is this a rub?

[twoSevenO]

OK, so i don't know if this is a rub or not, but would like to know what could have made the tree look like this. I've seen rubs in this area, and this is way bigger than any of them, so curious as to what it can be ....

http://i38.tinypic.com/2gwb2g7.jpg

[Jelvis]

I know that exact spot where that rifle is leaning lol i'm not kidding, I wondered the same thing -- it's a cougar scratching the tree with it's claws as the snow gets deeper the higher it can scratch -- it's
a --- Cougar scratch pole --
Jel -- your welcome, and I recognize that exact spot too unreal or surreal ? Be leave it or knot ?

[bowhunterbruce]

yeppers,dats a rub and a half and judging by the height id say a nice buck lives close by

[blackbart]

Hard to tell for sure based on the photo, but I am going with porcupine.

[Jelvis]

If that was a buck he'd half to have a neck like Girraffe it's cat scratch fever, Clever. Gougarz come out after dark and go where they can get some and along the way they stretch and scratch a tree shaped like a pole dancer uses lol - just kidding but it is a large female cat about seven foot length and weighing between 145 and 155. By the thickness of that one scratch it's claws are loosing their point and puts the cougar well above middle age.
Jel -- CSI @ Cougar scratch pole --+++ --- be a bush detective -- and read the bush like a paper --

[Ltbullken]

Moose rub would be my guess.

[Blainer]

Looks a good 6-7' tall to me.
That would be a mighty fine buck.
Elk?Moose?

[Jagermeister]

Bear.......................big ass grizzly bear. They are very hungry at this time of the year you know!

[Ddog]

i do not know where you live but if there is elk or moose that would be my guess. but definitely not a deer, but like Jelvis said it may be a cougar.
when i have found a good rub lots of times i have scraped around the bottom of the tree in the dirt so whatever animal it is if it returns to "its" tree it leaves prints in the dirt. worth a try at the one.

[Jelvis]

Lou tenant that is no bull can I get a reconsideration for the station --
Bull moose use brush and shrubs more than a pole like tree at least down here in Bonaparte country.
Besides that tree is in a fairly dry are where deer have trails along the edge of that ridge to narrow for moose to choose they would skyline them selves.
Jel -- cat scratching lodge pole, cats are playful, and like to scratch and stretch, while yawning and waking up, licking their lips befrore hunting for another fat little yearling deer.
Pole Cat

[Alpine85]

I think Jelvis got into the rum to early again.Rather then starting a thread that day,he went out with his Potato peeler.
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[hunter1947]

That is an elk rub .

[d6dan]

That is an elk rub .

My vote too. elk or moose. it isn't a porcupine. those little buggers prefer balsam over pine or spruce.:)

[Caveman]

It's unlike any moose or deer rub I recall, maybe an elk. Only tree in the area rubbed? How about the poplar in the background? Moose tend to favor them if they are around, for both rubs and chewing on.

[twoSevenO]

This was in 8-05 .... I have never seen tracks or droppings of elk or moose the area, nor did i think there were many cougars or grizzlies in 8-05....
Also ... the bare part of the tree, does not have many "cuts" that would indicate the claws of a cougar, maybe one. But like i said, it looks too big to be of any muley i know of in the area, sooooo........

what yall think now that i've mentioned what M-U it is ... does it change your mind?

[twoSevenO]

I know that exact spot where that rifle is leaning lol i'm not kidding, I wondered the same thing -- it's a cougar scratching the tree with it's claws as the snow gets deeper the higher it can scratch -- it's
a --- Cougar scratch pole --
Jel -- your welcome, and I recognize that exact spot too unreal or surreal ? Be leave it or knot ?

PM me with where you think it is, to confirm :wink::wink:

[crazysheephunter]

I agree with hunter1947 also, elk, maybe moose.You can see that its not that old, this years with the dried branches and needles on the ground.

[elkdom]

cats ? bears ? or porcupines ? or a deer ? lmao :grin:

does this look similar?yes! mature bull moose or bull elk? yes!8-)

the rifle in this pic is 52 inches OAL, this rub is about 8 feet high at the top,,,

and some bull elk rubs can top out at over 10 feet!

[tinhorse]

Ive seen farmers fence posts that size round rubbed right up by bucks. It's pretty high up for a deer rub. You could look closer and see if there are any indents in the wood from tine points or claws.

[tinhorse]

I agree with the elk call if they are in the area.

[RiverBoatFantasy]

That is an elk rub .

But the guy says there was no elk poo or tracks! How can it be????
Perhaps it was done by a constipated bull elk wearing moccassins.

[wolverine]

If a cat scratched that pole why isn't the softwood under the bark all clawed up? What area was the picture taken in (and please don't say something like region 3, that's not specific enough) and when was it taken? What about some rough measurements. Perspective means a lot. From the photo I see I would call it a rub of either a moose or elk but who can be sure from a photo.

[wolverine]

Sorry, looked at the photo again and I see the perpective from the rifle leaning against it. I still say it's a rub.

[twoSevenO]

But the guy says there was no elk poo or tracks! How can it be????
Perhaps it was done by a constipated bull elk wearing moccassins.

yeah .... orrrrr it could actually be a nice ass muley :D :D

[ufishifish2]

I have a very similar picture to that taken last year in the Princeton area as well. Only difference is that we watched the Elk do it. I'd post it but am too lazy to figure out how to do it! I vote for Elk for sure....

