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huntwriter
08-27-2009, 08:05 AM
Leave it to Bill Otway to say it the way it is. Long read but very educational

Note: Paul Ryall is the head of the Salmon Team
Resource Management
Fisheries Management Branch
Fisheries and Oceans Canada, Pacific Region

August 25, 2009
Memo To – Paul Ryall
From – Bill Otway

Subject- Closure of Fraser River Sport Fishery, your e mail to me of August 21 on behalf
of Paul Sprout in response to my e mail to him of August 15th.

I must begin by recalling to you that in all the years that I worked with Paul Sprout, in
every issue that came forward and we developed a response, action or words, Paul
without fail, could be counted upon to always ask the question if the action or response
would “pass the red faced test”. I will tell you that your response to me of August 21 on
behalf of Paul Sprout, fails this test miserably.

First and foremost, at you note, prior to the closure I was an active participant in the
Fraser River Sockeye Working Group of the SFAB. We, as you noted were intimately
involved in the background and information on the Sockeye returns and the situation as it
developed. The only meeting I missed is that of the 11th of August and of course
following your precipitous action in closing the river, without consultation I no longer
participate in this flawed process.

You begin your response by saying that “We make every effort to ensure that when
making these difficult decisions they occur after there has been dialogue with the affected
parties. I understand that did happen in this case.”

You make a major error when you confuse “dialogue” with proper “consultation”. There
was no “dialogue” on this issue with the people involved in what we in the recreational
sector all thought was in fact the consultation process. You claim that contact was made
with key individuals, outside the process to “ … inform them of the department’s notice
and its intentions.” For your further information, the simple act of calling people and
telling them of your intentions cannot in any way shape or form be considered,
“consultation” on a proposed action.

Of greater importance however is the question of why your department and staff chose to
contact people outside the process and completely ignored the people inside the process?
People who actually were giving of their time and expertise in an effort to work with
DFO to manage through this difficult time.

To these people, you said not one single word about the closure prior to it coming into
place. I, as you note, was part of that process, yet no one called or talked to me. Tom Bird
was the co-chair of the process and no one said a word to him or asked for any advice.
Frank Kwak is the chair of the Upper Fraser Valley Sport Fishing Advisory Committee,
(SFAC), of the SFAB. He was not approached, spoken to, nor asked for any advice prior
to the closure. Ed George is the chair of the Lower Fraser Valley SFAC, and he was not
consulted either.

You make mention of the August 11th conference call. I have reviewed the published
minutes of that meeting; minutes produced by your staff, and can find no reference
whatsoever. As noted I was not able to participate in that call but I have contacted those
who did participate and to a man they state that DFO made effort to bring up the subject
of the proposed closure. DFO did not indicate that the closure was immanent, nor did
they bring up their concerns over the fishery and ask for any input from those in the
recreational community as to possible alternatives. Nor, in fact did DFO present any data
to support their decision to close the fishery. I submit, this is not consultation and the
courts have told you this in past decisions.

Subsequent to the closure your department issued a document purporting to support your
decision to close the fishery. This was the August 18th report “Preliminary in-season
estimates of total effort and catch for the periods Aug.01-15 and Aug 01-16”.
This document is being used to support your contention that the angling community was
putting the Sockeye stocks at risk. In order to assess the validity of this one must first
assess the validity of the data itself and how the conclusions were reached.

To begin with the data presented is at best, suspect. The survey covers over 40 miles of
river and yet information on catch and encounter is made at only two points in this 40
some miles. One survey point used is in fact the most effective location for catch on the
river and in a place where both Chinook and Sockeye are jammed together because of the
configuration of the river. Because of this of course Sockeye encounters are bound to be
higher than in other areas, but you use this aberration and expand it to cover 25 miles or
more of angling effort. Moreover, two flights over 40 miles of angling effort being used
to estimate the total angling effort for this area is not statistically defensible in any venue.
The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of the anglers are fishing for Chinook and
these, in most parts of the river are not located in the same place as the Sockeye. The
encounter rate you claim is not even substantiated in the fishing taking place in the
release mortality study. It is to be noted that the anglers in this study are in fact targeting
on Sockeye not trying to avoid them.

Your department makes the claim that 90 plus per cent of the anglers were in fact
“bottom bouncing”. And that the impact on the Sockeye stocks increased to such a level
that by the 14th of August you were forced to close the fishery.
The data produced by your report makes it clear that in their overflights, a total of 2,
between August 1 and August 9th, in fact 70% of the anglers were observed “bottom
bouncing”.

