Any News if there is going to be a open moose season in &B

[woodland2014]

Just curious has anyone heard any leaks if there is going to be a open moose season in the peace region 7B this year or all LEH

[Ferenc]

It’s a long shot , they say the hunting regs will be out before the LEH ... one will have to look and see , for region 7b one will know soon enough if any open season is going to happen,if you see “ please refer to the LEH regs which could happen ( hoping not ) you’ll then know forsure it’s LEH

[HappyJack]

Funny LEH~~it's going to be a free for all, the locals are not going to stand for FNs and guided hunters getting their moose while they play a lottery for a tag. Mark my words.

[BCHunterTV]

100% right!



Funny LEH~~it's going to be a free for all, the locals are not going to stand for FNs and guided hunters getting their moose while they play a lottery for a tag. Mark my words.

[Bullreaper]

Exactly. Which will means antler configuration, number of points, sex, license and tags, etc. isn’t gonna matter. All the same once it hits the freezer.

[canishunter22-250]

Funny LEH~~it's going to be a free for all, the locals are not going to stand for FNs and guided hunters getting their moose while they play a lottery for a tag. Mark my words.

As a local, I would agree that this is a prevailing attitude. I find it hard to condemn anyone for it too. Moose meat is a way of life up here, and with healthy numbers of moose it's going to be hard for folks to stomach being cut out of the pie.

[Walking Buffalo]

As a local, I would agree that this is a prevailing attitude. I find it hard to condemn anyone for it too. Moose meat is a way of life up here, and with healthy numbers of moose it's going to be hard for folks to stomach being cut out of the pie.

This is good to hear.

The People will lose everything if they keep on letting the government take it away.

[HarryToolips]

This is good to hear.

The People will lose everything if they keep on letting the government take it away.

I also agree....

[BRvalley]

I know I will have an unpopular opinion for some, but I am a former 7b local, lived in chetwynd....in addition to the backroom NDP dealings, I do think the predominant local attitude is partly coming back back to bite everybody....locals hate anybody non local coming to hunt up there, I've seen and heard many many many comments/conversations complaining about allegedly lower moose numbers, which to my understanding of actual biologist data contradicts the estimated numbers

so now that all residents are getting shafted, locals are crying foul and suddenly claiming numbers are healthy? catch 22, complain long enough, complain hard enough and voila, perhaps you might be part of the problem and providing fuel to the FN/NDP decision making....local opinion is validating what the keepers of the land are saying!!

from my experiences, the early season GOS any bull clears out easy access road corridors, and that's what everybody complains about, so many many many times I have heard "back in the day you could drive around with a flat of beer and you and two buddies would each have a moose before you ran out of beer"...that is a direct quote from the loudest complainer I worked with, I heard it every august when gos any bull opens LOL...half the mine said the same crap

but the moose numbers have been the best I've been privileged enough to hunt in BC, patterns change, honey holes shift...but I've never gone hunting without seeing moose, legal points or not is a different question


with that said, how many CO's per square km range in 7b? good luck catching all the unauthorized harvesting which is about to occur

[TheObserver]

Funny LEH~~it's going to be a free for all, the locals are not going to stand for FNs and guided hunters getting their moose while they play a lottery for a tag. Mark my words.

100% especially those with young ones and wife to feed

[Bugle M In]

24 hour GOS only:shock::shock:

[moosinaround]

Funny LEH~~it's going to be a free for all, the locals are not going to stand for FNs and guided hunters getting their moose while they play a lottery for a tag. Mark my words.
Well, if folks are gonna do that, they should refrain from posting it on a public forum?!! Just sayin!

