slob hunters

[horshur]

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came across this scene this afternoon.....about 1.5 km duration...the pics with the most blood are where they had this deer down but somehow with effort it got away....followed it down hill and put it up out of it's bed...on further look it had bedded in 4 different spots.

still alive as we speak with it's hocks and ass ate out. Coyotes are feeling pretty smug this winter going a after mature mule deer buck.

[NEEHAMA]

hhhmmm they ate it's hocks and ass? then it got away?

[horshur]

hhhmmm they ate it's hocks and ass? then it got away?

will forensic scientest---tell me how coyotes general take down large game....pics aren't lying and I ain't fibbing about it still being alive...it lives just above my house.

look in the beds I posted pics of...blood pooling more towards one end.

coyotes snip at the ass end and hocks of the exhausted deer...hair in pics is ass hair.

willy did a shitty job---or should I say just taking a coffe break.

[mcrae]

Man if I was a deer I would be glad for an arrow or a bullet if that's the "natural" way to go....

[RiverOtter]

Notice they are packed up pretty good in my area as well. They are murder on deer, with the hard crust on the snow.

Our local whitetail does will benefit from a good winter thinning, as they're way over populated, but the poor mule deer are taking an unneeeded shit kicking as well.

[mcrae]

Ya know I have never been a coyote or wolf hunter but I am thinking my new .223 will get some hunting time...

[The MAN]

So let me get this straight, the coyotes are slobs? Time to lay off the smoke!:wink:

[RiverOtter]

Too bad everyone couldn't witness a deer/moose/cariboo etc., getting killed "naturally".

It ain't quick, it ain't pretty, and it damn sure ain't painless.....but heaven forbid a guy puts a bullet into a yote/woof.....

People make me laugh....

[M.Dean]

Pretty sure I would have shot it, if it's chewed up real good it's going to get eaten alive just after dark. I don't think to many would disagree with that.

[ElkMasterC]

Pretty sure I would have shot it, if it's chewed up real good it's going to get eaten alive just after dark. I don't think to many would disagree with that.

Ditto. Just do it, and don't tell anyone. Awful way to die. Poor deer.

And then go back and whack all the yotes off the carcass.

[dana]

Yea, a good way to sit out the next 5 years of hunting too. Mother Nature is indeed a Bitch.

[Kye]

may not be pretty, but thats nature. Its not a disney movie out there.

[tracker]

Pretty sure I would have shot it, if it's chewed up real good it's going to get eaten alive just after dark. I don't think to many would disagree with that.



Our feelings do take a part in seeing something like this ,but we should all let nature run its course.:neutral:

[doubled]

Hang out around the deer and wait for the yotes to come in. Everybody needs target practice.

[Bowtime]

I read an article in our local newspaper that dogs were chasing down deer close to town. I'm not saying it's your hound, I assume he goes for the cats not the ungulates. But do you have any neighbors with dogs that might do this?

[horshur]

I read an article in our local newspaper that dogs were chasing down deer close to town. I'm not saying it's your hound, I assume he goes for the cats not the ungulates. But do you have any neighbors with dogs that might do this?

no....what river otter says is true. Guess some have to see it for themselves.

first time I saw it.....coyotes ran yearling in january into page wire I had put up that summer and killed her in our yard at night

half dozen yotes on her at first light.

A dilligent circle in the morning showed it had not been anything but the coyotes.....

[Bowtime]

I don't think people realize the impact coyotes have on the deer. especially at this time of the year.

[Elkhound]

Did the right thing. From what I read of Horshur's posts and hunting experiences he is an ethical person. I respect his decision to not whack the deer. It is against the law....doesnt mean he didnt feel bad about the suffering. We all would. But I am not going to break the law on this one. Let nature do whats been done since time began. Its not pretty, but thats life and death

[huntcoop]

So you are saying the Coyotes are slob hunters?

[horshur]

So you are saying the Coyotes are slob hunters?

yeh kinda....deer is still alive this morning.

[M.Dean]

Phone the C.O.s and see if you can shoot it with a 22. If you have a safe shot and no one close by I can't see a problem.

[horshur]

here is a couple more from this morning


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a young buck

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another up the hill
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so in three days I have posted pics of seven different kills all less than 3-4 kms apart and even at that there is plenty of evidence of more that with a little foot work I would also find.

there are still several deer making a living however all seem to be showing the winter they are skinny and reluctant to move I got a pic of this one just below the sled trail.
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[Mr. Dean]

That how it works. And that's how it should be - "Natural".

[huntcoop]

I'd be killin' the yotes.

[hunter1947]

If you do put this deer down set up and wait for the yots to come back and then put a few of them down as well.

[Walksalot]

I don't think any court in the land would prosecute a person for putting a suffering animal out of it's misery as long as it was safe to do so. I found a fawn near a subdivision which was mauled by dogs or coyotes and I phoned the CO and she came and put it out of it's misery. To let a animal suffer based on the thinking to let nature take it's course is a bit warped. What separates us from the rest of the animals is we have the power of reason. The rest of the animals in the food chain lack the emotion of compassion or the power of reason so a reasonable action to take when confronted with a situation such as the one described is to put the animal out of it's misery. The food chain will not be compromised.

[Mr. Dean]

To let a animal suffer based on the thinking to let nature take it's course is a bit warped.


Call me warped... I simply look at it as personal (freedom of) choice.

[Walksalot]

Call me warped... I simply look at it as personal (freedom of) choice.


If that were the case then no animals would be lent assistance in a hard winter or any other situation which occurs naturally.

[nomad]

Looks like a real good opportunity for some predator hunting! Follow that half assed deer around and thin out that pack!

