Delta City Council to Ban sale of Firearms

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Delta Municipal Council has requested staff to prepare a bylaw to prohibit the sales of firearms in Delta. The bylaw will also deal with the sale of ammunition and firearms repair, refurbishing, storage & distribution. The bylaw is tentatively scheduled for the May 25, 2009 Council Meeting. There is not an opportunity to speak directly to Council at the time of the bylaw consideration on May 25th; however, you may contact the Clerk’s Office (604-946-3220 or clerks@corp.delta.bc.ca (clerks@corp.delta.bc.ca) ) to pre-register for the Question & Answer Period (max 3 min presentation) to speak to Council just prior to the start of the Council meeting. You may also write to Mayor & Council (mayor-council@corp.delta.bc.ca (mayor-council@corp.delta.bc.ca) ) directly to voice any concerns you may have. Should Council refer the bylaw to a Public Hearing, you will also have the opportunity to directly address Council.

Note the Council Meeting on May 25th will be held in North Delta. "

[BCRiverBoater]

This is only the start. If this is successful, then every municipality in the lower mainland will give it a whirl. We need to have a huge turnout from all gun owners on this one.

[f350ps]

This is absolutley disgraceful. The only thing this will do is put a long time shop out of business and force people to go to another municipality to do there business. We'll see how far they get with this one! K

[Devilbear]

What is the political makeup of the Delta Council? Are they, as in Burnaby, hardened New Democrats of the Derek "Deke" Corrigan type?

I remember when Lee Rankin and some other No Democracy Pinkos bulldozed the Burnaby Council into closing the three shooting ranges on the Barnet Highway, for "environmental" reasons. NO amount of "reason" will work with hardcore N.D.P.ers, these people ARE the same type as Joe Stalin and have NO mercy as they build their socialist "utopia".

What is REALLY needed now, in Canada, is a constitutional amendment that guarantees our right to keep and bear arms......this is THE ONLY method of truely protecting our birthright and heritage from the totalitarians of BOTH the political "right" and "left".

I hate gunbanners, just HATE them!

[416]

This is absolutely disgraceful. The only thing this will do is put a long time shop out of business and force people to go to another municipality to do there business.

It's more then disgraceful.......its a trial run to see how it goes over! If it is implemented watch for it to show up in a community near you soon. Some one from the area should get a petition on line started and circulate it to the various gun sites. The only thing politicians understand is their position of authority being threatened with no votes or loss of revenue.
This needs to be stopped before it gets started or we will all paying the price......

[500grhollowpoint]

You guys need 1000 people there or we are all screwed.....

[180grainer]

Done, I was motivated by Gatehouse and his writing. We should all be doing this when we have a chance. After all no one's going to do it for us.

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To the Mayor and Council members of Delta,

I am writing to you about the proposed ban on the sale of firearms within the municipal boundary of Delta. With the preponderance of evidence to suggest that the majority of gun crimes within the greater Vancouver area are committed with unregistered and illegally obtained firearms, (connected to the ever increasing drug trade) one can only wonder what the motivation would be behind the proposed ban. After all, the purchasing and selling of firearms, in accordance with the Canadian Firearms Act, is still a lawful activity.

Although I no longer reside near Delta, I find the attempt at such restrictions by small, (comparatively speaking) groups of city or municipal elects very frustrating when the country at large allows the same sale and distribution. This simply amounts to an attempt to undermine and circumvent the current law and present view of the Provincial and Federal law makers; who sanction such behaviour of their citizenry. What further ads to the insult to law abiding gun owners will no doubt be the emotionally filled appeals at the expense of any rational thought about what is at the root of the gun violence in the Lower Mainland or how to stop it.

If Council is really concerned about the health and well being of the people of Delta, why not ban something that really kills their citizens like tobacco or alcohol. Albeit a little less dramatic than a local gang related shooting, and you don’t get Global TV showing up at the hospital every time someone dies of lung cancer, you would actually be doing something tangible and significant to further the health of your community. Additionally, with every other community around you allowing the sale of firearms, one has to ask what you will accomplish; or more to the point, what “you think you will accomplish”. There is a serious possibility that this proposed ban will come across to your electorate as an impotent attempt to get your name in the paper and impress your voters without doing anything significant to address the problem or protect them. The gangsters and criminals will always have guns, (have you learned nothing about the federal registry) but so will the law abiding people of Delta as all it requires is a quick trip to Surrey.

