've got no problem with a check station.

I'm sure the local FNs are reporting their harvest as well, if they are that concerned about moose populations.:) Sent a few e-mails to find out if that's the case.

I believe they are only concerned with how many Moose Non-Natives are harvesting.

If they were seriously concerned about the population, they wouldn't be shooting cows and calves.

[BigBanger]

If these inspection stations mean the end to the roadblocks, then I'm all for it.
That Ealue Lk. inspection site was in place about 10 years ago IIRC. The Tahltan guy was there to ask that their camps be respected (don't burn their poles)& that any unwanted body parts be brought out, so as they can use it.

Makes sense to me.

[CanuckShooter]

Harvest stats are quite accurate in determining moose populations. There is a ton of models that correlate physical inventories with harvest to determine populations levels and trends. No method can count every moose, but our model is considered one of the best in North America at estimating populations.

How so??

If there are 100 hunters...the most that will be harvested will 100?
If it's only open for bull moose with spike fork [or spike-fork,tripalm, ten per side]...how will that tell you how many other bulls are out there??
How does that tell you the cow, cow/calf population??

Seriously now.......

[CanuckShooter]

I believe they are only concerned with how many Moose Non-Natives are harvesting.

If they were seriously concerned about the population, they wouldn't be shooting cows and calves.


Gee, I guess BCs deer population is going to tank now with all these doe openings??? :confused:

[Caribou_lou]

Gee, I guess BCs deer population is going to tank now with all these doe openings??? :confused:

Are we worried about our deer population??

[CanuckShooter]

Are we worried about our deer population??

Must be, that is why they have doe leh....and doe seasons...it's a good thing those natives don't like deer or we wouldn't have any of those either!!

[d6dan]

Must be, that is why they have doe leh....and doe seasons...it's a good thing those natives don't like deer or we wouldn't have any of those either!!
"Those natives" never saw a Whitetail in their "Traditional Territory" here in BC. so they can thank Global warming and human encroachment for that!:-D

[Fisher-Dude]

"Those natives" never saw a Whitetail in their "Traditional Territory" here in BC. so they can thank Global warming and human encroachment for that!:-D

They never saw a moose in the southern 1/3 of the province either, but they sure pound the shit out of them now. :?

[CanuckShooter]

"Those natives" never saw a Whitetail in their "Traditional Territory" here in BC. so they can thank Global warming and human encroachment for that!:-D


They never saw a moose in the southern 1/3 of the province either, but they sure pound the shit out of them now. :?


What's yer point??? We have lots of deer, with liberal open seasons including doe seasons....and the indians haven't wiped them out yet!!! Same with the moose, all kinds of moose around, and the indian hunting hasn't bothered them one bit....allowed to shoot all year round and at night with lights...and holy cow batman they haven't killed off all the sheep even???? I can see wild sheep on the highway near Spences bridge...neither one of you cares a rats azz about the animal populations all you want to do is feed your prejudices.:mrgreen:

[d6dan]

What's yer point??? We have lots of deer, with liberal open seasons including doe seasons....and the indians haven't wiped them out yet!!! Same with the moose, all kinds of moose around, and the indian hunting hasn't bothered them one bit....allowed to shoot all year round and at night with lights...and holy cow batman they haven't killed off all the sheep even???? I can see wild sheep on the highway near Spences bridge...neither one of you cares a rats azz about the animal populations all you want to do is feed your prejudices.:mrgreen:


I'm not racist about you or any other native. I just hate it when you say its your right to shoot an animal that was never there 50-60 yrs ago..Thanks to global warming and human encroachment you now have that opportunity..:wink:

[CanuckShooter]

I'm not racist about you or any other native. I just hate it when you say its your right to shoot an animal that was never there 50-60 yrs ago..Thanks to global warming and human encroachment you now have that opportunity..:wink:

Never said racism...said prejudices.:mrgreen: Think about it for a minute, none of the animals here now was here 50-60 years ago.....are you worried that the indians are going to kill off all those WT deer' that thanks to global warming and human encroachment' we all now have the opportunity to hunt?? Don't worry they only take a few, just like the sheep on the highway the deer population will continue to thrive and you don't have to get upset because some status indian has the right to hunt unfettered...:wink:

[troutseeker]

IF you meant STATUS Card then unless that is your traditional territory would you not be required to follow suit with the rest of us?

Hummm, maybe I meant my astute card? The whole country is my traditional territory!

[BromBones]

I'm sure the local FNs are reporting their harvest as well, if they are that concerned about moose populations.:) Sent a few e-mails to find out if that's the case.