In addition this same report makes the point that after August 9th, through to the date of
your closure, angler effort actually decreased by 35%. By even the wildest stretch of the
imagination could this fishery be considered, out of control and a threat to the resource.

Further, your characterization of “bottom bouncing” not being selective, flies in the face
of the many Public Notices that I have received from DFO. Those notices have described
drift gillnets hung 3 to 1 as meeting the requirements for selective fishing! Your own
studies done in the Fraser River show clearly that gillnet mesh size only becomes
selective when the net is hung tight or 1 to 1. However you continue to use a hang ratio of
3 to 1 as the standard for a “selective” gillnet fishery.

huntwriter
08-27-2009, 08:06 AM
Letter - continued....

I and others remain astounded that you consider a gillnet fishery as described with a
release mortality rate of between 20 and 35 % as selective. At the same time you view an
angling method that has a release mortality rate of 1.4% as “non selective”. Your
rationale boggles the mind.

Moreover, however, the general definition of selectivity, as defined by the many studies
DFO carried out, is not based solely on the type of gear used but more particularly what
impact the use of that gear has on the stock of concern. In short, how big an impact on the
stocks does a particular fishery have?

Your report on the catch, flawed though it is, shows a total Sockeye release of 12,800
Sockeye in the recreational fishery in the time period of August 1 to August 16th. Even
with this indefensible over estimation of the catch of this fishery using the clearly viable
release mortality rate of 1.4%, we come up with a total mortality impact of 179.2 fish.
The PSC advises that during the period in question there were a total of 500,000 plus
Sockeye that passed Mission. Taking that figure into account and even DFOs’ overblown
catch assessment we come up with a total impact from this fishery of 0.000358 on the
stocks of concern.

The actions of your management team, being directed I am sure from Regional
Headquarters have been most biased in your announcement of concern for the fishery. In
every case you have pointed to the recreational fishery, but at no time has there ever been
a mention of the illegal poaching, night and day drift net fishing during closed times.
Given that on one incident alone, enforcement staff confiscated in excess of 500 Sockeye
one has to question your objectivity in focusing on the recreational fishery which by your
own data has, for the whole time frame caught less than half of what one poacher took on
one night. Where is DFO’s public concern over this issue? Simply put, it does not exist.

I would bring to your attention the statement from the Chief of C&P to an August 19th
meeting of Native and recreational and DFO representatives discussing the impacts and
concerns re the Fraser River Fishery.He said that during all the checks of recreational anglers on the Fraser, his fisheries
officers had observed sockeye being released, but had not seen a single sockeye being
kept. This statement to me clearly indicates a very high degree, in fact 100%, compliance
with the fisheries regulations and shows a clear understanding of the plight of the
Sockeye and a desire to minimize any negative impacts.

The Chief of C& P. then went on to talk about the illegal drift nets that are being
encountered on a nightly basis. Again I would point out that DFO has taken no public
position on this matter while at the same time being very public in their criticism of the
recreational angler, whose impacts, as noted are lower than any other on the river.

To summarize:
DFO did not in any way shape or form “consult” with the recreational advisors over this
issue.

DFO is using very flawed and indefensible data for the recreational fishery. They used
this flawed base to make their decisions.

Even if one uses the flawed DFO data, we have an almost non measurable impact on the
stocks of concern. Numbers that are certainly lower than any other fishery on the river.

You end your dissertation by claiming that DFO “… takes very seriously the advice
provided by the SFAB…”. I say when your actions support your words then I and the
other people involved in this Fraser process will believe you. In the main, it has been my
experience that in working with the field staff in all areas we find good cooperation and
understanding. It is when Regional Headquarters and above become involved that things
tend to go off the track.

You also express the thought that I should reconsider my participation in the SFAB
advisory process. For your information, I have not withdrawn from the total SFAB
process, just the Fraser Sockeye process, a process which DFO’s actions to date has been
made a farce.
Yours in conservation.
Bill Otway
P.O. Box 326 Merritt, B.C.
V1K 1B8
Phone 250 3784489
Cc – SFAB
Cc – Dan Cody
Cc – BCWF members

Deadshot
08-27-2009, 02:03 PM
Good on Bill.
Sounds like a certain user group realized the #'s weren't showing up & pressured the 'mighty DFO' into action.
One more nail in the coffin for the (mis)managers!
The rec guys are use to the hind tit by now anyways.

winchester284
08-27-2009, 02:29 PM
Title should be corrected to read "to" rather than "from" Paul Ryall....