[canishunter22-250]

I know I will have an unpopular opinion for some, but I am a former 7b local, lived in chetwynd....in addition to the backroom NDP dealings, I do think the predominant local attitude is partly coming back back to bite everybody....locals hate anybody non local coming to hunt up there, I've seen and heard many many many comments/conversations complaining about allegedly lower moose numbers, which to my understanding of actual biologist data contradicts the estimated numbers

so now that all residents are getting shafted, locals are crying foul and suddenly claiming numbers are healthy? catch 22, complain long enough, complain hard enough and voila, perhaps you might be part of the problem and providing fuel to the FN/NDP decision making....local opinion is validating what the keepers of the land are saying!!

from my experiences, the early season GOS any bull clears out easy access road corridors, and that's what everybody complains about, so many many many times I have heard "back in the day you could drive around with a flat of beer and you and two buddies would each have a moose before you ran out of beer"...that is a direct quote from the loudest complainer I worked with, I heard it every august when gos any bull opens LOL...half the mine said the same crap

but the moose numbers have been the best I've been privileged enough to hunt in BC, patterns change, honey holes shift...but I've never gone hunting without seeing moose, legal points or not is a different question


with that said, how many CO's per square km range in 7b? good luck catching all the unauthorized harvesting which is about to occur

Is the moose population as high as the good old days when every outfitter had a 1080-laced bait pile going all winter and glyphosate wasn't sprayed on all the moose food? No

Is it low enough to warrant what's going on with the season amendments? No.

I spend a hell of a lot of time in the bush on my trap line all winter when the moose are most conspicuous. From what I can see the numbers are definitely on the upswing again.

I do agree that there is quite a bit of anti-local sentiment in this area. I've always opposed that sentiment and argued that "hunting trips are a fantastic way to explore this great province". Even though it can get frustrating at times when we are bombarded with hunters up here, I think it's overall a positive thing when everyone is allowed to come try their luck and enjoy time hunting with friends and family. I will say it is going to ramp up the frustration level if it goes to LEH though, as us local people will more often than not have to take a back seat to others coming in to hunt in our back yards. I've talked to lots of friends who are also landowners and the general opinion is that people who currently to give permission to hunt moose will likely not be so generous to non-locals if they are having to deal with long waits to shoot a moose on their own turf. Honestly, I think the idea of going LEH isn't what's angering most people here, it's the arbitrary 50% reduction in harvest that is.

[HappyJack]

I think the idea of going LEH isn't what's angering most people

Just wait till they apply for an LEH and most of them don't get a moose tag, for years and years and years.

[canishunter22-250]

I think the idea of going LEH isn't what's angering most people

Just wait till they apply for an LEH and most of them don't get a moose tag, for years and years and years.



Well at least the wait would be cut in half if the LEH was administered properly, not 'harvestable surplus X 0.5'

I agree it will be upsetting. I live in the bush half an hour northeast of FSJ. Prime moose habitat. I live a very 'live off the land' lifestyle to which hunting and trapping are central. All year there are moose browsing in my yard morning and night but I know that my area is going to be one hell of a longshot to get drawn in. So when I have an empty freezer and someone comes banging on my door and says "Hi, I'm Rick from Victoria, can I shoot the little bull moose in your back yard?" it's going to be tough to be gracious.

[bullish]

If they are so worried about the moose the biologists should have figured it by now that the rapidly growing grizzly population accounts for a big part of any so called decline. I've hunted the same area for 22 years in 7B and never saw a grizzly until the last 7 years. On last years hunt I saw 7. During that hunt I saw 9 cow moose and only one with a calf. Again a result of government BS laws.

[Bugle M In]

Just more ministry cluster f**k.
Nothing has changed.
And I don’t expect it to do so but only expect it to get worse.
What of who has changed in government of within the ministry to make anyone
think it is getting better.

Gas prices alone have just created a whole new LEH anyways.
Lots of folks cancelling trips already from whom I talk with

[j270wsm]

We all know that the government isn’t going to make the needed changes. I hate to say this but, nothing is going to get any better, until we start doing what needs to needs to be done. It’s a moral/ethical line that I haven’t crossed yet but it’s getting harder and harder to watch the game populations decline.

[Bigdoggdon]

Improving habitat costs money

Reducing Industries effect on wildlife cost money

Predator reduction programs costs money

Taking away resident hunters right to hunt, free

Managing wildlife to zero, again free.

Which of these will the gov't go with.

[pro 111]

I am no expert on moose but it seams to me that the Tri Palm rule is a very affective way to keep moose populations Stable. Maybe just leave it open for locals the same and make it LEH for the outa region hunters?
Even if tou go with a group of four and get one moose. You Still had a fun trip and Killed less moose.. Some kind of compromise to maintain sustainability.