Seems the folks at the MOE are hesitant to answer any questions about the natives reporting moose harvest:-?

Yet to recieve any responses.

[Deadshot]

Maybe the Ministry is reporting to the natives.:shock:

[MikeB]

Is this not 2010? When are we gonna stop having different rules for special groups? Shouldn't we all have to follow the same set of regs' rules and laws. Just a thought. Probably to simplistic though. :-D

[CanuckShooter]

Is this not 2010? When are we gonna stop having different rules for special groups? Shouldn't we all have to follow the same set of regs' rules and laws. Just a thought. Probably to simplistic though. :-D

Your right, if we have to put in for LEH so should any out of province/country hunters!!!

If that bozo can guide some rich german to shoot a moose why can't we?? Is there something special about a guide outfitter that only they can make money by guiding hunters??

Special groups...yes, why the heck do we have openings for bow and arrow only, and those pesky youth seasons......

Shouldn't we all have to follow the same set of regs' rules and laws???:mrgreen:

[BromBones]

Shouldn't we all have to follow the same set of regs' rules and laws???:mrgreen:

Yes indeed.

If us resident and non-resi hunters have to report/CI our harvest, when conservation is a concern, so should the frickin indians!!!

And guess what?? They DONT.

[bsa30-06]

Seems the folks at the MOE are hesitant to answer any questions about the natives reporting moose harvest:-?

Yet to recieve any responses.

That answers my question, was going to ask you if you got a response back from them.

[CanuckShooter]

Yes indeed.

If us resident and non-resi hunters have to report/CI our harvest, when conservation is a concern, so should the frickin indians!!!

And guess what?? They DONT.

WOW, that's awful...do you think: the grizzly bears, the wolves, the black bears and the cougars...do you think they report/CI thier kills??

Guess what?? They don't...and they kill more animals than all the indians combined....:mrgreen:

[MikeB]

Just tryin to figure out why native and non-native have different rules. If this was 1810 or 1910 I could see it, but this is 2010. I don't know, maybe I'm lookin at this all wrong.:confused:

[22savage]

At least the bears take a little time off in the winter.

[CanuckShooter]

Just tryin to figure out why native and non-native have different rules. If this was 1810 or 1910 I could see it, but this is 2010. I don't know, maybe I'm lookin at this all wrong.:confused:


Because according to our Constitution hunting/fishing/trapping/gathering is a cultural activity of the natives...and it is protected by the law of Canada so petty/racist governments cannot enact laws that unreasonably fetter them carrying on their way of life.

As an example: the BC government made it illegal for the natives to hold a pot latch ceremony.....it eventually wound it's way through the courts and the BC law was found to be Unconstitutional and thus of no force.

[CanuckShooter]

At least the bears take a little time off in the winter.


That's because the trains and transports take over for the winter.....

[MikeB]

Because according to our Constitution hunting/fishing/trapping/gathering is a cultural activity of the natives...and it is protected by the law of Canada so petty/racist governments cannot enact laws that unreasonably fetter them carrying on their way of life.

As an example: the BC government made it illegal for the natives to hold a pot latch ceremony.....it eventually wound it's way through the courts and the BC law was found to be Unconstitutional and thus of no force.
Sounds good, but from what I've heard (never witnessed) those Constitutional rights are being abused more often than not. Probably shouldn't comment on something I have never seen first hand though. I'm not trying to paint everyone with the same brush.

[CanuckShooter]

Sounds good, but from what I've heard (never witnessed) those Constitutional rights are being abused more often than not. Probably shouldn't comment on something I have never seen first hand though. I'm not trying to paint everyone with the same brush.


Sometimes they are abused and sometimes they are not....and sometimes they are not used at all.[rights that is] Good on you, it's a sad day when we paint a whole group bad because of the actions of a couple of bad apples.:-D

[derek p]

I think what bothers most people is the double standard of rules and the lack of effort on the governments part to enforce the laws.

Disrupting or interferring with a legal hunt is a criminal activity.
(illegal road blocks)

Any native that hunts outside their traditional territory is subject to the hunting regulations, regarding method of harvest, species, sex and seasons. This includes the purchase of license and tags. The sustenance hunting on non traditional terrirory requires that bands approval.

The idea that "it is a free for all" just because of race is absurd. However the reality is that is exactly what is happening. If a native is outside their territory and hunting without the bands approval and without proper licenses, they are plain and simple POACHERS.

The lack of backbone in not posecuting these cases to the fullest extent of the law is appalling.

If one would expect the courtesy to respect culture and traditions, to not burn native fish camps, nets, or destroy artifacts than I could only hope the natives would respect the trucks, trailers and motorhomes that are left at the countless boat launches in the northern half of the province.

I have seen first hand the burnt trucks on the jade boulder road and other places.

Yes, I do think that it is a small population of natives that are causing alot of the problems just as a few non native hunters are causing problems.

In todays age, with the access to motor vehicles, boats, ATVs, high powered rifles, are special seasons really required by natives? Can it be blamed on economics? How about the mill workers on Van Island who have watched mill after mill shut down, no jobs, no money, should they not be allowed to harvest as many elk as they want? The govenrment would crucify them! Its not economics. Its greed.

This is what rubs non natives the wrong way. Plain and simple. Hunters work hard for their animals, it is a sense of pride. To watch another hunter disregard the rules and regulations to a sport that we are so passionate about with out consequence will always spark a heated debate.

I would hate to think that non native hunters would not welcome law abiding native hunters into camp or even share in the workinvolved in dragging a moose out of the bush if it arose simply because of race. We are all hunters. From all nationalities. It is in our best interest to concerve and preserve our future.

The tongue in cheek answers displayed earlier in the thread do absolutely nothing to help relations. It just shows the ignorance of poster.

Population dynamics have taken into account such factors as, natural mortality, calf survial, car accidents, and even regulated harvest.

What is missing from the equation is the unregulated harvest. The individuals who dont buy licenses, apply for LEH, contribute to the habitat fund, and who dont recieve questionaires to give a sample of their hunting and harvesting stats.

Why is this difficult to do? I think the lack of an answer speaks louder than the answer itself.

This is not meant to be racist or predjudice. Only one mans thinking and what I have personally seen first hand.

[The Hermit]

WOW, that's awful...do you think: the grizzly bears, the wolves, the black bears and the cougars...do you think they report/CI thier kills??

Guess what?? They don't...and they kill more animals than all the indians combined....:mrgreen:

I don't understand this post. Are you saying that FN operate on the same basis as the other predators? You imply, that in your opinion, FN shouldn't be compelled to report their harvest, regardless of their own conservation concerns but that other residents of BC should? Where do you really stand on this question?

Respectfully,

[CanuckShooter]

I don't understand this post. Are you saying that FN operate on the same basis as the other predators? You imply, that in your opinion, FN shouldn't be compelled to report their harvest, regardless of their own conservation concerns but that other residents of BC should? Where do you really stand on this question?

Respectfully,



It is my opinion that 'harvest stats' are not really all that important in the scheme of determining the wildlife populations [FD says otherwise?]. While they are awful handy in determining 'success rates' I believe that harvest stats are only another tool to use for the purpose of restricting hunting opps. With all the other ways for these animals to die...I just don't think that these harvest stats are really as important as proper field work would be to determine the number of game animals in an area. Those stats being collected at these special check points will be used to provide evidence of the 'excessive' number of animals being harvested by non-abo hunters.....and you can be guaranteed they will use the numbers to push for more restrictions.

I know that not all non-aboriginals fill in thier harvest cards either[&not all get them], so to say that the fn's don't while the rest of us do...is not exactly correct. Personally I don't have a problem telling them what I shoot.

[CanuckShooter]

The tongue in cheek answers displayed earlier in the thread do absolutely nothing to help relations. It just shows the ignorance of poster.

Population dynamics have taken into account such factors as, natural mortality, calf survial, car accidents, and even regulated harvest.

What is missing from the equation is the unregulated harvest. The individuals who dont buy licenses, apply for LEH, contribute to the habitat fund, and who dont recieve questionaires to give a sample of their hunting and harvesting stats.

Why is this difficult to do? I think the lack of an answer speaks louder than the answer itself.

This is not meant to be racist or predjudice. Only one mans thinking and what I have personally seen first hand.

What a bunch of crap "population dynamics have taken into account such factors as ,natural mortality...etc" IMMEDIATELY followed by "What is missing from the equation is the unregulated harvest"

How do they determine how many calves are killed by bears each spring? How do they determine where the main body of a herd is...when they don't know the migration patterns? How do they determine cow/bull ratios when they do very little actual in the field counts?? How many wolves are killing the animals...the last time I checked nobody was regulating their hunting so your equation will always be buggered.....

[Devilbear]

I think what bothers most people is the double standard of rules and the lack of effort on the governments part to enforce the laws.

