farmer shot grizz...what to do?

[Billyisgr8]

So when my farmer friend shoots a grizz because of it killing his cattle, what is he to do with it? He hasn't shot it yet, but he said the next time it is there he is going to shoot. What advice should I be giving him?

What is the right way to go about this?

[todbartell]

...........sss................

[ElkMasterC]

Shoot it, and let the CO's know.
All legal. A Rancher is allowed to protect his cattle, period.
They'll probably take it though, not sure about the carcass.

[Ron.C]

Why not tell him to call the CO? Especially if it's happened already and he thinks it may happen again.

[MattW]

I think he should talk to his local CO. There are laws allowing for the protection of livestock but grizzlies are kind of a hot button. An animal that's returning to a farm repeatedly might be a good candidate for one of those live catch bear traps the CO's use although I'm not sure they use them on grizzlies. Looks like everyone posted at the same time. SSS won't work anymore, he already blew it on the last s.

[ufishifish2]

This should make for interesting responses, can't wait.
Option1.) First, he should communicate with the CO's. Try getting them to take care of it. Ask them what they want him to do. Atleast once he makes the complaint, they have it on record. That's a good thing!
Option 2.) Shoot it and then report it to the CO's, they will come and take it away. He may take a bit of flack for this approach.
3.) Shoot it, don't tell anyone, get rid of the evidence. Both the best and worst option, depending on whether anyone finds out or not. Stories about people shooting stuff seem to take wings.

Just my opinion,
Good luck to him.

[DBM]

I met a guy who had to do this, but it was a black bear. Phone the C.O. first to tell him about this, he phoned the C.O. after his shot it and was told to just leave it there to rot.

[bayou]

Dont know what region your in but grizzly season opens in a few days so if its an area with a season why not find someone with a tag to harvest the bear so it is not wasted.

[shortroot]

Contact your local MOE branch and get in contact with a game warden. They will likely get a hold of a local/regional predator control person to assess the situation and deal with it appropriately. The problem is, is that they need a fresh kill to assess whether or not the bear is actually killing the livestock or whether it just happend upon an already dead one. This is frustrating for many ranchers, but a reality. Unless you actually witness the bear killing the animal, or are 100% positive that it has killed the animal it is chewing on, then you should not intervene on your own. The MOE is usually very good to deal with on these matters, although some individuals are may have their days.

[Gateholio]

He better call the CO's before doing anything else. They will advise him on what he can/cannot do and if/when h should shoot the grizzly.

Or, if he is in an area with grizzly LEH, post it here and as soon as the season opens, someone with a grizz tag will come take care of the problem!:wink:

[boxhitch]

...........sss................True colors?.:roll:

Call the hot line 1-877-952-7277. They will start a file, a paper trail is good to have.

[elkdom]

So when my farmer friend shoots a grizz because of it killing his cattle, what is he to do with it? He hasn't shot it yet, but he said the next time it is there he is going to shoot. What advice should I be giving him?

What is the right way to go about this?


1, best way to go about this is start a thread ! ask a lota questions about a "hypothetical situation"

2, get many responses/hypothetical solutions to a hypothetical situation!

3, by the time anyone figures out HOW do the "right thing" the hypothetical "Beef eating grizzly bear will be dead from old age or high cholesterol levels" :rolleyes:

[todbartell]

True colors.:roll:

whaa whaaa whaaaa

[sawmill]

CO first,if it takes another calf before they respond ,kill it.You won`t get to keep the hide.

[Seabass]

Shoot it. Boil the skull and put it on your coffe table. Just saying.8)

[moosehunter21]

Get someone here with a tag to harvest the bear as already stated.

[steelheadSABO]

skin it cook it eat it

[Phil A. Bowl]

Has he tried talking to the bear? maybe hug'it'out

[sako7mm]

Question, is this a cattle ranch? If it is tell him to contact the cattlemans association and they may still be able to help, if not have him call the RAPP line and report the nusiance animal. Kinda early for grizz though.

[hunter1947]

If it where me I would shoot this griz then call the CO and tell them what I did.