I’d ask that you don’t proceed with the ban on the lawful sale of firearms in Delta or do anything to jeopardize the lawful possession of firearms of its citizens.

[whitetailsheds]

What is the political makeup of the Delta Council? Are they, as in Burnaby, hardened New Democrats of the Derek "Deke" Corrigan type?

I remember when Lee Rankin and some other No Democracy Pinkos bulldozed the Burnaby Council into closing the three shooting ranges on the Barnet Highway, for "environmental" reasons. NO amount of "reason" will work with hardcore N.D.P.ers, these people ARE the same type as Joe Stalin and have NO mercy as they build their socialist "utopia".

What is REALLY needed now, in Canada, is a constitutional amendment that guarantees our right to keep and bear arms......this is THE ONLY method of truely protecting our birthright and heritage from the totalitarians of BOTH the political "right" and "left".

I hate gunbanners, just HATE them!

And the Liberal party is any different for implementing the Registry? My apologies, I don't know the NDP's stance on firearms. But I sure do on the Liberals part. I put Allan Rock up there with Joe Stalin.

[180grainer]

Just remember, if you write to any body such as a city/municiple coucil or government, keep it polite, respectful and drive your point home. If you rant, you'll be righten off. There'll be a lot of fence sitters reading your letter too and those are the people you want to influence. The Anti's want us to look like we're gun nuts, don't help them out.

[boxhitch]

Don't let party politics dilute this issue. That is another battlefield.
This is an issue before a city council.
What do they think, that they are leading the way for all communities to follow ? Or another knee-jerk reaction to a whining landowner ? If they really think this ban will slow the crime rate, they are daft.

'Sale of ammunition' and 'storage' are rolled in there. Wonder how that will play out. Its not just about one store, its about all firearms owners.

[elkdom]

Federal Laws provide right to ownership and possession when within the confines of the Firearms Act and Federal Law, Delta Council may be overstepping their authority, with even a few serious objectors and a Lawyer willing to "ROCK their BOAT", Delta Council may find themselves on the way to the SUPREME COURT of CANADA, and that will cost the Municipality huge $$$$ and only end in embarrassment, for said council members.

Some municipal politicians have a much larger image of themselves, than what their position as an elected entity entitles them to demonstrate, I do not recall any reference to what municipality any particular fire arm owner has to reside within, in order to acquire or own a fire arm under the Statutes of the Fire Arms Act!

some of Delta's councilors must have moved here recently from Moronto, Ontario

[f350ps]

What is the political makeup of the Delta Council? Are they, as in Burnaby, hardened New Democrats of the Derek "Deke" Corrigan type?

I remember when Lee Rankin and some other No Democracy Pinkos bulldozed the Burnaby Council into closing the three shooting ranges on the Barnet Highway, for "environmental" reasons. NO amount of "reason" will work with hardcore N.D.P.ers, these people ARE the same type as Joe Stalin and have NO mercy as they build their socialist "utopia".

What is REALLY needed now, in Canada, is a constitutional amendment that guarantees our right to keep and bear arms......this is THE ONLY method of truely protecting our birthright and heritage from the totalitarians of BOTH the political "right" and "left".

I hate gunbanners, just HATE them!
The mayor and three councillors publicly endorsed Liberal MLA Wally Oppal a few days before the election. Nuff said! Nothing surprises me with these clowns we have here. I sent my letter to each council member and the mayor individually. You can get their email addy on the muni website. K

[sawmill]

All that shit is a knee jerk reaction to all the gang shootings that make the news EVERYNIGHT.The bad guys don`t buy guns and ammo at the sporting goods store.Crawl up the RCMP`s ass to make life safer,not ours.

[f350ps]

I've found out that there's more to this story, I'm sure MalleyWacker will fill us in when he knows more about it. K

[fowl language]

k, i just talked to mally w. and we are in search of the original person that put in the application to find out more info. i got this from the fed. and it has already been put to all the exec. and im sure they will back us. im going to email delta waterfowl to get them on board as well as our local gun club. any members of d.u. might attempt to get some support from them either locally or provincially or federally. letter writting is a very effective way to get their attention,as i feel like others that this is just the tip of the iceberg.......fowl

[f350ps]

Thanks Dale,keep us posted. K

[Gunner]

Please let me know what's going on as well Dale,Brian has enough on his hands right now without this BS.I'll start with the letters tonite,I don't live in Ladner anymore,but my sister does and I'll get her on it too. Gunner

[SUAFOYT]

Originally Posted by Devilbear http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?p=460587#post460587)
What is the political makeup of the Delta Council? Are they, as in Burnaby, hardened New Democrats of the Derek "Deke" Corrigan type?

I remember when Lee Rankin and some other No Democracy Pinkos bulldozed the Burnaby Council into closing the three shooting ranges on the Barnet Highway, for "environmental" reasons. NO amount of "reason" will work with hardcore N.D.P.ers, these people ARE the same type as Joe Stalin and have NO mercy as they build their socialist "utopia".

What is REALLY needed now, in Canada, is a constitutional amendment that guarantees our right to keep and bear arms......this is THE ONLY method of truely protecting our birthright and heritage from the totalitarians of BOTH the political "right" and "left".

I hate gunbanners, just HATE them!

Your hate/rant for the NDP, which has absolutely nothing to do with this issue, is what tends to cloud all important issues such as this one. Get the hell over your myopic views and you never know, as they say politics makes for strange bedfellows. You never know, there could be a leftie out there that agrees with you on this issue. Unless you get over the rhetoric, you're probably cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[Jimbo]

What happened to Delta council ?? They have been pretty accomadating to hunters for years. There is a hunting advisory committee that discusses any incidents that arise. The mayors have a history of attending the local R&G banquets.

Who or what changed on council ??

[fowl language]

jimbo, we do have a hunting committee and malley w. is on the committee.we have sent out emails to the original applicant of the lic. and i have asked him to come to the thurs. night meeting of the delta ladner r and g meeting. in the mean time hopefully we can get the same support from all the good people on this forum to bombard the delta council with letters as some of my concerns are what happens if this goes through,is hunting in the delta next.think about it it will only take a few minutes of your time to write a letter if its important.im a third generation delta hunter and id like to be able pass that legace along to my family.....thx for your time..... dale

[mikeman20]

Looks like we really have no friends on the council, this is from the city council minutes:


Sale of Firearms (J.03)
Mayor Jackson advised inquiries were being received from businesses interested in establishing shops which would be entitled to sell firearms in Delta.

-- Motion Endorsed
MOVED By Mayor Jackson,
SECONDED By Cllr. Hawksworth,


THAT Delta Council direct staff to prepare a bylaw that will limit the sale of firearms and identify suitable locations, if any, in Delta for such a use.
THAT staff consult with Delta Police for their input on limiting the sale of firearms in Delta.

CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY

[Jimbo]

Fowl, is this original applicant of the license a council member, or is this coming from someone outside of council ?

[Jimbo]

I guess Mikeman20's post answers my question.

[kootenay redneck]

sounds to me like the city council in delts is filled with a bunch of howdy doddy's typical lowermainland bull#@#@ i sure hope everyone bands together down there or it'll be the begining of something that will get way out hand with the ndp and green party i'm soooo glad i don't live down there but i'll still pay in my taxes for the bridges that you have to again to drve over that's all thay want is mney and more money, 49 millon on wensday good luck to whoever bought aticket

[lip_ripper00]

jimbo, we do have a hunting committee and malley w. is on the committee.we have sent out emails to the original applicant of the lic. and i have asked him to come to the thurs. night meeting of the delta ladner r and g meeting. in the mean time hopefully we can get the same support from all the good people on this forum to bombard the delta council with letters as some of my concerns are what happens if this goes through,is hunting in the delta next.think about it it will only take a few minutes of your time to write a letter if its important.im a third generation delta hunter and id like to be able pass that legace along to my family.....thx for your time..... dale

If you get a response and want a show of support let us know, I will attend.

[fowl language]

from the email i recieved from the bcwf it is a private person that put in the app.we will have more info as soon as we get a reply from the individual in question. i think we have 3 council members we can count on so in order to sway the others i think the letters to council will help sway the others......dale

[Jimbo]

So ... Someone inquires about a business license to sell firearms, and Delta Mayor Jackson flips out?? I heard she was supportive of hunting and the R&G club.

Never trust a politician.

[mrdoog]

Ha, ha, ha, good thing I live in Surrey.
I can buy "anything" I desire in Whalley!