Disrupting or interferring with a legal hunt is a criminal activity.
(illegal road blocks)

Any native that hunts outside their traditional territory is subject to the hunting regulations, regarding method of harvest, species, sex and seasons. This includes the purchase of license and tags. The sustenance hunting on non traditional terrirory requires that bands approval.

The idea that "it is a free for all" just because of race is absurd. However the reality is that is exactly what is happening. If a native is outside their territory and hunting without the bands approval and without proper licenses, they are plain and simple POACHERS.

The lack of backbone in not posecuting these cases to the fullest extent of the law is appalling.

If one would expect the courtesy to respect culture and traditions, to not burn native fish camps, nets, or destroy artifacts than I could only hope the natives would respect the trucks, trailers and motorhomes that are left at the countless boat launches in the northern half of the province.

I have seen first hand the burnt trucks on the jade boulder road and other places.

Yes, I do think that it is a small population of natives that are causing alot of the problems just as a few non native hunters are causing problems.

In todays age, with the access to motor vehicles, boats, ATVs, high powered rifles, are special seasons really required by natives? Can it be blamed on economics? How about the mill workers on Van Island who have watched mill after mill shut down, no jobs, no money, should they not be allowed to harvest as many elk as they want? The govenrment would crucify them! Its not economics. Its greed.

This is what rubs non natives the wrong way. Plain and simple. Hunters work hard for their animals, it is a sense of pride. To watch another hunter disregard the rules and regulations to a sport that we are so passionate about with out consequence will always spark a heated debate.

I would hate to think that non native hunters would not welcome law abiding native hunters into camp or even share in the workinvolved in dragging a moose out of the bush if it arose simply because of race. We are all hunters. From all nationalities. It is in our best interest to concerve and preserve our future.

The tongue in cheek answers displayed earlier in the thread do absolutely nothing to help relations. It just shows the ignorance of poster.

Population dynamics have taken into account such factors as, natural mortality, calf survial, car accidents, and even regulated harvest.

What is missing from the equation is the unregulated harvest. The individuals who dont buy licenses, apply for LEH, contribute to the habitat fund, and who dont recieve questionaires to give a sample of their hunting and harvesting stats.

Why is this difficult to do? I think the lack of an answer speaks louder than the answer itself.

This is not meant to be racist or predjudice. Only one mans thinking and what I have personally seen first hand.

This, is a very good post and it represents the majority of the opinions on this issue that I have heard/read over the past few decades in both BC and Alberta. However, it also contains the "seeds" of what the REAL problem IS, in respect of WHY this utterly vile and totally unacceptable situation has been allowed to develop.

That is first, the reference to aboriginals as ...natives..., which they are, however, so is EVERY Canadian born within the borders of The Dominion of Canada. One could very well and with historical accuracy, make the point that since the DoC is a creation of people originally from northwestern Europe, whom we know first came here over a thousand years ago and such persons have lived and worked in parts of North America, since and actually before the forbears of many aboriginal Asiatic groups came to this continent., their descendants are the real "native" Canadians...but, we do not discriminate in this manner, as we strive for equality and decency to all peoples.

However, if we, as we should, concentrate on the living and our shared nation, it becomes apparent that the INTERPRETATION of certain 18thC. "treaties" by leftist courts has allowed aboriginal groups to behave as their ancestors simply could not have...as witness the use of electric "jacklights", killing and leaving many large quadrupeds by the use of rifles, lights, atvs, "reefer" trucks and two-way radio/GPS technology. This, was never intended by those who wrote the "treaties" and, I do not think most Canadians, today, agree with such ecologically devastating behaviour, or, support "special" rights for aboriginals.

Among, the various methods of fighting these racist, greedy and destructive peoples, is to NEVER use their recently developed political terms in your speech or writing. The specious label "first nations" is one that some radicals invented in the '80s, simply do NOT grant them that status in your comments and also do not ever agree with ANY status for them that differs from what we Canadians are all allowed by our laws. Words, have power and a refusal to assist the devious nonsense of "first nations", or, "first peoples" WILL help to resist the advancement of the racially-based aboriginal agenda.

The burning of vehicles, camps and physical threats now commonplace MUST also be resisted, keep at least two ARMED adults in your camps, guard your vehicles and keep a video record of ANYONE who approaches you on any hunting/fishing trips you take. GO ARMED and let intruders know that you WILL use force, as outlined in Sections 34-37 of The Criminal Code of Canada to protect and sustain yourself, family, pets, possessions and freedoms and DO IT!