[waistdeep]

shoot, shovel, shut-up

[Pete]

BC Cattleman's assoc. has full time trappers that handle predation on livestock. The Rancher can also get compensation for the predation loss.

[wolverine]

Unfortunately the easy way is always the risky way. Listen to the guys telling you to call it in first be it to the CO or to the Cattlemen's Assn. Do it right and save yourself a pile of grief down the road. If that doesn't resolve the problem..... well, there's still the easy way.:wink:

[Fisher-Dude]

So when my farmer friend shoots a grizz because of it killing his cattle, what is he to do with it? He hasn't shot it yet, but he said the next time it is there he is going to shoot. What advice should I be giving him?

What is the right way to go about this?

He can't shoot it just because it is "there". Unless it is damaging his livestock, he can't just blast it in anticipation of something happening.

He better contact the CO Service before he does something stupid, such as some of the BS suggested so far in this thread. He could find himself in deep shit if he doesn't go about this properly.

[martyonthewater]

post the region , perhaps someone on here will have been drawn for an LEH there. it may not seem sporting but 2 birds with one stone? Otherwise sss

[M.Dean]

Punch in "Wild Life Act", the rancher is allowed to shoot dogs, cats mice robins crows magpies yoties wolves and bears and most any other vermin thats killing or chasing his live stock. I would phone the local CO, tell him whats going down just to avoid any problems, and if the bear comes back and is looking to eat his cattle, shoot it, hopefully he has experience with large bears and knows his stuff! Keep us informed!!!

[Gateholio]

I realize that the SSS responses are mostly tongue in cheek, but keep in mind he now has knowledge of the bear, and must report it before further action. He can't claim that he stumbled across a bear that was in the process of killing his livestock and killed it in response.

[Bowtime]

Dont know what region your in but grizzly season opens in a few days so if its an area with a season why not find someone with a tag to harvest the bear so it is not wasted.


This way makes the most sense, happy hunter and farmer. No CO's involved.

[M.Dean]

Hold up there Tim! Don't punch in Wild Life Act, try Live stock Act, it sounds pretty straight forward to shoot a black bear, but a Grizzly maybe a little more delicate, I would get your buddy to make dam sure he has approval from some one with a badge before he shoots the bear! If he caps the Grizz with out getting a hold of the CO's, bet he's going to kick his ass!!!

[pupper]

he isnt in region 5-15a is he? if so PM me I got a tag! :)

[Ambush]

Think maybe there is no grizzly and the guy is just trolling to get illegal, dumb-a$$ remarks for his anti bear hunting site??

[rocksteady]

Think maybe there is no grizzly and the guy is just trolling to get illegal, dumb-a$$ remarks for his anti bear hunting site??


Was sort of thinkin that too.....Why do these things always start out as "I have a friend who....."?

Maybe try the Treadwell approach, talk to the bear, ask it why its so angry.....:mrgreen::mrgreen:

[huntcoop]

If it was my cattle ranch and I was loosing cattle, which equals $$$, I'd shoot the son of a bitch then call a CO.

[elkdom]

waiting for next thread ??? :-?


"Grizzly bears ruined my LIFE! :(,,, as a CATTLE RANCHER ! :roll:

[chilcotin hillbilly]

In my neck of the woods the ranchers have to deal with probably the highest concentration of long claws in the ranching communities. When a cow killer comes along the CO's say you better kill it on your land and in the act of killing your cow or else. You are not allowed to shoot a grizz that is eating your cow unless you can prove it did the killing also, which is tough to do. If your rancher belongs to the cattlemens association he should be able to contact their predator hunter to deal with the problem legally.. thats if you accually have a rancher friend, who would no all this because it is common knowledge in the ranching world.:roll:

[beastman]

I realize that the SSS responses are mostly tongue in cheek, but keep in mind he now has knowledge of the bear, and must report it before further action. He can't claim that he stumbled across a bear that was in the process of killing his livestock and killed it in response.
So by this logic any rancher with knowledge of a bear hanging around his farm should contact his local CO???
That would make for a lot of unnecessary phone calls dontcha think???
And if he had knowledge and didnt report it that means he shouldnt kill it if he sees it endangering his livestock??

seems a little odd to me.