[twoSevenO]

If a cat scratched that pole why isn't the softwood under the bark all clawed up? What area was the picture taken in (and please don't say something like region 3, that's not specific enough) and when was it taken? What about some rough measurements. Perspective means a lot. From the photo I see I would call it a rub of either a moose or elk but who can be sure from a photo.

MU 8-05 and a stones throw off the coquihalla highaway is as specific as i'm going to go 8-)

[guest]

Thats For sure from a Sam Squinch scatching his backside, they say they have an arse like sand paper.. They scream when they take a dump too !


CT

[Jelvis]

I saw a rub that was like that in total pure mule deer country with the odd moose but later after their rut.
I was wondering how a buck deer could reach so high cuz deer are 40 inch max at shoulder high - it was something to look at --
also could be a range bull or cow white face also they rub sometimes.
I know in my area some say they saw elk but I think it's a monster mule buck which looks like an elk to some people by mistake.
Jel - it looked like a bull elk but was a massive muley buck with a elk like rack.
Never know until you know

[doubled]

Looks like moose if that is the MU. I seen many trees that size scraped up by a bull and Caveman is right, they DO prefer poplar but will scrape anything.

[Kudu]

I'd say it is some truck hunter - trying to get his camo off - before you spot him!


Jokes aside - probably a mulie - thinking of the location.

[leadpillproductions]

if there is elk in that region it elk but what region is it

[Jelvis]

Put a nice trail cam out there and see what creature showz up to kill that tree. Do yah think animals use the same route on a circuit routine ?
Or just wonder around aimlessly
Jel -- put your bio thinking cap on

[hunter1947]

There are big bull elk in region 8-5 take a look at the BC record books and you will see a few elk that where taken in this region that score very hi in the book ,I stick with what I said ,RME Rub for sure ,to big for a mule deer rub and to low for a moose..

[5 spike]

elk rub for sure see them all the time.

[Chuck]

Hard to tell for sure based on the photo, but I am going with porcupine.

X2 on that............

[Bowtime]

Old rub. last years. either elk or moose. too big to be a deer rub.

[MikeH]

Looks like Elk to me I'd have to see the tree.

[takla1]

Elk rub for sure,seen many just like it

[30-06]

8-5 by the coq...im guessing tulameen area then? theres elk and moose there.

[BCrams]

End of August / 1st week of September elk rub.

You can see green needles on the tree above (it will be dead next year due to the rub). Red needles on the ground have had a chance to dry out.

Too big for mule deer. Moose .... potentially but the rub appears to have all the marks of an elk.

On a rub that size, you should be able to look closely and find a few strands of hair caught up somewhere.

Looking high up on the truck of that rub, if it was a large bull, you may see poke marks (small holes in the bark) from the end of the tines hitting the tree.

[Dadawa70]

Yep. Elk gets my vote for sure.

[pete_k]

I've seen dozens of examples of where Moose clean completely around trees like that in the Babine area. But usualy only 2 or 3 feet. Never have I seen one like this. Thats gotta be about 6 or 7 feet of debarking.

[hunter1947]

This is an elk rub.

http://www.huntingbc.ca/photos/data/500/282.jpg (http://www.huntingbc.ca/photos/showphoto.php?photo=16014)

[d6dan]

Geezz Wayne, the poor little larch tree never had a chance!.. damn elk....;)

[Manglinmike]

I have a cabin at the east gate of manning park and I can say forsure that there are plenty of cougers there as I just seen one on sunday, but that rub is from a good size bull elk ,and the elk pop. around Princeton is growing every year.

[twoSevenO]

Cool! Guess the general consensus has settled on elk. I will have to pay more attention to elk tracks/droppings next time i am out there, would love to see one!

Thanks dudes :) :)

[steel_ram]

Cattle? Is this summer range? Sorry, kind of a fantasy killer.

[Thor Rider 88]

you guys ever see those commercials with the bear that whipes his butt with no-name toilet paper and it gets stuck in his butt and than scratches his butt on the tree to get it off, thats a classic example of it.

[curt]

could very easily be a moose they clean tree bark off like that all the time

[wighty]

Im gunna go with a squirrel....... hahaha just kidding.... cool pic though

[dunbartr]

Bull Moose, Bear or Porky. Very common for both Bears and Porky's to do this immature lodgepole pine trees.

[ufishifish2]

http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv194/ufishifish2/CodyElkrub.jpgHope this works. First ever pic. Anyways, we watched the Elk doing this while working in Princeton. Looks fairly similar to me!

[rutting buck]

Its a moose rub i,ve seen plenty of moose rub poles rather than brush and shrubs always look real close into the bark you,ll find hair in there and if you look at the top of these rubs the bark is being peeled upwards unless that cat is standing on his head when he,s scrathchin . Remember ungulates rub to get the velvet off early in the season and then rub again during the rut.

[Lucky77_]

elk is my vote

[twoSevenO]

Its a moose rub i,ve seen plenty of moose rub poles rather than brush and shrubs always look real close into the bark you,ll find hair in there and if you look at the top of these rubs the bark is being peeled upwards unless that cat is standing on his head when he,s scrathchin . Remember ungulates rub to get the velvet off early in the season and then rub again during the rut.

it's a monster muley, a big one. 8 feet tall, 12 pointer, and i will get him next season! :cool: