New youth reg's??

[Steeleco]

So all the waiting to see if they were actually going to improve the youth hunting in BC got us nowhere. All they're doing is telling our youth it's OK to break laws.


Minimum Hunting Age – Licensed eighteen year old hunters are now able to hunt unaccompanied,
and accompany hunters under the age of 18.

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't they need to be 19 to get a PAL and carry a firearm un-escorted????

[stella-artois]

You need to be 18 to get your PAL

[Barracuda]

i thought it was 18?
http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/online-en_ligne/form-assistance/indiv_forms/921_e.asp

[Tuffcity]

or they could bow hunt...:twisted::D

RC

[Steeleco]

You need to be 18 to get your PAL

See, then it's not near as dumb as I first thought :oops::oops:

[EvanG]

Its 18 for PAL bout time they made the two par.

[kloosterboer]

Its 18 for PAL bout time they made the two par.

Ya I was so happy this morning when I read the Regs. only two years to go!!!:biggrin:

[oddsix]

Best moment of the day. When i read tat two diget number of 18.:)

[dana]

Pretty sad that this is the only youth proposal that made it. About what I expected from Victoria. Talk the talk but they can't walk the walk.

[Steeleco]

Pretty sad that this is the only youth proposal that made it. About what I expected from Victoria. Talk the talk but they can't walk the walk.


Agreed, they've a LONG way to go to get the numbers they're looking for.
Lots of smoke, yet no fire!!!!

[hunter1947]

I would like to see the age of 16 to get your pal.
Then a complied buy a hunter that is 19 years or older that has his pal.

[Fisher-Dude]

Mr Penner did put one important amendment through the legislature:


The review of the Wildlife Act was completed last year, and a
number of significant changes were made to the legislation during
the 2008 spring session of the B.C. Legislature. Some of these
changes include shifting the minimum unsupervised hunting age
from 19 to 18 to ensure consistency with Canadian law and other
jurisdictions, along with a doubling of fines and penalties for those
who choose to violate the Wildlife Act and regulations.

[horshur]

Mr Penner did put one important amendment through the legislature:


The review of the Wildlife Act was completed last year, and a
number of significant changes were made to the legislation during
the 2008 spring session of the B.C. Legislature. Some of these
changes include shifting the minimum unsupervised hunting age
from 19 to 18 to ensure consistency with Canadian law and other
jurisdictions, along with a doubling of fines and penalties for those
who choose to violate the Wildlife Act and regulations.


yep..just what was needed...now even more three points shot by accident will go unreported.
Just what was needed to give us confidence in the difficult for a lay person to iterpret..different interpretations by Co's..need a law degree to really know and then it's up to the CO's descretion Wildlife act.

[Steeleco]

I think it's time they "Put up or SHUT up"

[Mr. Dean]

Damn, if that's all that changed, the mountain slope that leads too their goals got a hell of lot steeper. Time is-a-tick'n.

[Fisher-Dude]

yep..just what was needed...now even more three points shot by accident will go unreported.
Just what was needed to give us confidence in the difficult for a lay person to iterpret..different interpretations by Co's..need a law degree to really know and then it's up to the CO's descretion Wildlife act.

Maybe it will make the "shoot and check later" guys stop and think. It won't stop the guy who makes an honest mistake, and that's not the intention. You say "accidents", so I must assume you mean the "honest mistake" guys. Failure to report an honest mistake is also ticketable - so, contrary to your reasoning, perhaps the guy who makes an honest mistake WILL report now, or face double the fine for failing to report on top of the basic fine? In the end in all accidental killings, the 3 point is dead, so I'm not sure what you would hope to gain in a conservation sense (besides the meat going to the foodbank, perhaps) with a lower fine?

Doubling the fines has nothing to do with the vagueness that exists in the legislation - that's a whole other "tune-up" that is needed, and I agree we could use that. I would wager that the vast majority of those who get fined know bloody well that they are breaking the law, and perhaps doubling the fines will stop a few of them. We bitch that the courts are too soft on crime - if the guy that steals your truck and burns it for fun gets double the time in jail, that's a good thing, right? If nothing else, the increase in funds that go to the HCTF from fines to do work on the ground managing our game is a good thing, IMO.

[horshur]

Maybe it will make the "shoot and check later" guys stop and think. It won't stop the guy who makes an honest mistake, and that's not the intention. You say "accidents", so I must assume you mean the "honest mistake" guys. Failure to report an honest mistake is also ticketable - so, contrary to your reasoning, perhaps the guy who makes an honest mistake WILL report now, or face double the fine for failing to report on top of the basic fine? In the end in all accidental killings, the 3 point is dead, so I'm not sure what you would hope to gain in a conservation sense (besides the meat going to the foodbank, perhaps) with a lower fine?