[hunter1947]

I talked to a CO yesterday about this issue he said that the farmer has to contact a CO or the wildlife branch in his area and tell them the problem he has .

[Billyisgr8]

WOW...that is alot of replies. Thanks everyone. I will tell him to contact the CO in his area. Area is 3-34

[Gateholio]

So by this logic any rancher with knowledge of a bear hanging around his farm should contact his local CO???
That would make for a lot of unnecessary phone calls dontcha think???
And if he had knowledge and didnt report it that means he shouldnt kill it if he sees it endangering his livestock??

seems a little odd to me.

If there is a bear or other wildlife killing your livestock, the CO's want you to call them so they can determine the correct course of action. If he looks out the window and sees a bear in the process of killing a cow, I think it's legal to shoot, but if he just sees a bear hanging around a dead cow, it's not the same thing, as it's not 100% certain that it's the same bear that is doing the killing!

If it's just hanging around not doing any damage, there is no need for a call.

[FLHTCUI]

IF I was were you and my buddy asked me for me .02 on this topic, my responce would be to call a lawyer who is familar with Hunting and Firearms laws !! Period !!!
Gatehouse has given several reasons why it should be done and yet we go on with all the arm chair experts.
Yes, the Bear has killed one of his cattle and maybe is stalking another as we speak, but if you dont know it or see it how do we know it is the one that killed the first head of cattle.
Sure it was on his property without permission, but who says it killed anything??
So, if he wants to shoot it and talk all about it, he may as well get a lawyer and get ready for some serious explaining to them and in a court of law.
Rob

[high and to the right]

There are different ways to approach this:

1. One is the Alberta Ralph Klein way with the motto: Shoot; Shovel; Shut Up

2. Another is to shoot and call the CO. I can pretty well guarantee you that you will be charged for shooting the griz. I have second hand knowledge of this with a situation in Alberta. I personally know a farmer who shot 4 griz in the Peace River country. It was a sow with her 3 older cubs making them look more like adults than babies. Very little happened to him after the court case because he was legally colour blind and the lawyer argued that he thought the bears were blacks because at the distance he was shooting other features were not distinguishable and for him they looked black. If they could have proved that he knew they were Griz he would have been in deep trouble.

3. Call the CO and register a complaint. If they have any sense they will put up a trap and catch the bear, and relocate it. If there is a fear about the bear causing harm to a human (child in the area) then you can get a permit to put it down. I was called in once by a farmer friend who had a permit to kill a bear that had stalked his kids when they waited for the bus at the stop by their home quarter. This was 25 years ago, and in Alberta so times may have changed and they may not do this any more but I would go the CO route first unless you are prepared to choose option # 1.

[MichelD]

I know the farmer in Sayward who killed a grizzly in 2006, I think it was.

He's a sheep farmer and his grandchildren were out in the yard when the grizz showed up and charged the big sheep dog.

The first C.O. to show up, a younger officer tried to charge him and then a senior officer showed up and told the younger one off. He was not charged.

But the bear was in the act of being directly aggressive around livestock and people.

[kootenayslam]

Call the CO's, no need to go public these kind of issue only cause problems. whether it gets a lead injection or not, keep it quite, no need to fuel the anti's fires. My 2C.

[huntcoop]

I know the farmer in Sayward who killed a grizzly in 2006........

Sayward has Grizzly bears? Me no think so.

[MichelD]

Not any more huntcoop. Fred shot it in 2006.



Grizzly shot on Vancouver Island

Last Updated: Monday, May 15, 2006 | 12:04 PM PT

CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/credit.html)


A grandfather from the small Island community of Sayward said he had to shoot a grizzly bear on his property this weekend.
Fred Bellerby said the bear showed up at his home on Saturday afternoon while his young granddaughter was playing outside.
"Here comes this bear and they are fast. This field is is about 300 yards of cleared field below the house, and it covered that in no time flat.
"It came up the field and just behind the house, about 50 feet away from the house there was a fence. and it attempted to go through the fence."
Bellerby said he ran and got a his rifle and shot the animal, and then called conservation officers.
Grizzlies are rare on Vancouver Island, and officials suspect this bear swam to the North Island from the mainland.