[HappyJack]

I am no expert on moose but it seams to me that the Tri Palm rule is a very affective way to keep moose populations Stable. Maybe just leave it open for locals the same and make it LEH for the outa region hunters?
Even if tou go with a group of four and get one moose. You Still had a fun trip and Killed less moose.. Some kind of compromise to maintain sustainability.

Sustainability of the moose population has never been the issue in 7b. It's better for the economy if ALL the tags are allocated to outfitters or to people from outside the area, they bring far more $$ in than locals that just shoot a moose off the back deck. The locals could still hunt deer and bears.

[jamfarm]

I am no expert on moose but it seams to me that the Tri Palm rule is a very affective way to keep moose populations Stable. Maybe just leave it open for locals the same and make it LEH for the outa region hunters?
Even if tou go with a group of four and get one moose. You Still had a fun trip and Killed less moose.. Some kind of compromise to maintain sustainability.

You should have stopped after your first sentence.

I agree that the SOFT-10 bull harvest strategy is an effective way to manage moose hunting. The province also shortened the any bull season during August which should also reduce harvest. However this idea of LEH for out of region hunters is ridiculous and divisive, you speak of compromise but what are you willing to give up? Wildlife in BC is for all British Columbians whether you live in downtown Vancouver or in the furthest corner of the province.

[high horse Hal]

7B moose changes has nothing to do with moose population numbers
sheesh


If they are so worried about the moose the biologists should have figured it by now that the rapidly growing grizzly population accounts for a big part of any so called decline. I've hunted the same area for 22 years in 7B and never saw a grizzly until the last 7 years. On last years hunt I saw 7. During that hunt I saw 9 cow moose and only one with a calf. Again a result of government BS laws.


We all know that the government isn’t going to make the needed changes. I hate to say this but, nothing is going to get any better, until we start doing what needs to needs to be done. It’s a moral/ethical line that I haven’t crossed yet but it’s getting harder and harder to watch the game populations decline.


Improving habitat costs money

Reducing Industries effect on wildlife cost money

Predator reduction programs costs money

Taking away resident hunters right to hunt, free

Managing wildlife to zero, again free.

Which of these will the gov't go with.


I am no expert on moose but it seams to me that the Tri Palm rule is a very affective way to keep moose populations Stable. Maybe just leave it open for locals the same and make it LEH for the outa region hunters?
Even if tou go with a group of four and get one moose. You Still had a fun trip and Killed less moose.. Some kind of compromise to maintain sustainability.

[pro 111]

You should have stopped after your first sentence.

I agree that the SOFT-10 bull harvest strategy is an effective way to manage moose hunting. The province also shortened the any bull season during August which should also reduce harvest. However this idea of LEH for out of region hunters is ridiculous and divisive, you speak of compromise but what are you willing to give up? Wildlife in BC is for all British Columbians whether you live in downtown Vancouver or in the furthest corner of the province.
I live in region 6 so i guess i might be giving up my eligibility to buy a moose tag in region 7b. it could be very frustrating for someone who has lived in say Fort Nelson for 35 years to not be able to harvest a moose . And have the likes of me show up on the scene with an leh tag.
but thats not the perfect solution. just an idea.

[Squamch]

Well at least the wait would be cut in half if the LEH was administered properly, not 'harvestable surplus X 0.5'

I agree it will be upsetting. I live in the bush half an hour northeast of FSJ. Prime moose habitat. I live a very 'live off the land' lifestyle to which hunting and trapping are central. All year there are moose browsing in my yard morning and night but I know that my area is going to be one hell of a longshot to get drawn in. So when I have an empty freezer and someone comes banging on my door and says "Hi, I'm Rick from Victoria, can I shoot the little bull moose in your back yard?" it's going to be tough to be gracious.


What if I showed up with some halibut as a symbol of my gratitude?:wink:

[canishunter22-250]

I live in region 6 so i guess i might be giving up my eligibility to buy a moose tag in region 7b. it could be very frustrating for someone who has lived in say Fort Nelson for 35 years to not be able to harvest a moose . And have the likes of me show up on the scene with an leh tag.
but thats not the perfect solution. just an idea.