Letter makes too much sense to be written by Paul Ryall :razz:

Jagermeister
08-27-2009, 03:16 PM
We all know who will catch the last salmon and the sooner the better. When the last salmon is gone, then we can end all of this "cultural and spiritual" crap and re-introduce fish that everyone will have a greater equal opportunity to catch.
Bill Otway has been a stalwart for the recreational salmon fisher in this province nigh on 40 years now. I was briefly on the SFAB in the late '70s and Bill was the leader of the pack then. I really have to hand it to Bill, he has stood the test of time attending to the one of the most frustrating issues that confront the recreational hunters and fishers.
Bill, if you happen to read this, I personally want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for the tireless crusading that you have done for all of us. I dread the day that you call it quits, because I don't know if we can find someone like you to fill your shoes. Thanks Bill.

huntwriter
08-27-2009, 03:52 PM
Title should be corrected to read "to" rather than "from" Paul Ryall....

Letter makes too much sense to be written by Paul Ryall :razz:

My bad. I don't know how to correct a thread title. Maybe some mod can help.

huntwriter
08-27-2009, 03:55 PM
We all know who will catch the last salmon and the sooner the better. When the last salmon is gone, then we can end all of this "cultural and spiritual" crap and re-introduce fish that everyone will have a greater equal opportunity to catch.
Bill Otway has been a stalwart for the recreational salmon fisher in this province nigh on 40 years now. I was briefly on the SFAB in the late '70s and Bill was the leader of the pack then. I really have to hand it to Bill, he has stood the test of time attending to the one of the most frustrating issues that confront the recreational hunters and fishers.
Bill, if you happen to read this, I personally want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for the tireless crusading that you have done for all of us. I dread the day that you call it quits, because I don't know if we can find someone like you to fill your shoes. Thanks Bill.

Bill sure is a great guy. I have the distinct pleasure of knowing him personally and sit on the board of directors with him in our local F&G Club. Among the many things I like about Bill is that he, like me, doesn't mince words. He says things the way they are even if it offends somebody. This is very rare these days.

goatdancer
08-27-2009, 07:05 PM
Now that's calling a spade a spade. DFO upper management has no concept of what should be done. They just flail away like a blindfolded kid at a pinata.

Jagermeister
08-27-2009, 10:37 PM
Now that's calling a spade a spade. DFO upper management has no concept of what should be done. They just flail away like a blindfolded kid at a pinata.DFO over the years have squandered copious amounts of tax money and have achieved absolutely nothing. The resource, especially the Fraser, is in the most pititful state that one can ever imagine. The DFO managers for the Pacific Region have managed to mis-manage. "DFO upper management has no concept of what should be done. They just flail away like a blindfolded kid at a pinata.", is an excellent ananlogy of total incompetence.

huntwriter
10-11-2010, 04:38 PM
We all know who will catch the last salmon and the sooner the better. When the last salmon is gone, then we can end all of this "cultural and spiritual" crap and re-introduce fish that everyone will have a greater equal opportunity to catch.
Bill Otway has been a stalwart for the recreational salmon fisher in this province nigh on 40 years now. I was briefly on the SFAB in the late '70s and Bill was the leader of the pack then. I really have to hand it to Bill, he has stood the test of time attending to the one of the most frustrating issues that confront the recreational hunters and fishers.
Bill, if you happen to read this, I personally want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for the tireless crusading that you have done for all of us. I dread the day that you call it quits, because I don't know if we can find someone like you to fill your shoes. Thanks Bill.

I've copied this and other comments about Bill Otway and taken them to him to read. Bill Otway is in palliative care here in Merritt. Doctors have given him 5 to 7 days to live. Bill had been fighting cancer for nearly 15 years but finally the illness has won, the tumors have spread to the brain.

Please pray for him. He will be sadly missed by many and the hard work he has done on behalf of all of us will be equally missed in the future. I don't think that there is anyone at this time that would be able to fill his shoes.

Bill told me on my last visit to let all outdoor enthusiasts know that it had been one of his great joys to serve you all, and he wishes everyone good luck in the future. He also cautioned that we, the sportsmen need to keep on our toes and stay united or; ...You wont have a chance in hell to win the battles that loom in the future for hunting and fishing."

Gateholio
10-11-2010, 04:41 PM
Well, that's a shame. Bill is quite a fellow.

Deadshot
10-11-2010, 09:27 PM
Sad to hear.
Big shoes to fill.