[huntcoop]

An oddity that it is, I stand corrected.

[MichelD]

Vancouver Sun December 8, 2008:


Somewhere in the mist-shrouded rainforests of northern Vancouver Island, a grizzly bear is hibernating in its winter den. And he is the source of mystery, fascination, and even fear among Island residents.As far as anyone can remember or scientists can determine, only black bears have lived on Vancouver Island.
But this year, grizzlies have been sighted far and wide on northern Vancouver Island and the knot of smaller islands that press close against the coast between Port Hardy and Campbell River.
"This year has definitely been the busiest," Tony Hamilton, large carnivore specialist for the B.C. Ministry of Environment, said in an interview Wednesday.
"The islands are stepping stones, not separated by very much water. It makes sense. If we're going to get grizzlies coming onto Vancouver Island, this is where they'd come through."
Officials suspect three or four sub-adult male grizzlies are responsible for this year's sightings, having paddled and island-hopped their way westward from the B.C. mainland.
A grizzly was photographed at Rugged Point near Kyuquot, on the northwest coast of Vancouver Island in May, close to the time bears emerge from their dens, suggesting it had successfully hibernated on the Island.
That same bear and one or more of the others sighted in the region are likely denning this winter on the Island, too.
A hunting guide spotted another grizzly near Woss later in May, followed by a sighting from a salmon farm east of Port Hardy in June.
Later that month, a grizzly was shot dead at Lagoon Cove Marina on East Cracroft Island, north of Sayward.
Grizzlies are a limited-entry hunt in B.C., which means the ones on Vancouver Island are protected. Exceptions are made where the bear represents a real threat to people or property.
The next two sightings, a week apart in July, are thought to be of the same bear: first, on Malcolm Island near Sointula, then at native-owned Cluxewe Resort near Port Hardy. Conservation officers tried unsuccessfully to trap the bear.
"My advice to the ministry is that this is natural, let it happen," said Hamilton, acknowledging some islanders are twitchy about grizzlies in their midst. "There is more sensitivity because people aren't used to it."
Hamilton argues it's unlikely grizzly bears will reach a sustaining population on Vancouver Island because sub-adult males are the ones seeking out distant new territories while the younger females tend to stay closer to the home range of their birth on the mainland.
Among the theories offered for the migration of grizzlies to Vancouver Island are that the grizzly population is expanding and that bleak coastal salmon runs have forced bears to look farther afield for food.
"The truth is probably somewhere in between," Hamilton said.
Grizzlies have successfully mated with polar bears in the Arctic, but Hamilton knows of no such mating in the wild with black bears.
In 2002, a female grizzly was sighted with cubs on Hardwick Island, near Vancouver Island. The speculation is one of those cubs was shot in 2003 when it wandered into the native village of Tsulquate near Port Hardy - the first confirmed grizzly sighting on Vancouver Island.
Jeanine Johnny lives in the village and called in that bear to authorities. "They thought I was drunk, stoned," she recalled with a laugh Wednesday. "They told me to get some sleep and that it's just a black bear in its natural habitat."
Johnny used to live with grizzlies in Sparwood in southeast B.C. and isn't looking forward to their continuing presence on Vancouver Island. "It's kind of freaky for me," she said.
In 2006, another grizzly was shot by a man who feared for his granddaughter's safety at Sayward.
Hamilton said there were rumours of a grizzly being shot and buried - "a shoot and shovel" - in the 1970s at Sayward, but the report was never confirmed.
lpynn@vancouversun.com

[huntcoop]

Thanx MichelD, good article.

[MichelD]

It's quite startling to hear about this stuff.

I've met the Sayward sheep farmer. He doesn't like to kill things any more than he has too but felt the bear gave him no choice.