I've said the same thing about me going further north. I live north of FSJ but I love going to Atlin for a moose hunt every couple years. With the open season up there I have no issues with it, but I'd feel pretty shitty if the poor schmucks who lived in Atlin couldn't get drawn but then I drop in from 1200 km away and shoot the moose out from under them with my LEH tag. I get that "we're all residents of BC.." but at the same time, I fully believe that the guy who scratches out a life in Atlin has more right to his local moose than I do as essentially a tourist to his back yard.

[canishunter22-250]

What if I showed up with some halibut as a symbol of my gratitude?:wink:


It would be little consolation. How would you feel if you went to buy your tidal fishing license this year and they told you "Sorry, we all have to take turns and this year your license was given away to a guy who lives 1200km away in the Peace country who may or may not get around to making the trip down"

[hawk-i]

Well, if folks are gonna do that, they should refrain from posting it on a public forum?!! Just sayin!

NOPE, they should post it boldly along with openly organizing group participation of the same.

They should inform the CO's of their intent, as well as ALL Media outlets to cover it.

Enough BS already, the resources belong to the people and that means ALL people equally.

Hiding in the closet and cowering down will get you more of the same!

Just my humble opinion though :)

[Fosey]

This is the LEH system, we all live in areas where our hunter brothers from
other parts of the province get the opportunity to hunt animals near our home a
nd we can’t. Don’t start fighting amongst ourselves. Concentrate on the
opposition, we have lots of it.

[Ron.C]

This is the LEH system, we all live in areas where our hunter brothers from
other parts of the province get the opportunity to hunt animals near our home a
nd we can’t. Don’t start fighting amongst ourselves. Concentrate on the
opposition, we have lots of it.


Good post Fosey!!!

[Fella]

Good post Fosey!!!
Yeah this whole hunters fighting each other thing is so dumb. If hunters spent half the energy on fighting the governments stupid decisions that they do sniping at each other we’d not be in the same situation we are in now. It’s pathetic how few hunters show up when it counts in BC

[IronNoggin]

... It’s pathetic how few hunters show up when it counts in BC

The government counts on that, and uses it against us all the time.
Unfortunately there does not appear to be any easy way to make most do much beyond pissing and moaning on a forum or two...

Sadly,
Nog

[Fella]

It’s because people are concerned more with how they can get a piece of the Remaining pie. Look at the comments in this thread, take take take.

[walks with deer]

We need to put more animals on the land period. Not fight for whats left.

[canishunter22-250]

This is the LEH system, we all live in areas where our hunter brothers from
other parts of the province get the opportunity to hunt animals near our home a
nd we can’t. Don’t start fighting amongst ourselves. Concentrate on the
opposition, we have lots of it.

Yup, you're not wrong. I am normally the guy saying what you're saying but somehow I've found myself on the other side of this argument. Hard when it comes to your front door I guess.

[Rackmastr]

We need to put more animals on the land period. Not fight for whats left.

The reality is even with more animals on the ground we would still be dealing with a lot of the political actions that take place around them. It's a great message, however I think regardless of animal numbers, consumptive use, allocation, first nations politics, and government emotional mgmt will always exist.

[Bigdoggdon]

Yeah this whole hunters fighting each other thing is so dumb. If hunters spent half the energy on fighting the governments stupid decisions that they do sniping at each other we’d not be in the same situation we are in now. It’s pathetic how few hunters show up when it counts in BC

There's a reason most hunters don't show up for mass protests. Most of us have jobs, most of us have families to support, and thus most of us just don't have the time. The Government isn't going to spend a dime on wildlife enhancement. Even if hunters put up our own money, through a non-profit organization to enhance wildlife the province wouldn't let us do it. Do you think the province would allow a mass predator control cull by a non-profit sponsored by hunters? Do you think the province would allow a non-profit sponsored by hunters to close access to certain areas to all ATV's or Snowmobiles at certain times of the year to enhance wildlife? Do you think the province would allow aerial spraying for ticks by a non-profit sponsored by hunters? With all the hand-tying bureaucracy it's easy to see why many hunters feel helpless and hopeless to change anything. The only thing we have left is to fight amongst each other for the scraps that are left.

