wolves and whitetails don't mix

[bridger]

A friend of mine heard wolves howling outside his ranch house the other night and found the remains of this 5x5 whitetail buck wolves had killed about 200 yards from the house. Not much left for the ravens


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[cmc destroyer]

Looks like they completely ate the whole thing according to the pic

[daycort]

http://www.huntingbc.ca/photos/data/501/wolves_awhitetails.jpg

Here is the pic I am sure bridger wouldn't mind.

Those damn wolves. I haven't seen this low of deer numbers ever. From Rose Prairie to the Halfway Valley there is hardly any deer left to what there was 3 years ago. There is a bad wolf problem and a bad die off of deer 2 years ago has me shaking my head about what the ministry bio's was thinking with such liberal seasons the past 2 years. Most ranchers in the area put on some pressure on and poof here is the season you want. kill all elk and deer. I even know several ranchers that stopped letting hunters on there land to try and save the little deer they have left. Go figure.

I here it isn't near as bad in the south peace area for the die off witch is good.

[island grown]

the link says it is invalid, it won't work

[whitetailsheds]

Ditto what daycourt said.....from the south peace.....

[Ddog]

invalid link for me to

[elkdom]

Ditto what daycourt said.....from the south peace.....

Old Hill-Billy proverb;,

" better to spend 4 seconds to line Up On A Wolf and Squeeze the Trigger,,

than hunt 4 days for a deer eatin by wolves a month ago! "

[daycort]

Sorry to steal your thread there bridger but what does everyone think of the liberal seasons in the peace country the last 2 years??
Its obvious what I think.

[elkdom]

Sorry to steal your thread there bridger but what does everyone think of the liberal seasons in the peace country the last 2 years??
Its obvious what I think.

Rediculous timming the GOS for antlerless deer, more liberal GOS for bucks, the same year as record breaking amounts of snow, the MOE decides on allowing more open season for deer and elk, finally accepting complaints from ranchers and farmers about ungulate OVER population in some areas in the PEACE ( 7 B) mostly whats known as (7-20a) the ag areas, so the same winter that deep snows and freezing rain long cold spells kills off huge numbers of ungulates (starvation, exhaustion) the MOE opens it up, a special antlerless season in spring(March) for antlerles mule deer and extra elk antlerless across counter tags( yeah that year guys you could buy 2 tags in Reg 7 for elk), that same winter the PREDITORS,( WOLVES,COYOTIES) have a friggen SMORGASBOARD of dying and dead ungulates, so the preditors reproduce like never has been seen before, Healthier preditors, bigger healthier litters! the ungulate heards were decimated!!!, now HUGE healthy numbers of PREDITORS are taking a toll on heards trying to recover from devastating winter conditions a couple of years ago, buy the time that the MOE responds, if EVER with a strategy it will too little, too late! ,,although deer numbers in Southern 7-20a near here are not so bad as other areas of 7-B, the deer numbers here are at what I estimate about 35/ 40 % of what they were 5 years ago!, and now Wolf and Coyoty sightings are about 200 % increased!

[Kye]

At least they used all the deer.

[elkdom]

Last year in an area about 10 X 20 klms, I know of more than 16 wolves being killed, but this fall we are seeing them in numbers just as much as last year, many times when I enquire about wolf encounters with tourist hunters, they answer yes, we saw a wolf, or some wolves, when I ask did you kill any??, most say WHY? would I kill a wolf ?, if we shoot at a wolf we may ruin our day of deer/ elk hunting buy firing a shot at a wolf, and besides that, it costs lots to have a mount/rug done by a taxidermist! many also reply ,,,,,"is wolf season open here?? whats the bag limit??, do I need a TAG?? so the same guys after a tough hunt, maybe unsuccessfull hunt, they will complain and say the wolves are eating our big game! hmmmmm??? duh!

[Allen50]

well it looks like a better deboneing job then i'v see from some hunters,, ha ha ha ha lol lol..

[elkdom]

well it looks like a better deboneing job then i'v see from some hunters,, ha ha ha ha lol lol..

yep! when a pack of wolves gets done deboning a critter, its about as much nourishment left as "tag soup" lmao

[hunter1947]

Wolfs are eating machines ,they kill everything in there paths ,when they are a problem they have to be reduced in population or they will clean the deer population to very low numbers.

[bayou]

you should read thread #283 under the spences bridge ram topic it gives some good info on wolves.

[horshur]

you should read thread #283 under the spences bridge ram topic it gives some good info on wolves.

tell me how much it costs....all info avoids actual dollars spent per wolf.

