Grizzly Anti BS

[guest]

Check out the FULL page add in this mornings Vancouver Sun !

They are at it again, apparrently, they know the numbers of G bears we have in BC, but the Province doesn't.

What a joke, where will it stop? If we loose G Bear hunting, Sheep, Goat, Moose, etc. etc. are next.

Pathetic really.

CT

[Steeleco]

You know they're not the sharpest pencil in the box when they spend all that money on a paper add. Who reads them anymore.

[Seabass]

Is there a place where us hunters could send a letter to?? I'll give the paper two cents...:-x

We really need to find a spokesman for hunting and shooting here in Canada. Some smart looking articulate fella. Not some guy like me in a plaid coat, unshaven, 4 letter word vocabullary (lack of good proper speaking english :lol:) fly down, work boots, too advocate our sport and get some positive media attention. I'd do it but I don't think I'd be doing anyone but the anti's any favors!!!

Cheers

Seabass

[Steeleco]

Seabass, I would hope that's what the BCWF is doing for us. The problem is even as you say, we find a "very articulate" advocate, the other side will only hear what they want too. It's the fence sitters we need to work on.

[Comshel]

The young girl is quite literate for a Grade 7 student, but she has her geography mixed up, I've never found a Great Bear Rainforest on any official map of BC. ( Coined by the antis )

[happygilmore]

Need to take them into a few prime areas, duct tape them to a tree, fire off a couple of diner bell shots and let them do an acurate count!;-)

[thunderheart]

Great Bear Rainforest

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The Great Bear Rainforest is the name given by environmental groups in the 1990s to a region of temperate rain forest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperate_rain_forest), specifically Pacific temperate rain forest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_temperate_rain_forests), located on the coast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Columbia_Coast) of British Columbia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Columbia), Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada), from Vancouver Island (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vancouver_Island) north to Alaska (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska). The region targeted by the campaign is 64,000 km² (25,000 sq mile) in size.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Bear_Rainforest#cite_note-0) It features 1,000 year old western red cedars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuja_plicata) and 90 metre Sitka Spruce (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picea_sitchensis).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Bear_Rainforest#cite_note-1)
Coastal rainforests are characterized by having proximity to both ocean and mountains. The offshore ocean flow into the mountain ranges causes abundant precipitation to fall on the land in between the mountains and the ocean. Most of the Alaska, British Columbia, Washington and Oregon coastal areas share this same pattern.
The area dubbed the Great Bear Rainforest is one of the largest remaining tracts of unspoiled temperate rainforest left in the world.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] A February 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_2006) agreement between the provincial government and a wide coalition of conservationists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservationist), loggers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logger), hunters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter), and First Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Nations) established a series of conservancies stretching 400 kilometres (250 miles) along the coast. The protected areas will contain 18,000 km² (4.4 million acres), and another 46,900 km² (11.6 million acres) that is to be run under a management plan that is expected to ensure sustainable forest management (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_forest_management).
The area is home to hundreds of species, including cougars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cougar), wolves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_Wolf), salmon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmon), grizzly bears (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizzly_Bear), and the Kermode ("spirit") bear (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermode_bear), a unique subspecies of the black bear (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_black_bear), in which one in ten cubs display a recessive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominance_%28genetics%29) white colored coat .
The Canadian government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Canada) announced on 21 January (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_21) 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007) that it will spend CAN$30m (US$26m, £13m) to protect this rainforest. This matches a pledge made previously by the British Columbia provincial government, as well as private donations of $60 million, making the total funding for the new reserve $120 million.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Bear_Rainforest#cite_note-2)
In the Fall of 2008, ForestEthics, Greenpeace and Sierra Club of Canada, BC Chapter launched an online campaign titled, "Keep the Promise," to put public pressure on the government of BC Premier Gordon Campbell, to honour the Great Bear Rainforest agreement in its entirety. The groups are concerned that certain aspects of the agreement, including implementation of ecosystem based management, will not materialize in time for the government's own final implementation deadline of March 31, 2009 [4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Bear_Rainforest#cite_note-3).