Doubling the fines has nothing to do with the vagueness that exists in the legislation - that's a whole other "tune-up" that is needed, and I agree we could use that. I would wager that the vast majority of those who get fined know bloody well that they are breaking the law, and perhaps doubling the fines will stop a few of them. We bitch that the courts are too soft on crime - if the guy that steals your truck and burns it for fun gets double the time in jail, that's a good thing, right? If nothing else, the increase in funds that go to the HCTF from fines to do work on the ground managing our game is a good thing, IMO.

fisher..double the fines on vague unclear laws just discourages participation. It is contrary to what they have said they are trying to accomplish.

[Fisher-Dude]

fisher..double the fines on vague unclear laws just discourages participation. It is contrary to what they have said they are trying to accomplish.

So what's the solution? We both agree the laws could be tuned up as they are written. I still think that nailing poachers hard is the way to go. Do you really think that a newbie, wannabe honest hunter is going to say: "If I make a mistake the fine is $218 instead of $109 so there is no way I'll ever go hunting"??? That's a stretch Andy. But for game pigs like Bryan Martin and his bunch of high-end law breakers, I'd LOVE to see him pay double.

[horshur]

So what's the solution? We both agree the laws could be tuned up as they are written. I still think that nailing poachers hard is the way to go. Do you really think that a newbie, wannabe honest hunter is going to say: "If I make a mistake the fine is $218 instead of $109 so there is no way I'll ever go hunting"??? That's a stretch Andy. But for game pigs like Bryan Martin and his bunch of high-end law breakers, I'd LOVE to see him pay double.

A couple young kids fishing with a barb...that ma never new was illegal in the first place..get busted and she..a single mom..pays the bill.

remember you all are trying to recruit new hunters...how bout a dad that lets his girl shoot a grouse with a underweight bow???

Or the new duck hunter that has trouble identifying ...

the current gun laws and them nice renewal notices that make grandma feel like a criminal about to be raided by police any second for failing to pay...yeh they have done nothin to discourage.

we don't need stiffer fines we need culture that values the resource...we are losing that everyday.

Poachers you will always have with you...it's the little stumbling blocks one after the other that are slowly eliminating participants.

[Fisher-Dude]

The kids with a barb are 99% gonna get a warning, not a fine. That's why there is some discretion. A guide outfitter, like Bryan Martin, shooting 3 goats on a 2 goat allocation, and falsifying his reports, will get a 2x fine. Grannie's PAL renewal is dealt with federally and is out of the province's hands, unfortunately, so that's why it's so stupid.

What we need Andy, and on this you and I will agree, is GOS that encourages mentors to come out of hunting retirement, and take their kids/nephews/grandkids out to teach them to value the resource, restoring our lost culture.

[threedhunter]

lobby your school boards , they took core out of the class room now our kids only see/hear the anti/vegan side of the equation. get core put back in the system, you'll see more hunters just thruogh education at a younger level.most kids today only get 1/2 the info they need to make a sound decision and we can't understand thier logicwhen we see the results of that same decision.we adults that are out of the school system tend to think that the system gives all info to every one. not so . due to agendas by certain inertest groups, only 1/2 of what was available when we went to school is in the curiculum.the rest is left up to the parents to fill in. if we fail to spark interest in what we do, we blame vidoe games when we should really blame complacency with our education system, and our own lack of participation in what our kids are learning.jm2cw.:sad:

[horshur]

The kids with a barb are 99% gonna get a warning, not a fine. That's why there is some discretion. A guide outfitter, like Bryan Martin, shooting 3 goats on a 2 goat allocation, and falsifying his reports, will get a 2x fine. Grannie's PAL renewal is dealt with federally and is out of the province's hands, unfortunately, so that's why it's so stupid.

What we need Andy, and on this you and I will agree, is GOS that encourages mentors to come out of hunting retirement, and take their kids/nephews/grandkids out to teach them to value the resource, restoring our lost culture.

Yes..and if they do not pony up...what then!!!

[GoatGuy]

Better than a swift kick in the teeth on a cold day but not what I was hoping for.

Can't wait to get this election out of the way.

[1899]

I think an issue regarding the lack of hunters also has to do with the changing demographics of Canada.


Yes..and if they do not pony up...what then!!!
There are ways courts enforce judgements.