[BCHunterFSJ]

I hunted deer throughout most of the season and was simply appalled at the lack of deer in Region 7b. Even on the fabled "Hudson's Hope Road" where in the past one could count literally hundreds of mulies, there are now hardly any to be seen... The wilderness areas that I hunt for whities are completely trampled with wolf tracks. I do not know who the Ministry of Environment is in bed with, but there have been some very poor decisions made in the management of our deer populations here.

[GoatGuy]

You guys should talk to the folks in the Smoky District in Alberta. The problem with deer when you get to their northern limit is that they're very susceptible to high winter kill. Regulations have to be reactive but at the same time you're better off keeping things low and let hunters feed their families rather than feed wolves and yotes. You're going to have bad winters often with die-offs - that's just a fact of life. Could be as many as 2 or 3 every 10 years and major die-offs every 30 years.

The guys in the Smoky District (Grande Prairie etc) area said their mule deer and wt deer got knocked back big time as well. They've been cutting their antlerless allocation on mule deer back but they haven't made any change to wt. Current wt is either sex from mid-september to end of Nov + 2 supplemental antlerless tags. None of this 3 week long 4pt or better :shock:. They don't feel like they're holding the wt population back by any means and they also got preds just like you guys do. Just something to consider.

[Creeker]

Different story this year there Elkdom. I am happy to see an avid outdoorsman finally come around to reality that the game in your specific hunting spot doesnt relate to the actuality of the game numbers in the entire region of 7B.

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Re: dawson creek
so happy ! guided two non res hunters 5 days,2 muley bucks 160 class, one white tail buck, 155 green scored, NOT much for deer out here! you guys need glasses or are you stuck in traffic?get a life, a few old sick deer died from a tough winter ,its time some of those sick old critters bit the dust, the REGS have been protective for so many years ,most deer die of old age ,more deer are killed by cars in REG 7B than by hunters in most years,it gets cold most hunters head for the warm and fuzzy, the rut gets going and every one has gone home,its 30 below and no ones hunting !the really big ones are the last to come out! bew hew bew hew! Feeding opportunities are better now in this region than its been for 100 yrs and suddenly all the wildlife is at risk from winter, god winter has come and gone for millions of years, do you guys think biologists have kept the game alive or do you think they survived by natural selection,survival of the fittist? Gees maybe we should round them all up and keep them in barns, and give them vitamins till hunting season starts next year, that should make for a healthy herd of deer!
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[Creeker]

That being said, how do we come together in the north to get these liberal Deer and Moose seasons changed to reflect the reduced game numbers IMHP of these 2 species in region 7b.

I really hope that these latest 2008 warm spells with rain does not create another nasty crust situation for our game in the winter of 08-09 in 7B this winter.

[ElkMasterC]

Different story this year there Elkdom. I am happy to see an avid outdoorsman finally come around to reality that the game in your specific hunting spot doesnt relate to the actuality of the game numbers in the entire region of 7B.

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Re: dawson creek
so happy ! guided two non res hunters 5 days,2 muley bucks 160 class, one white tail buck, 155 green scored, NOT much for deer out here! you guys need glasses or are you stuck in traffic?get a life, a few old sick deer died from a tough winter ,its time some of those sick old critters bit the dust, the REGS have been protective for so many years ,most deer die of old age ,more deer are killed by cars in REG 7B than by hunters in most years,it gets cold most hunters head for the warm and fuzzy, the rut gets going and every one has gone home,its 30 below and no ones hunting !the really big ones are the last to come out! bew hew bew hew! Feeding opportunities are better now in this region than its been for 100 yrs and suddenly all the wildlife is at risk from winter, god winter has come and gone for millions of years, do you guys think biologists have kept the game alive or do you think they survived by natural selection,survival of the fittist? Gees maybe we should round them all up and keep them in barns, and give them vitamins till hunting season starts next year, that should make for a healthy herd of deer!
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[elkdom]

Creeker ,it seems your trying to make a point, some deer and moose died off a couple of years ago, the past two winters have been friendly for wildlife populations, majority of does this year were with "two" fawns many with "three" fawns, I realy had no problem finding deer and lots of them, or did persons I invited up here to hunt elk, deer or moose with me, of coarse if you beat the bushes for game and they are 10 miles away your gonna have some trouble, OH well, too bad for you, as for reversing the GOS for antlerless deer and elk, that would me a return to over grazing and agricultural complaints, I guess until everyone is "HAPPY" there will be the same old crying as usual,,, It still sounds like your stuck in traffic or need glassess,,,,,,,,

[Creeker]

The only point i am making is you should re-read some of your own posts. As you seem to be a know it all , bag of wind.

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Sorry to steal your thread there bridger but what does everyone think of the liberal seasons in the peace country the last 2 years??
Its obvious what I think.