A February 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_2006) agreement between the provincial government and a wide coalition of conservationists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservationist), loggers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logger), hunters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter), and First Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Nations) established a series of conservancies stretching 400 kilometres (250 miles) along the coast. The protected areas will contain 18,000 km² (4.4 million acres), and another 46,900 km² (11.6 million acres) that is to be run under a management plan that is expected to ensure sustainable forest management (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_forest_management).
The area is home to hundreds of species, including cougars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cougar), wolves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_Wolf), salmon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmon), grizzly bears (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizzly_Bear), and the Kermode ("spirit") bear (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermode_bear), a unique subspecies of the black bear (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_black_bear), in which one in ten cubs display a recessive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominance_%28genetics%29) white colored coat .
The Canadian government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Canada) announced on 21 January (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_21) 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007) that it will spend CAN$30m (US$26m, £13m) to protect this rainforest. This matches a pledge made previously by the British Columbia provincial government, as well as private donations of $60 million, making the total funding for the new reserve $120 million.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Bear_Rainforest#cite_note-2)
In the Fall of 2008, ForestEthics, Greenpeace and Sierra Club of Canada, BC Chapter launched an online campaign titled, "Keep the Promise," to put public pressure on the government of BC Premier Gordon Campbell, to honour the Great Bear Rainforest agreement in its entirety. The groups are concerned that certain aspects of the agreement, including implementation of ecosystem based management, will not materialize in time for the government's own final implementation deadline of March 31, 2009 [4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Bear_Rainforest#cite_note-3).

some pretty big name players pushing for this and is you do a google search and look at the maps of what they hope to encompass with this park .. we might as well sell our guns and by hormone infeasted beef and chicken .....
note the time line.. MARCH 31 2009

welcome to B.C. (aka B.ring C.ash)

i dont pretend to understand all of this, all i know is that BC is being taken away from the average joe citizen

[elkdom]

The soon to "BE" election coming this spring gives reason for save "the BEAR! Ads", It is as regular as the seasons, every ELECTION, the "Tree hugging,Veggie-Pablum slurping, Greenies" try and play their " Stop HUNTING the Endangered GRIZZLY CARD ", usually followed by stop All BEAR Hunting!, stop eating MEAT!, stop LOGGING!, just another PAID for AD, promoted by persons with NO REAL purpose in life, other than make the WORLD aware that they have an opinion! and that they have NO real comprehension of the FACTS! :?

[huntwriter]

Is there a place where us hunters could send a letter to?? I'll give the paper two cents...:-x
sunletters@png.canwest.com


We really need to find a spokesman for hunting and shooting here in Canada. Some smart looking articulate fella. Not some guy like me in a plaid coat, unshaven, 4 letter word vocabullary (lack of good proper speaking english :lol:) fly down, work boots, too advocate our sport and get some positive media attention. I'd do it but I don't think I'd be doing anyone but the anti's any favors!!!

Cheers

Seabass That would actually be the job of the BCWF and other hunter organizations in this province. While these organizations frequently send out “alert” letters to their members they rarely - make that never - engage in public promotion. The general attitude of these organizations seems to be “don’t rock the boat”.

If I have one problem with BC and Canadian hunting organizations then it is that they are just not aggressive enough in public. I work quit a bit for some American organizations and they are way more aggressive. An ad like the one in the Vancouver sun would be answered the next day with a bigger ad from a hunting organization setting the record straight. We still have a lot to learn here about being proactive and less humble in public. Until then it is up to us, the individual hunter, to take up the slack by writing to newsletters and TV stations each time they attempt to malign hunters, hunting or publish garbage ads as in this particular case.

[BigfishCanada]

Ill be sending a letter to the sun, I was sick reading these mis lead, fictional un truth (Lies)

She started by saying "this nice grizzly walked by me about 10 feet from where i was, while I dug for rice roots" . Her dad she be put in jail for neglecting his child if that was the truth. Ill prey that her tree hugging dad doesnt get her mauled by a bear.