The data collected for environmental management purposes MUST be gathered by trained, well-educated professionals from the MoE, MoF and NOT be some gobbletygook from some "warrior" who sits beside a fire pounding a skin drum and yelling incoherent babble, "hiya, hiya, hiya". WE are the MAJORITY, BC BELONGS to US and, it is time to stop cooperating with the aboriginals and FIGHT BACK...and preserve our hunting/angling heritage, as we can, if we all wolrk together.

[ohotnik]

I think what bothers most people is the double standard of rules and the lack of effort on the governments part to enforce the laws.

Disrupting or interferring with a legal hunt is a criminal activity.
(illegal road blocks)

Any native that hunts outside their traditional territory is subject to the hunting regulations, regarding method of harvest, species, sex and seasons. This includes the purchase of license and tags. The sustenance hunting on non traditional terrirory requires that bands approval.

The idea that "it is a free for all" just because of race is absurd. However the reality is that is exactly what is happening. If a native is outside their territory and hunting without the bands approval and without proper licenses, they are plain and simple POACHERS.

The lack of backbone in not posecuting these cases to the fullest extent of the law is appalling.

If one would expect the courtesy to respect culture and traditions, to not burn native fish camps, nets, or destroy artifacts than I could only hope the natives would respect the trucks, trailers and motorhomes that are left at the countless boat launches in the northern half of the province.

I have seen first hand the burnt trucks on the jade boulder road and other places.

Yes, I do think that it is a small population of natives that are causing alot of the problems just as a few non native hunters are causing problems.

In todays age, with the access to motor vehicles, boats, ATVs, high powered rifles, are special seasons really required by natives? Can it be blamed on economics? How about the mill workers on Van Island who have watched mill after mill shut down, no jobs, no money, should they not be allowed to harvest as many elk as they want? The govenrment would crucify them! Its not economics. Its greed.

This is what rubs non natives the wrong way. Plain and simple. Hunters work hard for their animals, it is a sense of pride. To watch another hunter disregard the rules and regulations to a sport that we are so passionate about with out consequence will always spark a heated debate.

I would hate to think that non native hunters would not welcome law abiding native hunters into camp or even share in the workinvolved in dragging a moose out of the bush if it arose simply because of race. We are all hunters. From all nationalities. It is in our best interest to concerve and preserve our future.

The tongue in cheek answers displayed earlier in the thread do absolutely nothing to help relations. It just shows the ignorance of poster.

Population dynamics have taken into account such factors as, natural mortality, calf survial, car accidents, and even regulated harvest.

What is missing from the equation is the unregulated harvest. The individuals who dont buy licenses, apply for LEH, contribute to the habitat fund, and who dont recieve questionaires to give a sample of their hunting and harvesting stats.

Why is this difficult to do? I think the lack of an answer speaks louder than the answer itself.

This is not meant to be racist or predjudice. Only one mans thinking and what I have personally seen first hand.

+100. Very well said, Derek. Thank you.

[The Hermit]

Okay so are you are saying that no person regardless of their race should have to report and that your rationale for that position is that unless we count every animal, attempting to manage scientifically is totally useless? You seem to think that extrapolation based on hunter success is totally worthless.

My question is: do you think it is right that aboriginals should not have to report while the rest of BC's residents do?

Respectfully,

Bill


It is my opinion that 'harvest stats' are not really all that important in the scheme of determining the wildlife populations [FD says otherwise?]. While they are awful handy in determining 'success rates' I believe that harvest stats are only another tool to use for the purpose of restricting hunting opps. With all the other ways for these animals to die...I just don't think that these harvest stats are really as important as proper field work would be to determine the number of game animals in an area. Those stats being collected at these special check points will be used to provide evidence of the 'excessive' number of animals being harvested by non-abo hunters.....and you can be guaranteed they will use the numbers to push for more restrictions.

I know that not all non-aboriginals fill in thier harvest cards either[&not all get them], so to say that the fn's don't while the rest of us do...is not exactly correct. Personally I don't have a problem telling them what I shoot.

[Gunner]

Okay so are you are saying that no person regardless of their race should have to report and that your rationale for that position is that unless we count every animal, attempting to manage scientifically is totally useless? You seem to think that extrapolation based on hunter success is totally worthless.

My question is: do you think it is right that aboriginals should not have to report while the rest of BC's residents do?

Respectfully,

BillYou won't get a straight answer.I disagee with Canuckshooters assertion that harvest questionaires are useless.It's a great rationale to excuse one user group from reporting,no different from the fact that one user group refuses to report the number of salmon that they harvest.Suprise,suprise....we are talking about the same user group! Gunner