[hunter1947]

If they want to increase griz population then put some female grizzlies on the island.

Thanks for your post Michel D.

[RiverOtter]

If they want to increase griz population then put some female grizzlies on the island.


Or, if the population/food resources on the mainland are forcing grizzlies to take to the ocean, may be they should open a season along the coast to help with the problem.

The islander's are already complaining about wolf and cougar numbers on VI, I'd be surprised if they want a new predator to move in. Especially one that historically was never there...

[wighty]

My grandfather was a farmer and a hunter, we had a lot of cattle, a lot of sheep and a couple of horses, We had this problem also with wolces, coyotes, black bear, grizz and cougars. We had neighbors who were also farmers who had the same problems, predators coming after livestock. I remember when ever I stayed there I would be woken up at least twice a summer by gunshot at 7am in the morning. He has Taxidermy of one of each predator wall mounts for the small guys and the bears are rugs, To a farmer, cattle is big money, we bought, raised, bred, ate and sold the meat of our cattle. Whenever he shot ANY animal ANY time of day there was no questions asked, In fact my uncle now owns the farm and still does it to this day, It is also the place where I first learned to shoot

IMO if a predator is going after your livestock, shoot it dead, keep the hide, and if its a digestable animal, eat him up as if it was going to eat your livestock up.

Great to be on the top of the food chain

[Ltbullken]

Are you friggin' serious?! Is this fer real or is this a put-on?!! :eek: WHAT YOU ARE SUGGESTIN IS ENTIRELY ILLEGAL!

Tell your farmer friend to talk to a conservation officer about the problem to come up with a solution. There may be no solution at all but to accept this is the cost of doing business.

Or the farmer can get a griz licence and IF it is in season in the proper MU, maybe the farmer has a griz rug and lots of meat to eat.

[f350ps]

Illegal is just a sick bird!! K

[Billyisgr8]

Are you friggin' serious?! Is this fer real or is this a put-on?!! :eek: WHAT YOU ARE SUGGESTIN IS ENTIRELY ILLEGAL!

Tell your farmer friend to talk to a conservation officer about the problem to come up with a solution. There may be no solution at all but to accept this is the cost of doing business.

Or the farmer can get a griz licence and IF it is in season in the proper MU, maybe the farmer has a griz rug and lots of meat to eat.


Who are you talking too? cause I said " I will tell him to contact the CO in his area. Area is 3-34"
So either you didn't read the whole post, or you are talking to somebody else, I will just assume you are talking to somebody else. I asked a question to get a answer so I could tell him...As of now the grizz has not come back yet, and he hasn't called the CO, he said he will when it comes back.

[wighty]

He was talking to me, and there are a lot of farmers out there that do it. Damn near every one of them that I know have come across this problem and with the same result, no matter where they live, CO's cant be there ALL the time to make sure this doesn't happen, Like I said cattle and other livestock is BIG money when that is how they make their living. BUT if the predator is not going after your livestock they were never shot, Im not going to sit here and explain every detail, but if they are killing your animals on your farm you are allowed to shoot them, and thats coming from the CO who said it was ok for them to do so

[Ltbullken]

Who are you talking too? cause I said " I will tell him to contact the CO in his area. Area is 3-34"
So either you didn't read the whole post, or you are talking to somebody else, I will just assume you are talking to somebody else. I asked a question to get a answer so I could tell him...As of now the grizz has not come back yet, and he hasn't called the CO, he said he will when it comes back.

Nope, didn't read the whole post, only the first thread. :oops: Glad to hear a CO is part of the advice. Cheers!

[GRIZLY HUNTER]

Ask the farmer to call me. :wink:

[Spampy]

Where I grew up it was "Shoot , shovel and shutup!"
But I believe a CO will give good advise.

[abbyfireguy]

Living in Port Kells and raising Simmental Cattle in from 86-91, I had the need to shoot 5 coyotes over a 2 year time frame.
RCMP came the first two times and after I showed him a copy of the Domestic Livestock Act they were satisfied with that.
Predators DO NOT have to kill your cattle or livestock, these yotes were chasing the pregent cows around and harassing them during the birthing time and bit one of the new calves.
End of story ,I won ,yotes lost , plain and simple.
Only thing I was careful with was using a shotgun not my 338 win mag as it was not legal to shoot with a centerfire rifle in Surrey.