[PGK]

So I'll bite. Why aren't you shooting coyotes? Looks like a damned easy proposition

[killman]

So I'll bite. Why aren't you shooting coyotes? Looks like a damned easy proposition

Coyotes are bullet proof! :razz:

[horshur]

three more kills today...

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my daughter came along this time....bout 5 eagles working this one betrayed where it was just above the treeline

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[ElkMasterC]

Are all these Coyote kills, meaning, there's forensic evidence, and a blood trail, or are some winter kills that Yotes and others have come upon?

[horshur]

Are all these Coyote kills, meaning, there's forensic evidence, and a blood trail, or are some winter kills that Yotes and others have come upon?

on most I have found a blood trail prior to being pulled down however that said most deer are weak and conditions have been in the coyotes favor for weeks.

I have also found a few that just died in there beds.

we are having a significant winterkill.

[PGK]

Are all these Coyote kills, meaning, there's forensic evidence, and a blood trail, or are some winter kills that Yotes and others have come upon?

All the pics he is posting appear to be yote kills, wolves would (typically) leave a lot less evidence

[Mr. Dean]

If that were the case then no animals would be lent assistance in a hard winter or any other situation which occurs naturally.

Disagree, different situation. In fact, I have contributed to such cause.


And that was a personal choice also. :wink:

[ElkMasterC]

Disagree, different situation. In fact, I have contributed to such cause.
And that was a personal choice also. :wink:

Interference is interference.

You're going to differentiate between a mercy killing of a deer that will surely die, and artificially feeding wintering animals so they don't?

You're going to say they don't stem from compassion for our prey?

I don't get what your saying, Bunny-Boiling Buddy! ;-)


The only concession I would make there is that you're interfering with feeding to sustain numbers in that one small area to hunt. (And covering up your soft caramel inside)
The counterpoint to that is that you dump the wounded deer, end it's pain, and whack all the Coyotes that come in to feed off it, thus also helping the deer. Interfering also, mind you, but keeping numbers up in one very small area until the grass greens.
Interference is meddling, two sides of the same coin. Why are you proposing that one is mo' better than the other?

[horshur]

All the pics he is posting appear to be yote kills, wolves would (typically) leave a lot less evidence

this triple header are the wolves work....lotsa evidence in tracks.

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from number three you can look down to number two on the road

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[Johnnybear]

Disagree, different situation. In fact, I have contributed to such cause.


And that was a personal choice also. :wink:

So you are admitting to feeding wild life? In what situation does this make it legal?

[BEARSLAYER]

Been gone for a few days but , a great thread. Two years ago my youngest son and Iwere at our high camp in Christian Valley , I had just dropped him off at his stand and set up only a 5 min. walk away. I had not set down 3 min. when I heard the shot.Turns out my son was walking to his stand when he saw 2 yots.bringing down a 3 point mule deer. Being his first deer he shot and the dogs were gone.When we got up to the deer his whole rump was gone , but my son insited we skin it and take it home. We hung that deer 10 feet from the tent trailer with sheets on it. Next morning we woke to a set of ribs, deer leg without meat and on very mad young hunter. From then to now every animal goes up a least 20 feet in the tree. And yes all the tracks under the deer were yots.

[ElkMasterC]

What do you mean "Wolves leave a lot less evidence"?
They eat what's there, and split.

What is this, CSI?

[Ambush]

on most I have found a blood trail prior to being pulled down however that said most deer are weak and conditions have been in the coyotes favor for weeks.I have also found a few that just died in there beds.we are having a significant winterkill.

Is the winter unusually severe compared to the last several?

[Mr. Dean]

I don't get what your saying, Bunny-Boiling Buddy! ;-)


One is a measure in Conservation (winter feeding), the other isn't. It's just something that people do in order to feel better/justified/good about themselves.


Here's my thinking; We interfere and there's chance that we also interrupt a natural cycle of events, ie; There could be another pred in the line-up for a meal that at the sound of the shot, flees without getting its turn. Or (????????).

It's just a personal choice. I wouldn't 'slam' another for playing the "softie" card..... To each their own I figure.


But I believe that if someone wants to put forth a real Conservation measure, then save your bullets and get out there and hunt some pred's. :smile:

[Mr. Dean]

So you are admitting to feeding wild life? In what situation does this make it legal?


Sure, I have a bird feeder in my back yard.

[horshur]

Is the winter unusually severe compared to the last several?

yeh.the snow levels at valley bottom are deepest I have seen in my 15 years living here.

[BCrams]

What region is this occuring in, just so hunters know where to avoid hunting deer next fall? :lol:

[dutchie]

Sure, I have a bird feeder in my back yard.

BUSTED!!! I would have just pled the 5th!

All I have to say is one of my best friends broke his leg this weekend and he was sitting in the ER for about 6 hours with no pain killers, no nothing other then his wife and he was sent home with a few Percocet... Until today at 1pm were he can see a specialist. and then mabey surgery in a few days....

This is somthing called life and we may not like the outcome or the suffereing but it is somthing that happeneds.

This is somthing that people have to deal with because it is what has been happening since the begining of time...

Now all you have to do is go and kill the yotes that are killing the deer.. that is also a part of nature.

dutchie

[horshur]

What region is this occuring in, just so hunters know where to avoid hunting deer next fall? :lol:

there is a doe that has managed to keep her triplets alive...but she isn't a mule deer.

found two more dead today as well as a sick one just wishing he would.

pretty grim here.

sure was hoping the pics would suggest I weren't Bs'ing....last year as well saw significant predation on fawns well into april.

now you maybe would be able to tell me how many winters of poor fawn survival before the population crashes???

my logic thinks maybe 3-4?

[NewInWestsyde]

Follow that half assed deer around and thin out that pack!

sorry but don't know if this is a goor quote or???/:idea: