longshotz
11-17-2009, 09:20 AM
Far be it for me not to support the local guy, but sometimes you just need something more specific that he doesn't carry and won't and/or can't bring in.
In this case its the specialty hard cast heavy for caliber bullets for the .444 or .45/70.
Before I hear the advice of "buying Canadian" I will tell you that a close friend did buy some" hard cast" .45 cal. 405 gr. gc. bullets from a Canadian company which broke up on impact with the shoulder bone of a 1300 lb. bull moose from a paced off distance of 137. The mv. of this load was 1811 fps. 5 shot average.
Moose medicine in any ones book, except the bullets were not up to the task; contrary to what we were told.
Not to bog down in details, but 2 shots and several hours of tracking later we had the critter down.....a f<*=%/g long ways from our camp!
Classic bullet failure.
I won't go into the other details here, as this post is a request on how to get the quality hard cast bullets from the various US players in the game (Beartooth Bullets, Oregon Cast Bullets, etc.) without going to the USA yourself and all that entails (passports etc.) for essentially a one time purchase of hunting bullets.
I say hunting bullets specifically, because this same firm (as do others in Canada) do sell cast bullets adequate for punching paper or smaller game like deer.
Anyway, whatever any advice or help you can give would be appreciated.
By the way, the hard cast bullets of which I speak need to be of between BHN 15 and 22.
This combination is due to the proper %'s of tin, antimony and lead as well as a certain heat treatment process. This combination prevents bullet fragmentation as we experienced and all that followed.
This is for the benefit of all who are contemplating the use of cast bullets in the .444 or .45/70 for the big stuff.
Thanks for the info.
Longshotz
In this case its the specialty hard cast heavy for caliber bullets for the .444 or .45/70.
Before I hear the advice of "buying Canadian" I will tell you that a close friend did buy some" hard cast" .45 cal. 405 gr. gc. bullets from a Canadian company which broke up on impact with the shoulder bone of a 1300 lb. bull moose from a paced off distance of 137. The mv. of this load was 1811 fps. 5 shot average.
Moose medicine in any ones book, except the bullets were not up to the task; contrary to what we were told.
Not to bog down in details, but 2 shots and several hours of tracking later we had the critter down.....a f<*=%/g long ways from our camp!
Classic bullet failure.
I won't go into the other details here, as this post is a request on how to get the quality hard cast bullets from the various US players in the game (Beartooth Bullets, Oregon Cast Bullets, etc.) without going to the USA yourself and all that entails (passports etc.) for essentially a one time purchase of hunting bullets.
I say hunting bullets specifically, because this same firm (as do others in Canada) do sell cast bullets adequate for punching paper or smaller game like deer.
Anyway, whatever any advice or help you can give would be appreciated.
By the way, the hard cast bullets of which I speak need to be of between BHN 15 and 22.
This combination is due to the proper %'s of tin, antimony and lead as well as a certain heat treatment process. This combination prevents bullet fragmentation as we experienced and all that followed.
This is for the benefit of all who are contemplating the use of cast bullets in the .444 or .45/70 for the big stuff.
Thanks for the info.
Longshotz