[Billyisgr8]

This is an old post, but to give a follow up as to what happend with this grizzly, this grizzly also had attacked and eaten a few sheep from the farmer close. Conservation officer was called and a live trap put in field. Grizz kept eating sheep and chikens (different farms) and then it was decided to shoot the bear, it was shot by conservation, or RCMP can't remember which one, it flattened one of the tires on the live trap after it was shot, and then ran into the woods some what closeby. Next morning a different farmer found the dead grizzly in his barn.

[troutseeker]

I wish a kermode bear would try to eat my livestock!

[Walksalot]

So when my farmer friend shoots a grizz because of it killing his cattle, what is he to do with it? He hasn't shot it yet, but he said the next time it is there he is going to shoot. What advice should I be giving him?

What is the right way to go about this?


As soon as the farmer sees evidence there is a bear attacking his animals he should inform the CO. If the CO doesn't deal with this problem in a timely manner then the farmer takes upon him/herself to deal with the problem. The bottom line is the farmer is loosing income and as we all know when we are loosing money we will do what we can, as quick as we can to remedy the situation.

[r106]

This is an old post, but to give a follow up as to what happend with this grizzly, this grizzly also had attacked and eaten a few sheep from the farmer close. Conservation officer was called and a live trap put in field. Grizz kept eating sheep and chikens (different farms) and then it was decided to shoot the bear, it was shot by conservation, or RCMP can't remember which one, it flattened one of the tires on the live trap after it was shot, and then ran into the woods some what closeby. Next morning a different farmer found the dead grizzly in his barn.


Glad to hear it's all over now and it was dealt with going threw the proper channels.

I bet the farmer that found him in his barn had a mild heart attack at first sight not knowing it was there LOL :mrgreen:
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[.300WSMImpact!]

better to ask for forgiveness then permission, just saying

[capt.T]

a lot of people saying to shoot first then call CO (not a good idea). thats what a farmer did in my neighborhood. the grizz killed a horse, they left the carcass and waited. grizz came back in the morning and they shot it. then they called the CO and got charged with baiting and poaching. cost him a lot of money in legal fees. call the CO first or ?.

[pete_k]

better to ask for forgiveness then permission, just saying

You can ask, but you won't get it.
Only a judge and peers can forgive something like that and they won't.

Forgiveness involves courts and expensive lawyers, criminal record and fines. Probably loss of hunting privilege and firearms, not to mention the embarassment. Best case scenario would be that you get off, but it still cost you 5 to 10 thousand bucks or more. Still on your record though.

That farmer did the right thing calling the CO. Job got done.

[.300WSMImpact!]

You can ask, but you won't get it.
Only a judge and peers can forgive something like that and they won't.

Forgiveness involves courts and expensive lawyers, criminal record and fines. Probably loss of hunting privilege and firearms, not to mention the embarassment. Best case scenario would be that you get off, but it still cost you 5 to 10 thousand bucks or more. Still on your record though.

That farmer did the right thing calling the CO. Job got done.


you guys are no fun, cant even poke the bear

[r106]

better to ask for forgiveness then permission, just saying


No.. It may be easier but not always better.

How just is your reason if you need to hide it? Is it easier to cover it up maybe but it doesn't make it right. I relize in most parts of this province ranchers and farmers need and do take the matters into there own hands and theres nothing wrong with that in most cases. In this case he went threw the proper channels and besides loosing a couple more sheep it was dealt with. THE END
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[bridger]

there are an estimated unreported 70 problem grizz bears shot in the ne each fall

[elkdom]

there are an estimated unreported 70 problem grizz bears shot in the ne each fall

there are NO problem bears,,,,,,,,:twisted:

just problem causing (easy for bears to catch)tasty/yummee/easy to eat dumm tender beef cattle,,,:wink:

and a lot of them(problem cattle) tromping around ,$hiitin in every water pond and creek, and eating everything in sight,, in my favorite Elk hunting valleys,,,,:cry:

[Marlin375]

Both the bad boys that were eating cattle around Hungry Hill are now Stuffed and standing in nice glass cases, one in Houston and its twin brother in the Smithers airport. The CO did the snaring (attempted the first time) and the shooting. If I remember correctly they ate 35 cows in a 10 year period and were very elusive, and they did not know there were 2 until the killing continued after the first was in the Airport.