Rediculous timming the GOS for antlerless deer, more liberal GOS for bucks, the same year as record breaking amounts of snow, the MOE decides on allowing more open season for deer and elk, finally accepting complaints from ranchers and farmers about ungulate OVER population in some areas in the PEACE ( 7 B) mostly whats known as (7-20a) the ag areas, so the same winter that deep snows and freezing rain long cold spells kills off huge numbers of ungulates (starvation, exhaustion) the MOE opens it up, a special antlerless season in spring(March) for antlerles mule deer and extra elk antlerless across counter tags( yeah that year guys you could buy 2 tags in Reg 7 for elk), that same winter the PREDITORS,( WOLVES,COYOTIES) have a friggen SMORGASBOARD of dying and dead ungulates, so the preditors reproduce like never has been seen before, Healthier preditors, bigger healthier litters! the ungulate heards were decimated!!!, now HUGE healthy numbers of PREDITORS are taking a toll on heards trying to recover from devastating winter conditions a couple of years ago, buy the time that the MOE responds, if EVER with a strategy it will too little, too late! ,,although deer numbers in Southern 7-20a near here are not so bad as other areas of 7-B, the deer numbers here are at what I estimate about 35/ 40 % of what they were 5 years ago!, and now Wolf and Coyoty sightings are about 200 % increased!
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[elkdom]

The only point i am making is you should re-read some of your own posts. As you seem to be a know it all , bag of wind.

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Sorry to steal your thread there bridger but what does everyone think of the liberal seasons in the peace country the last 2 years??
Its obvious what I think.

Rediculous timming the GOS for antlerless deer, more liberal GOS for bucks, the same year as record breaking amounts of snow, the MOE decides on allowing more open season for deer and elk, finally accepting complaints from ranchers and farmers about ungulate OVER population in some areas in the PEACE ( 7 B) mostly whats known as (7-20a) the ag areas, so the same winter that deep snows and freezing rain long cold spells kills off huge numbers of ungulates (starvation, exhaustion) the MOE opens it up, a special antlerless season in spring(March) for antlerles mule deer and extra elk antlerless across counter tags( yeah that year guys you could buy 2 tags in Reg 7 for elk), that same winter the PREDITORS,( WOLVES,COYOTIES) have a friggen SMORGASBOARD of dying and dead ungulates, so the preditors reproduce like never has been seen before, Healthier preditors, bigger healthier litters! the ungulate heards were decimated!!!, now HUGE healthy numbers of PREDITORS are taking a toll on heards trying to recover from devastating winter conditions a couple of years ago, buy the time that the MOE responds, if EVER with a strategy it will too little, too late! ,,although deer numbers in Southern 7-20a near here are not so bad as other areas of 7-B, the deer numbers here are at what I estimate about 35/ 40 % of what they were 5 years ago!, and now Wolf and Coyoty sightings are about 200 % increased!
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What ever you say 'creeker' ,lol , both my freezers are full of elk, moose,deer this fall as every fall, my taxidermist has some more of my money to do my mounts, so I am happy!! hee hee, are YOU? lmao

[Creeker]

Actually your last post confirms the only thing I am trying to say.
Here it is in plain English.

There is nothing worse than listening to a Fat head go on and on about how good he is, and how many animals he has killed, and how great his spot is, and so on.

We ALL know how good you are, trust me we have read enough.

You are trying to make it about you against me when, All i was saying last year you were rubbing it alot of peoples noses how good you are, and this year you get your Fat head in someones post again to agree how the game has indeed decreased dramatically. Just to blow your own hot air around.

Hopefully this cleared some thing up for you.

[elkdom]

Actually your last post confirms the only thing I am trying to say.
Here it is in plain English.

There is nothing worse than listening to a Fat head go on and on about how good he is, and how many animals he has killed, and how great his spot is, and so on.

We ALL know how good you are, trust me we have read enough.

You are trying to make it about you against me when, All i was saying last year you were rubbing it alot of peoples noses how good you are, and this year you get your Fat head in someones post again to agree how the game has indeed decreased dramatically. Just to blow your own hot air around.

Hopefully this cleared some thing up for you.

The fact is I dont have "a spot", I hunt all species anywhere in reg 7B, you want to call names, well that means that I must annoy you, make you mad, seems you loose your temper, I find that very amusing indeed! you are pathetic your only issue is your jealous, sour grapes, maybe on days im not out shooting yoties or wolves, I will check and see if your still spouting off ?, you really should get out and locate some game , relax, enjoy life rather than try pick an argument with someone who could care less what you have to say, have a nice day!

[Creeker]

Good Day! You Fathead.

[elkdom]

Good Day! You Fathead.

I always do, thanks again!

[bridger]

At least they used all the deer.


that is the main problem they are using all the deer, all the stone sheep, and most of the moose in region 7