[LOC]

Better than a swift kick in the teeth on a cold day but not what I was hoping for.

Can't wait to get this election out of the way.

But who is there to vote for? Not the NDP, we don't have another real option... :?

[Fisher-Dude]

But who is there to vote for? Not the NDP, we don't have another real option... :?

I think he's talking federally. If he's talking provincially, I'll kick him in the shins (that's as high as I can kick on a 7 foot tall orangutang).

[Gateholio]

I think he means the limited progress made just prior to elections....

Anyway, I've never, ever heard of someone saying "I want to get into hunting/fishing/driving but I am not going to now, since they doubled the fines, and if I screw up, I will have to pay more"

Nobody.

[dana]

I think Goat needs to educate a few more to 'why' hunter numbers have dropped. If I remember correctly the 'complicated hunting regs' that have imposed way too many restrictive rules on hunters is tops as why many gave up hunting. Doubling the fines sounds fine and dandy, but think through the logic. There are some game wardens that really love to push the gray areas, and if they have a hunter that is inscure and doesn't stand up for himself, they fine him with those little fines and they look like heros protecting the resource. Hmmm, did you know that you need to cut the whole triangle on your licence? If you leave a little piece of paper behind then you've improperly canceled your tag and you are therefore a criminal? Sure, in a court of law, the judge would easily throw it out, but how many insecure hunters have the confidence to tell the CO to screw off??? These things are happening. There are soooo many grey areas in the regs that hunters are just plain ass afraid to hunt. Doubling the fines will indeed drive more away. But that seems to be the government's goal. Talk the talk like you really care, and then sit on your hands and do nothing. That is exactly what we've got going on here.

[GoatGuy]

I think Goat needs to educate a few more to 'why' hunter numbers have dropped. If I remember correctly the 'complicated hunting regs' that have imposed way too many restrictive rules on hunters is tops as why many gave up hunting. Doubling the fines sounds fine and dandy, but think through the logic. There are some game wardens that really love to push the gray areas, and if they have a hunter that is inscure and doesn't stand up for himself, they fine him with those little fines and they look like heros protecting the resource. Hmmm, did you know that you need to cut the whole triangle on your licence? If you leave a little piece of paper behind then you've improperly canceled your tag and you are therefore a criminal? Sure, in a court of law, the judge would easily throw it out, but how many insecure hunters have the confidence to tell the CO to screw off??? These things are happening. There are soooo many grey areas in the regs that hunters are just plain ass afraid to hunt. Doubling the fines will indeed drive more away. But that seems to be the government's goal. Talk the talk like you really care, and then sit on your hands and do nothing. That is exactly what we've got going on here.

The fines we're talking about really don't deter poachers.

This is another social issue that looks good from a distance but really it's more like gun control than anything else.

[GoatGuy]

lobby your school boards , they took core out of the class room now our kids only see/hear the anti/vegan side of the equation. get core put back in the system, you'll see more hunters just thruogh education at a younger level.most kids today only get 1/2 the info they need to make a sound decision and we can't understand thier logicwhen we see the results of that same decision.we adults that are out of the school system tend to think that the system gives all info to every one. not so . due to agendas by certain inertest groups, only 1/2 of what was available when we went to school is in the curiculum.the rest is left up to the parents to fill in. if we fail to spark interest in what we do, we blame vidoe games when we should really blame complacency with our education system, and our own lack of participation in what our kids are learning.jm2cw.:sad:

Great idea.

Got a couple teachers coming on board as soon as we can get them certified. Exciting stuff.

[GoatGuy]

I think he means the limited progress made just prior to elections....




That's it.

Between a provincial election and the olympics politicians are looking to cause as little controversy as possible. Productivity is slowing to a crawl. Now it's all about the flash.

Anybody seen the commercials for bc parks?

[horshur]

The fines we're talking about really don't deter poachers.

This is another social issue that looks good from a distance but really it's more like gun control than anything else.

yes!!!!!!!!!!

[dana]

Notice the new adds promoting the new gas tax? Here I thought the fires in the Okanagan were a cause of piss poor management and letting over 100 years of fuel to accumilate, never knew that forest fires are a result of Global Warming.:roll:

[horshur]

Notice the new adds promoting the new gas tax? Here I thought the fires in the Okanagan were a cause of piss poor management and letting over 100 years of fuel to accumilate, never knew that forest fires are a result of Global Warming.:roll:

thats science for ya!!!

[Elkhound]

I was really hoping for some better options for youth.