[Bugle M In]

Well, if we want to start splitting up Leh winners by region they live in, it will only be a matter of time they they do us all in.
you all have heard of the saying;
Divide and Comquer!!???

it’s not just some bullshit made up saying.
it works if you let it happen.

[IronNoggin]

There's a reason most hunters don't show up for mass protests. Most of us have jobs, most of us have families to support, and thus most of us just don't have the time.

With all the hand-tying bureaucracy it's easy to see why many hunters feel helpless and hopeless to change anything. The only thing we have left is to fight amongst each other for the scraps that are left.

If you cannot make the time, the issues are not important enough to you to do so. Period.

I understand the frustration.
Been pounding on that door for decades.
I simply do not, and will not ever buy into your final statement.

Nog

[Fella]

If you cannot make the time, the issues are not important enough to you to do so. Period.

I understand the frustration.
Been pounding on that door for decades.
I simply do not, and will not ever buy into your final statement.

Nog
I’m not talking about mass protests. I’m talking about people meeting with their MLA or writing a letter or even just filling out the countless pre-filled letters that the BCWF, WSSBC and HOWL have made available.

[Rob Chipman]

If you cannot make the time, the issues are not important enough to you to do so. Period.

I understand the frustration.
Been pounding on that door for decades.
I simply do not, and will not ever buy into your final statement.

Nog

Same dynamic as other dispute threads we've had on this forum, right? Resident hunters and anglers aren't yet completely aligned on goals, tactics or strategy or the prospect for success.

I think, though, that we're slowly moving to a position where resident hunters and anglers agree on the 5-10 challenges that we really need to address, and we're even more slowly getting to a position where we agree on how best to address those challenges. Slow movement in the right direction is better than no movement in the right direction at all.

In no particular order here's the non-exhaustive list of challenges/tasks:

1) restore fish, wildlife and habitat
2) manage predators
3) maintain access
4) avoid the divide and conquer game
5) figure out the way to address the First Nations challenge/change in societal order/G2G approach so that we gain strength from it
6) address the tactic of using fish, wildlife and habitat as a political tool & make those decisions based on apolitical science
7) convert apathetic hunters and anglers into effective advocates for what we do
8) build support for what we do among non-hunting and non-angling tax-paying voters
9) figure out what combo of strategy and tactics for change come at relatively low cost of resident hunters and anglers (who do have other demands on their time and resources) but which are high cost for our opponents, especially those in government who make the decisions.



I'm sure we can add some more to that list and get the items I've listed more focused provided we argue enough about it and take notes :-)

[IronNoggin]

I'm sure we can add some more to that list and get the items I've listed more focused provided we argue enough about it and take notes :-)

Your list is fine.
There are other items that could be added as always.

Not the point.
Some of us have been banging our heads against the wall of attempting to get hunters and anglers involved for decades.
Four of those in my case.
Forgive me and them as we slowly become jaded by the lack of interest...

Sadly,
Nog

[Rob Chipman]

Your list is fine.
There are other items that could be added as always.

Not the point.
Some of us have been banging our heads against the wall of attempting to get hunters and anglers involved for decades.
Four of those in my case.
Forgive me and them as we slowly become jaded by the lack of interest...

Sadly,
Nog


I understand that people get frustrated, and I understand that people have been attempting to get resident hunters and anglers to get involved for decades. It's safe to assume that eventually burn out will come into play. Besides, none of us live forever.

What's the solution to burn out and the death of influential individuals? Traditionally it's to deepen the bench and let burned out people take a break, so that should probably be added to the list. I think we can agree that there are two strains of thought on this topic. One is to make the circle ever smaller and the other is to make it ever bigger.

[IronNoggin]

... I think we can agree that there are two strains of thought on this topic. One is to make the circle ever smaller and the other is to make it ever bigger.

Mine is, and has forever been to make our circle (influence) as wide as possible.
Apparently most appear to be content to whine on various forums rather than actually engage.

There comes a time when year after year after year of realizing just how apathetic a bunch we are overall starts to make one jaded.
I am getting dangerously close...

Not quite yet though as a good Buddy reminded me yesterday, there are still a few irons in the fire that need tending...

Nog

[huntingfamily]

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