Seriously though, this is so silly.
Delta has long history of waterfowl hunting.
My Dad had his picture on the front page of the Vancouver Sun.
He went out duck hunting after Hurricane Freda (1962) blew through the lower mainland, ended up with a nice brace of Mallards.

[mikeman20]

sent an email off just now to the mayor and council

[crazy ducker]

I think we should be at the council meeting on the 25 of may as a numbers thing. just to show a presents

[Devilbear]

Originally Posted by Devilbear http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?p=460587#post460587)
What is the political makeup of the Delta Council? Are they, as in Burnaby, hardened New Democrats of the Derek "Deke" Corrigan type?

I remember when Lee Rankin and some other No Democracy Pinkos bulldozed the Burnaby Council into closing the three shooting ranges on the Barnet Highway, for "environmental" reasons. NO amount of "reason" will work with hardcore N.D.P.ers, these people ARE the same type as Joe Stalin and have NO mercy as they build their socialist "utopia".

What is REALLY needed now, in Canada, is a constitutional amendment that guarantees our right to keep and bear arms......this is THE ONLY method of truely protecting our birthright and heritage from the totalitarians of BOTH the political "right" and "left".

I hate gunbanners, just HATE them!

Your hate/rant for the NDP, which has absolutely nothing to do with this issue, is what tends to cloud all important issues such as this one. Get the hell over your myopic views and you never know, as they say politics makes for strange bedfellows. You never know, there could be a leftie out there that agrees with you on this issue. Unless you get over the rhetoric, you're probably cutting off your nose to spite your face.

It actually HAS a great deal to do with both this specific attempt to ban private firearms businesses in a particular minicipality and the on-going campaign to ban private firearms in Canada in general. The current "leader" of the federal N.D.P, "Taliban Jack" Layton was recently here in Vancouver and, with the eager assistance of Don Davies, the M.P. for the riding I reside in, was attempting to influence the N.D.P. dominated Vancouver City Council to eliminate private handgun ownership here in Vancity.

This is merely ONE among the scores of incidents of this kind that I have encountered in the 40+ years since I became active in fighting against the "gunbanners". Ironically, my first personal initiative was to contact "The Squire of Kootenay West", the late Bert Herridge, N.D.P.-M.P., attempting with other local residents to have some allowance made for packing our pistols when hunting; HIS reaction was VERY negative, as was that of various other N.D.P -M.P.s of that time.

The N.D.P. IS now and has ALWAYS been a party of those who advocate the restriction of individual freedoms in service of the "communal good", as THEY define it. This has INCLUDED banning and restricting private gun ownership and they continually make this point in public via media outlets.

So, no, I have NO intention of EVER ceasing to hate the N.D.P. and will do ANYTHING legal to obstruct their totalitarian schemes. Don't like it, too bad, so sad, my rights are more important than your political loyalties.

[ryanb]

The mayor and three councillors publicly endorsed Liberal MLA Wally Oppal a few days before the election. Nuff said! Nothing surprises me with these clowns we have here. I sent my letter to each council member and the mayor individually. You can get their email addy on the muni website. K

Once again, people fail to realize the difference between provincial liberals and federal liberals.

Am I the only one that finds it frustrating that people can't make this simple distinction?

[Micky Finn]

I am a Vice-President of BC Wildlife Federation and the Firearms Committee Chair. This is what I have been able to find out so far.

Staff at the Corporation of Delta confirmed that at the last council meeting there was a motion to draft a bylaw regarding the issuance of new licenses to businesses that sell firearms. This motion will be brought forward next Monday, May 25 for first and second readings. If passed, the proposed bylaw will be scheduled for a Public Hearing on June 23.

Persons with concerns about a proposed bylaw can request time to speak at a Public Hearing. Public Hearing Protocol can be found at:

http://www.corp.delta.bc.ca/assets/Clerks/PDF/bylaw_5000_schedule_c.pdf (http://www.corp.delta.bc.ca/assets/Clerks/PDF/bylaw_5000_schedule_c.pdf)

As well, your concerns about the proposed bylaw could be expressed directly to individual Delta Councillors before next Monday or at any time before the Public Hearing. Contact information for each Delta councillor can be found at:

http://www.corp.delta.bc.ca/EN/main/mayor/council_members.html (http://www.corp.delta.bc.ca/EN/main/mayor/council_members.html)


I have talked to Blair Hagen, President of the National Firearms Association, he lives in Delta and seems willing to offer assistance. He can be reached at 604 596-0193 or 778 241-0683.