They want the public to think that , aww so cute my daughter cuddled it also!!!!

Email this Deppak Chopra guy to stick with his yoga, rather than to sign his name on things that are not facts, If he only took the time to understand that its hunters that want to research wildlife, and understand better how to manage them to assure they are here forever!!! Ohh ya, they also describe poachers as hunters, Pathedic misleading lies!!!

[huntwriter]

Ill be sending a letter to the sun, I was sick reading these mis lead, fictional un truth (Lies)

She started by saying "this nice grizzly walked by me about 10 feet from where i was, while I dug for rice roots" . Her dad she be put in jail for neglecting his child if that was the truth. Ill prey that her tree hugging dad doesnt get her mauled by a bear.

They want the public to think that , aww so cute my daughter cuddled it also!!!!

Email this Deppak Chopra guy to stick with his yoga, rather than to sign his name on things that are not facts, If he only took the time to understand that its hunters that want to research wildlife, and understand better how to manage them to assure they are here forever!!! Ohh ya, they also describe poachers as hunters, Pathedic misleading lies!!!

Good on you for sending off a letter so did I. As hunters we have the moral obligation to inform the public about the truth because none else will. It's ads like that, that make people think they can approach bears too and then end up as their dinner. Just like that lunaticTimothy Treadwell who is responsible for his and his girlfriend's death by a grizzly.

[budismyhorse]

any link to the add you guys can provide?

[Blktail]

Someone should send the cute little girl the audio of the American moron grizzly expert and his girlfriend getting killed in Alaska a few years ago. He thought he was one with the bears too. She and her father might reconsider communing with nature in such an irresponsible way. I like the negligence charge angle as well.

[870]

That letter made me sick, speechless, and quite upset.
these fictional accounts and "facts" are being fed to the general public with no regard for the truth. How can we raise public awareness? there needs to be a public response to things like this. I'm sure some of you out there who hunt bear as well feel like you just got slapped in the face by a little kid in grade 7.

on a lighter note,
I would love to see that girl petting and taking photos of a Grizzly bear. or relocate a few into stanley park and let them run free so that everyone can take pictures and enjoy them close to vancouver.

[elker]

Canada need to have a guy like NRA's Wayne LaPierre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_LaPierre)

Those who write fake stories have to be publicly named and embarrassed.

[huntwriter]

That letter made me sick, speechless, and quite upset.
these fictional accounts and "facts" are being fed to the general public with no regard for the truth. How can we raise public awareness? there needs to be a public response to things like this. I'm sure some of you out there who hunt bear as well feel like you just got slapped in the face by a little kid in grade 7.


You can, by writing a letter to the newspaper editor and tell them how sick it makes you to read such irresponsible drivel and then give your view of the facts about nature and wildlife from an educated (outdoorsman) perspective. If we don’t do it none will.:wink:

[Seabass]

I wrote them a letter!! Thanks to word I even got the spelling right!!;-)

Can anyone give me a contact number to the bctf, or whatever is supposed to be in our corner supporting us?? I'd like to ask them some tough questions and go Nancy Grace (I hate her) or their ace....

Cheers

Proud Hunter

[kebes]

It's ads like that, that make people think they can approach bears too and then end up as their dinner.

So true. Last spring we had a couple bears hanging around my college dorm building just outside of abbotsford. I was actually amazed and scared at the same time by how ignorant people are. "look a bear, do you think I can pet it?" I kid you not people would walk 10 feet in front of it and think nothing would happen to them. I tried telling people, "hello....wild animal." Hopefully they don't learn the hard way.

[huntwriter]

I wrote them a letter!! Thanks to word I even got the spelling right!!;-)

Can anyone give me a contact number to the bctf, or whatever is supposed to be in our corner supporting us?? I'd like to ask them some tough questions and go Nancy Grace (I hate her) or their ace....