So that bear is going to get shot one way or another. Relocating bad bears is a thing of the past.

[Seeadler]

Easy, call the CO. I'd advise sending a back up email so that there is a papertrail. If they do nothing, do what the law allows when livestock is being menaced.

[Manglinmike]

This seems like a good time to play shoot and release. No just kiddin call the CO and talk to them,I have found them to be very good to deal with (when you call first).

[Craven200]

Call the CO. May be a bear they will spend time to move, such as a female, which will create more bears to hunt in the future.

[100MileGord]

I'm rootin for the bears!!!

In my area the ranchers post crown grazing leases with "No Trespassing" signs and then complain about loosing cattle to predators mainly wolves.

Cattle are on the range for most of the summer eating at no cost to the rancher and often leave behind destroyed grassland. Bears should have some kind of aboriginal right to a few.

The few truly rogue bears are actually benificial to sport hunters as they make the news in such a way that all but the most ardent green peacer has to concede the need for sport hunting as a method of population control.

As hunters, we should not assume that we are allied with farmers and cattle ranchers.

[elkdom]

I'm rootin for the bears!!!

In my area the ranchers post crown grazing leases with "No Trespassing" signs and then complain about loosing cattle to predators mainly wolves.

Cattle are on the range for most of the summer eating at no cost to the rancher and often leave behind destroyed grassland. Bears should have some kind of aboriginal right to a few.

The few truly rogue bears are actually benificial to sport hunters as they make the news in such a way that all but the most ardent green peacer has to concede the need for sport hunting as a method of population control.

As hunters, we should not assume that we are allied with farmers and cattle ranchers.

the BEARS get a bad rap, eating the tasty ,easy to catch, invasive species,
(cattle included) is only natural,,,,:)

part of the human race wants to protect and enhance the bears, (play MOTHER NATURE) it isnt working,,,
the other part of the human race wants to illuminate them for profitability reasons,,,
and neither approach is a solution,,,

and I personally prefer interacting with bears to ranchers!:cool:

[bayou]

there are an estimated unreported 70 problem grizz bears shot in the ne each fall

Interesting who comes up with this number and how. Who is saying they are problem grizzlys.
If im reading this right since you say they are unreported, that would mean they are illegaly shot or poached.
Or maybe just another play on words.

[boothcreek]

We had a grizz sow with cubs get into all my pens last year in May. Killed over a hundred valuable birds( i raise exotics). Called the CO and asked him what i should do, they first brought a live trap. Had it standing here for 2 weeks with the bear returning nightly and completely ignoring it. The COs identified the bear as a sow that has been raiding farms and homes eating pets and livestock for 2 yrs now and has been relocated twice. They then put in killing snares baited with roadkill, nothin. This bear was smart and avoided it all. COs then said to go ahead and shoot it if I get the chance.

for 3 weeks I sat out every night from 11pm til 7 am with the rifle waiting for it to step under the farm light so I can take a shot. She was back almost everynight, but only stuck to the dark unlit paddocks and enclosures.
Then one night she tried to get into one of my enclosures that was under the light and even standing less then 10 feet from her and less then 5 feet from her small cubs yelling at her she would not stop tearing the pen apart. She got a bullet in the shoulder(too high to be fatal tho.... hard to aim in bad light) and took off running. COs shot her and her cubs about 4 days later in the valley just behind our property.

I am glad she is gone, but kinda miffed that my shot didn't drop her cause I had the permission of the CO to keep her to get mounted if I killed it....


Anna