When are BC LEH and Regulations published?

[1S1K]

Good morning all,

Relatively new to BC....curious as to when the updated 2022-2024 Regs and LEH Synopsis are typically published? For example, is every 2 year update published on a reliable date like May 1 or June 1, or is it anybody's guess?

[RyoTHC]

New regulations should come out at the end of the spring bear hunt I believe.

LEH feels like it’s relatively late this year but probably because they are buying votes by giving all the moose tags away to a special group of very vocal folks.

[wideopenthrottle]

April 21 last year IIRC for LEH..

I get all my LEH info from this site

https://www.all-about-moose.com/limited-entry-hunting.html

[Rob Chipman]

As far as I know, and correct me anyone if I'm wrong, the BC government has not made the official announcement about the new rules for 7B.

If I'm right abut that (pretty sure I am) the province can't release 2022-23 LEH rules because there's a bunch of brand new LEH hunts *proposed* but not yet officially decided.

The province has been soliciting, or at least entertaining, input from disgruntled voters who oppose the proposal.

If the province announces that the proposal is officially the way that we're going and the new LEH rules hit the web 5 minutes later it's going to look like the province wasn't really taking the input seriously at all. Not a good look.

I'd bet we're mid-May at the earliest before we see the new LEH regs. That's just my personal opinion, and I could be completely wrong. It's happened before, but maybe we should start a pool. I'll say we'll see them May 16.

[HarryToolips]

My thoughts exactly Rob....

[wideopenthrottle]

This is the very informative statement they make on the govt site.."The 2022/23 LEH synopsis will be available on or before the opening date for 2022 Fall LEH applications"

[HappyJack]

New regulations should come out at the end of the spring bear hunt I believe.

LEH feels like it’s relatively late this year but probably because they are buying votes by giving all the moose tags away to a special group of very vocal folks.

Resident hunters all go on LEH, FNs don't need a tag, so the only one being given tags is the outfitters??

[Rob Chipman]

Resident hunters all go on LEH, FNs don't need a tag, so the only one being given tags is the outfitters??


My understanding is that it isn't that simple (remembering that this is all still at "proposal" stage, despite my belief that it will come to pass). For moose, resident hunters would go on LEH with a target harvest number that is reduced 50% from the current target. First Nations don't need tags on their traditional territory and (if I'm reading recent amendments to Wildlife Act correctly) they should be able to host/shelter Indigenous people from outside their territory of they choose, and outfitters would get their quota, like before, but reduced by (I'm pretty sure) 50%, just like resident hunters.

So, both resident hunters and guide-outfitters get their allowable harvest reduced 50%. GOs are never on LEH (as far as I know) even when RHs are, so that's not a huge change (it's the 50% reduction that's a huge change). I happen to know w guide who doesn't really care - they hunt sheep almost exclusively so a cut on moose harvest doesn't bug them much. I can imagine there is another GO who depends much more on moose than the guy I know, and I can imagine a scenario where he gets his cut and it essentially puts him out of business (speculation on my part - I don't have the receipts on that aspect).

[HappyJack]

Losing grizzly bear and now half of the moose allocation has to hurt their bottom line. Not to mention all the businesses that benefited by all the hunters going up there to hunt. Probably will amount to $millions in lost revenue. Pretty bad kick in the teeth if you ask me.

[Rob Chipman]

^^^^

Can't disagree. Both the G-bear hunt and this current proposal seem poorly thought out.

[Huevos]

I’d say one of the things we have going for us is the multiple First Nation owned territories that are in 7B.
A reduction in moose quota affects them as well, so there will be push back from at least some bands. Was talking to an outfitter and he said they were looking at something ridiculous as far as quota for them this year until they got it figured. Was suggested 2 tags for the outfitters for this year. What I don’t understand is why they just don’t get rid of the any bull season to start if they want to reduce harvest? And does a harvest reduction of mature, ten point, triple eye guard moose even impact the reproduction rates of a moose population? I mean it’s not like they are out there having babies, or gathering food and protecting their offspring….

[HappyJack]

I’d say one of the things we have going for us is the multiple First Nation owned territories that are in 7B.
A reduction in moose quota affects them as well, so there will be push back from at least some bands. Was talking to an outfitter and he said they were looking at something ridiculous as far as quota for them this year until they got it figured. Was suggested 2 tags for the outfitters for this year. What I don’t understand is why they just don’t get rid of the any bull season to start if they want to reduce harvest? And does a harvest reduction of mature, ten point, triple eye guard moose even impact the reproduction rates of a moose population? I mean it’s not like they are out there having babies, or gathering food and protecting their offspring….