If you have any questions, please don’t hesitate to call our office,


BC Wildlife Federation
Unit 101 - 3060 Norland Avenue, Burnaby, BC V5B 3A6
Phone: (604) 291-9990
Fax: (604) 291-9933
Toll Free: 1-888-881-2293


I can be reached at 250-747-3219 or 250-255-0331 (cell)


Mike

[Gunner]

:mrgreen:UPDATE: I just spoke with Brian at Stillwater Sports in Ladner(I used to work there!),The Delta bylaw proposal will NOT affect existing businesses in Delta,it will affect NEW businesses only and will bring the Municipality of Delta into accordance with bylaws ALREADY in place in most Lower Mainland Municipalities(Surrey,Langley,Abbotsford,etc,) Gunner

[brotherjack]

:mrgreen:UPDATE: I just spoke with Brian at Stillwater Sports in Ladner(I used to work there!),The Delta bylaw proposal will NOT affect existing businesses in Delta,it will affect NEW businesses only and will bring the Municipality of Delta into accordance with bylaws ALREADY in place in most Lower Mainland Municipalities(Surrey,Langley,Abbotsford,etc,) Gunner

Why do you say that with a :biggrin: ??? new business or old -- It's still scumbag Nazi-esq crap for which we should have nothing but contempt for -- I don't care how many municipalities are doing it.

[Gunner]

The reason I say that Jack,is that Brian is an old friend,and it sounded like the Council might try to ban the sale of firearms period,therebye putting him out of business.I spent 25 years in the gun business,and I certainly don't like these new bylaws,but they are in effect in almost all municipalities.They do not neccesarily block new gun stores but they can make it pretty difficult to open one if they choose to.It's no different from the other levels of Government,it gives the appearance that council is"doing something" about gun crime.Of course we all know that's nonsense,but it looks good in the Delta Optimist. Gunner

[fowl language]

gunner, i have had communication with the applicant and i believe he is coming to the delta ladner club meeting tonight and bringing documents along as he has been asked.we wont make any comment till we hear his side of the story and know all the facts. malley wacker spent the best part of yesterday on the phone with council members and with bcwf firearms committee and has that side of the story.if every one can hold off till then ,we will keep you apprized of the situation....fowl

[FLHTCUI]

mallywacker, where are you??
what happened at the meeting last night?
So, is Delta going to be getting a gun store that sells handguns and them fancy CZ'z and ak style rifles and stuff??? ;)
Rob

[pmj]

Soo.. what is happening? I will attend the Council Meeting in Delta Monday night (May 25). I guess I will see which way things are going.
I noticed that they are voting at the meeting on:
-Giving themselves a pay raise.
-Resolutions being sent to the UBCM (Union of BC Municipaleties) in June, one which recommends minimum sentencing for gun crime.
-the banning of legitimate businesses in Delta (such as sale or repair of fire arms)
-receiving correspondence from Metro (formerly GVRD) Board Chair Lois Jackson, to encourage member municipalities to support the use of Cage Free Eggs.
-removing land from the ALR (Agricultural Land Reserve).

Hmmm... if you were doing business in Delta who has a better chance, the chicken or the business owner?

[mikeman20]

update:
i recieved an email from the delta council regarding my letter i sent, and it says council will include "members of the hunting advisory committee, delta farmers institute, the NRA and the rod and gun club" in their next meeting june 15th.

[Blktail]

Here is my response sent to the mayor and council:

Dear Mayor and Council

While you are at it, prohibit the sale of booze and automobiles too. That ought to prevent a lot of the carnage on your roads, sidewalks, bars and homes. Knives, bats, hefty pieces of steel, ropes, ice picks, boats, skiing, hockey sticks and skates are sure to follow. Maybe you can even find a way to ban stupidity and evil. After that you can enforce common sense.

Please show me a cost benefit analysis of your proposal to ban firearms. One that doesn't mention "How can you place a price on the cost of one life" without applying the same reasoning to every other risk out there. Keep in mind that if you want the owners of firearms to justify what they do, you open the door to the same for every other risky passtime out there. Maybe even your hobby.

Dana, Victoria, BC.