Cheers

Proud Hunter

Well done Seabass. I am sure you mean the BCWF. Here is the link (http://www.bcwf.bc.ca/about/contact.html) to their contact page where you find emails of all the board members and the main office mailing address.

Let them know how you feel and ask the tough questions so I am not always the only one.:D

[huntwriter]

So true. Last spring we had a couple bears hanging around my college dorm building just outside of abbotsford. I was actually amazed and scared at the same time by how ignorant people are. "look a bear, do you think I can pet it?" I kid you not people would walk 10 feet in front of it and think nothing would happen to them. I tried telling people, "hello....wild animal." Hopefully they don't learn the hard way.

I believe you. I have seen stupid things like that with my own eyes. In downtown Maple Ridge a bear climbed into a tree and an idiot climbed up the tree after the bear because he wanted to pet it.:eek:

[Will]

Just like that lunaticTimothy Treadwell who is responsible for his and his girlfriend's death by a grizzly.
Not too mention the Two Bears that were needlessly Killed when authorities had to go in and retreive the corpses........Ironic how something he'd sworn to protect had to be destroyed due to his own ignorance ?

Letter sent as well.........:wink:

[Seabass]

So this is what I wrote to the BCWF, Presedent Mel Arnold.



Dear Mr. Arnold

I am greatly appalled and upset at the increasing amounts of negative publicity the hunting community has been receiving lately. Local papers (Sun / Province) and TV news (global) have been making one sided arguments against hunting. It is frustrating enough to hear this one sided babble from people who wish to making hunting illegal and who will lie and make untrue “facts” to support themselves. It is just as bad for the media to report these extremist views as ‘facts’.

I am a longtime hunter and outdoorsman, I obey the laws and have great respect for nature. I think it is a privilege to hunt, fish and enjoy the great outdoors.
Do to radical environmentalists and the media who report on them, our rights are being threatened. More and more I find it difficult to portray a positive image to the general public, myself and many like me are in a uphill fighting to defend out lawful action to co-workers, family members, and strangers alike.

I would just like to know what actions you at the BCWF are taking right now to counter increasing anti hunting pressure and why we as hunters don’t seem to be fairly portrayed in the media. In my opinion we must make a stronger and more aggressive stand.

[Will]

I would just like to know what actions you at the BCWF are taking right now to counter increasing anti hunting pressure and why we as hunters don’t seem to be fairly portrayed in the media. In my opinion we must make a stronger and more aggressive stand.

Exactly........I have been critisized for some of my comments on this board and others for my views on photos etc. I refuse to "Pretty up" my pics and I refuse to go out of my way and "Hide" my animals when transporting them....continuing to do this only further alienates those that do not hunt from those that do.

Time for Hunters to stand up for themselves and stop living in the shadows IMO.

[huntwriter]

So this is what I wrote to the BCWF, Presedent Mel Arnold.



Dear Mr. Arnold

I am greatly appalled and upset at the increasing amounts of negative publicity the hunting community has been receiving lately. Local papers (Sun / Province) and TV news (global) have been making one sided arguments against hunting. It is frustrating enough to hear this one sided babble from people who wish to making hunting illegal and who will lie and make untrue “facts” to support themselves. It is just as bad for the media to report these extremist views as ‘facts’.

I am a longtime hunter and outdoorsman, I obey the laws and have great respect for nature. I think it is a privilege to hunt, fish and enjoy the great outdoors.
Do to radical environmentalists and the media who report on them, our rights are being threatened. More and more I find it difficult to portray a positive image to the general public, myself and many like me are in a uphill fighting to defend out lawful action to co-workers, family members, and strangers alike.

I would just like to know what actions you at the BCWF are taking right now to counter increasing anti hunting pressure and why we as hunters don’t seem to be fairly portrayed in the media. In my opinion we must make a stronger and more aggressive stand.



Again, well done Seabass. I hope others will follow your example.