What makes you think the bands follow a quota? The issue isn't reducing the harvest when only 1200 moose are taken in all of 7B per season.

[canishunter22-250]

What makes you think the bands follow a quota? The issue isn't reducing the harvest when only 1200 moose are taken in all of 7B per season.

He's referring to outfitter quotas for the outfits they own. Doubt many foreign clients are going to be happy doing things illegally after paying big bucks so I'm gonna say they'll be following the quotas. Harvest reports etc.

[Fella]

I’d say one of the things we have going for us is the multiple First Nation owned territories that are in 7B.
A reduction in moose quota affects them as well, so there will be push back from at least some bands. Was talking to an outfitter and he said they were looking at something ridiculous as far as quota for them this year until they got it figured. Was suggested 2 tags for the outfitters for this year. What I don’t understand is why they just don’t get rid of the any bull season to start if they want to reduce harvest? And does a harvest reduction of mature, ten point, triple eye guard moose even impact the reproduction rates of a moose population? I mean it’s not like they are out there having babies, or gathering food and protecting their offspring….
Not about reducing harvest, it’s about reducing how many hunters are up there

[ElectricDyck]

My understanding is that it isn't that simple (remembering that this is all still at "proposal" stage, despite my belief that it will come to pass). For moose, resident hunters would go on LEH with a target harvest number that is reduced 50% from the current target. First Nations don't need tags on their traditional territory and (if I'm reading recent amendments to Wildlife Act correctly) they should be able to host/shelter Indigenous people from outside their territory of they choose, and outfitters would get their quota, like before, but reduced by (I'm pretty sure) 50%, just like resident hunters.

So, both resident hunters and guide-outfitters get their allowable harvest reduced 50%. GOs are never on LEH (as far as I know) even when RHs are, so that's not a huge change (it's the 50% reduction that's a huge change). I happen to know w guide who doesn't really care - they hunt sheep almost exclusively so a cut on moose harvest doesn't bug them much. I can imagine there is another GO who depends much more on moose than the guy I know, and I can imagine a scenario where he gets his cut and it essentially puts him out of business (speculation on my part - I don't have the receipts on that aspect).

Supply and demand dictates, less outfitter moose tags equals higher prices for moose hunts with less residents around, at least once the new regulations are balanced between 6 and 7B...So less work same money..

[canishunter22-250]

Not sure if I agree it'll work like that. There are alternative provinces/territories/states for foreign hunters to choose instead. So it's not like the outfitters can just jack their prices way up to make up for lost tags. They'll just price themselves out of the market.

[ElectricDyck]

I'm not sure either, more of a feeling on how it will play out, I guess we'll see...hunting northern bc is pretty spectacular,we have stone sheep and their money goes further than in alaska..

[B-rad]

LEH rabbit and grouse for me this year,,,good luck to everyone this year on their draws

[warnniklz]

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[canishunter22-250]

Tough times for the BC govt apparently. Poor *******s can't even afford spell-check.

[HarryToolips]

I’d say one of the things we have going for us is the multiple First Nation owned territories that are in 7B.
A reduction in moose quota affects them as well, so there will be push back from at least some bands. Was talking to an outfitter and he said they were looking at something ridiculous as far as quota for them this year until they got it figured. Was suggested 2 tags for the outfitters for this year. What I don’t understand is why they just don’t get rid of the any bull season to start if they want to reduce harvest? And does a harvest reduction of mature, ten point, triple eye guard moose even impact the reproduction rates of a moose population? I mean it’s not like they are out there having babies, or gathering food and protecting their offspring….

The ministry objective is a minimum ratio of 30 bulls to every 100 cows, from what I've read, if the ratio drops below that #, then there could be Harvest sustainability issues..the more mature bulls like the 10 pts and tri palms do the majority of the breeding.. but as others have stated, resident hunting is way down the list of sustainability issues...

[HappyJack]

He's referring to outfitter quotas for the outfits they own. Doubt many foreign clients are going to be happy doing things illegally after paying big bucks so I'm gonna say they'll be following the quotas. Harvest reports etc.

Thanks for the correction, I see that now.

[wideopenthrottle]

hahaha....you made me look....heheheh....
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