Now it's the goats turn....

[huntcoop]

https://www.cheknews.ca/mountain-goat-population-declining-in-british-columbia-study-975338/


Mountain goat population declining in British Columbia: study

VANCOUVER — British Columbia’s central coast is losing an animal of significant cultural value to the region’s Indigenous people as fewer mountain goats are seen in its craggy peaks, says a new study.
The study published Tuesday in the open-access peer-reviewed journal Conservation Science and Practice also highlighted the importance of listening to Indigenous Peoples because they first noticed a decline in the population years ago.
Douglas Neasloss, chief councillor of the First Nation, which participated in the study, said he’s been watching the decline for more than 20 years in its territory.
“Mountain goats are really important,” Neasloss said in an interview.
“We use the mountain goat in our songs, our dances, in our stories. Certainly a big part of our food, a big part of our diet. It was often used for trade amongst nations in the central coast.”
Tyler Jessen, the lead author of the study, said researchers from the University of Victoria and the Raincoast Conservation Foundation used a combination of data compiled by the First Nation since the 1980s along with other methods to track the mountain goat population.
An aerial survey of about 500 square kilometres of Kitasoo Xai’xais Nation territory was undertaken in the summers of 2019 and 2020 to understand population density, he said.
“There’s not many goats that are in that coastal area, especially when you compare it to the interior populations like the Rocky Mountains,” said Jessen, a PhD student at the University of Victoria and a scholar with the Raincoast Conservation Foundation.

Researchers also looked at British Columbia hunting records dating back to 1980, he said. The records showed hunters are less successful at hunting mountain goats now or that it takes them longer to find one.
“People would typically see them from the water on a boat while fishing or while working,” he said. “You could just look up and you could see mountain goats on the cliffs in these coastal fiord systems. But not anymore.”
A lack of baseline information means researchers weren’t able to quantify the change in population, Jessen said.
British Columbia has about 50 per cent of the world’s mountain goats but numbers on the animals are hard to come by because there’s limited research and they’re difficult to study in the remote areas they inhabit, he added.
“One of the things that we are trying to highlight is how Indigenous knowledge and Indigenous Peoples can act as sentinels of this change,” he said.
“We’re not monitoring a lot, but there’s still people who are living there who can point to these changes.”
The study said early warnings from Indigenous Peoples in one area can potentially uncover what’s happening on a larger scale.
“In this case, early concerns by the Kitasoo Xai’xais First Nation triggered investigations that revealed evidence of potential decline in goats well beyond Kitasoo Xai’xais First Nation territory,” said the study.

The causes for the decline, Jessen said, include global warming, hunting and attacks by predators. Mountain goats reproduce slowly and are sensitive to any human disturbance, he said.
Neasloss said the Kitasoo Xai’xais First Nation has stopped hunting mountain goats to help preserve the population.
“I’m almost 40 now,” he said.
“I used to be a tour guide. I used to walk out in the territory every day for seven months of the year and I used to see lots of mountain goats. I haven’t seen one in years. What a sharp turn in the last 20 years. So, if we lose the mountain goat, that will just be devastating both culturally and ecologically.”

This report by The Canadian Press was first published March 9, 2022.
Hina Alam, The Canadian Press

[dakoda62]

A study, i call Bullsh$t, all political as usual.

[cameron0518]

Goat hunters can kiss their hunts goodbye. Get at it before it is too late. We all will be hunting dodo birds soon.

[Bugle M In]

Think under the recent Gbear thread I told many that this would happen or will be soon.
The best part is, they still mention hunting.
Although, again, many areas are under LEH anyways and have been for years, yet still declines.
Wait how it works out for the RMBH sheep.
IT will still decline under LEH also, as there is enough proof of that as well.

Maybe we should just release wild boars and give a big F U to all those other user groups that are helping cause the issues more
so than hunters.

[cuervosail]

Misleading headline - it seems to indicate that it's a province-wide decline, when in fact it's a study in one area where goats live. Also this, buried in the story ... "A lack of baseline information means researchers weren't able to quantify the change in population."

[Redthies]

Misleading headline - it seems to indicate that it's a province-wide decline, when in fact it's a study in one area where goats live. Also this, buried in the story ... "A lack of baseline information means researchers weren't able to quantify the change in population."


Exactly. Guess what the problem is though? People today are TOO STUPID to read past the headline.

[Planer99]

How can they even be allowed to publish this crap......a non scientific study done by researchers with an agenda. Like above said....done with a lack of baseline information!

[leadpillproductions]

They won't be happy tell we have nothing. July I'm moving to yukon .
BritishColumbia can kiss my ass

[warnniklz]

More on the author
https://conservationscience.uvic.ca/people/tyler-jessen/

[Walking Buffalo]

Recognize that this is Raincoast in action.

Another biased babystep to influence public drama for profit, the end of hunting being inclusive with their goals.

When the government is next amicable towards hunters, there needs to be a change in the Outfitter's Policy, where Outfitter's MUST reach harvest quotas or lose their tenure. Eliminate one of Raincoast's greatest financial sources...

[huntcoop]

Once the indians get on board, look out. We all know that no government has balls to standup against them.

[bangbangkhan]

Ducking bull$hit article

[WhiteTailAB]

Recognize that this is Raincoast in action.

Another biased babystep to influence public drama for profit, the end of hunting being inclusive with their goals.

When the government is next amicable towards hunters, there needs to be a change in the Outfitter's Policy, where Outfitter's MUST reach harvest quotas or lose their tenure. Eliminate one of Raincoast's greatest financial sources...

Good thing Angus sold out to Rainforrest, giving them an in and ultimately setting BC up for complete failure.

[landphil]

I don’t hunt goats, so this has no effect on me.

[Harvest the Land]

I don’t hunt goats, so this has no effect on me.

I don't hunt the Peace for Moose and slashing the tags in half and cutting the length of season by 70% doesn't effect me at all, but that doesn't mean I don't think its important to stand with the hundreds/thousands of hunters who do hunt in that region and make my voice heard. I don't own any of the guns that the Liberals want to ban but I'll be damned if I don't take a stand with the law abiding gun owners who do own those styles of guns and are having their rights to own those guns unjustifiably revoked.

You need to try to see the forest for the trees. You might not hunt goats, but I bet you hunt other big game that Raincoast has their eyes on and are planning/hoping to get a ban on hunting for (elk, sheep, bears etc). With all due respect, your short sighted, narrowminded and frankly selfish type of mindset is exactly what anti-hunting groups are trying to capitalize on. Look at the bigger picture Phil because someday they will be coming take away something that you value deeply, and the best way to stand up to these righteous woke virtue signaling assholes is if we do it in numbers. Once these rights are taken away, its almost impossible to get them back

[Kopper]

I don’t hunt goats, so this has no effect on me.
I really hope that’s said with tongue in cheek; otherwise a horrible perspective.

[Harvest the Land]

https://www.cheknews.ca/mountain-goat-population-declining-in-british-columbia-study-975338/


Mountain goat population declining in British Columbia: study

VANCOUVER — British Columbia’s central coast is losing an animal of significant cultural value to the region’s Indigenous people as fewer mountain goats are seen in its craggy peaks, says a new study.
The study published Tuesday in the open-access peer-reviewed journal Conservation Science and Practice also highlighted the importance of listening to Indigenous Peoples because they first noticed a decline in the population years ago.
Douglas Neasloss, chief councillor of the First Nation, which participated in the study, said he’s been watching the decline for more than 20 years in its territory.
“Mountain goats are really important,” Neasloss said in an interview.
“We use the mountain goat in our songs, our dances, in our stories. Certainly a big part of our food, a big part of our diet. It was often used for trade amongst nations in the central coast.”
Tyler Jessen, the lead author of the study, said researchers from the University of Victoria and the Raincoast Conservation Foundation used a combination of data compiled by the First Nation since the 1980s along with other methods to track the mountain goat population.
An aerial survey of about 500 square kilometres of Kitasoo Xai’xais Nation territory was undertaken in the summers of 2019 and 2020 to understand population density, he said.
“There’s not many goats that are in that coastal area, especially when you compare it to the interior populations like the Rocky Mountains,” said Jessen, a PhD student at the University of Victoria and a scholar with the Raincoast Conservation Foundation.

Researchers also looked at British Columbia hunting records dating back to 1980, he said. The records showed hunters are less successful at hunting mountain goats now or that it takes them longer to find one.
“People would typically see them from the water on a boat while fishing or while working,” he said. “You could just look up and you could see mountain goats on the cliffs in these coastal fiord systems. But not anymore.”
A lack of baseline information means researchers weren’t able to quantify the change in population, Jessen said.
British Columbia has about 50 per cent of the world’s mountain goats but numbers on the animals are hard to come by because there’s limited research and they’re difficult to study in the remote areas they inhabit, he added.
“One of the things that we are trying to highlight is how Indigenous knowledge and Indigenous Peoples can act as sentinels of this change,” he said.
“We’re not monitoring a lot, but there’s still people who are living there who can point to these changes.”
The study said early warnings from Indigenous Peoples in one area can potentially uncover what’s happening on a larger scale.
“In this case, early concerns by the Kitasoo Xai’xais First Nation triggered investigations that revealed evidence of potential decline in goats well beyond Kitasoo Xai’xais First Nation territory,” said the study.

The causes for the decline, Jessen said, include global warming, hunting and attacks by predators. Mountain goats reproduce slowly and are sensitive to any human disturbance, he said.
Neasloss said the Kitasoo Xai’xais First Nation has stopped hunting mountain goats to help preserve the population.
“I’m almost 40 now,” he said.
“I used to be a tour guide. I used to walk out in the territory every day for seven months of the year and I used to see lots of mountain goats. I haven’t seen one in years. What a sharp turn in the last 20 years. So, if we lose the mountain goat, that will just be devastating both culturally and ecologically.”

This report by The Canadian Press was first published March 9, 2022.
Hina Alam, The Canadian Press

So, according to this article, Raincoast is largely basing their study and claiming that all mountain goat populations in BC are declining, on the fact that natives in one particular region can no longer see them from their boats? The "tour guide" even admits himself that they're "not monitoring a lot". And that this must automatically mean that mountain goat populations are tanking all over the province? Its this kind of "science" that makes Anthony Fauci's "science" look like it actually is science! The author of the study himself even acknowledges there's "A lack of baseline information means researchers weren’t able to quantify the change in population".

Yes this is a garbage study and a trash article (but not surprising coming from the CP)

[IronNoggin]

Recognize that this is Raincoast in action.

Another biased babystep to influence public drama for profit, the end of hunting being inclusive with their goals.

When the government is next amicable towards hunters, there needs to be a change in the Outfitter's Policy, where Outfitter's MUST reach harvest quotas or lose their tenure. Eliminate one of Raincoast's greatest financial sources...

BINGO!! https://www.tnof.ca/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/Pozitive.gif


I don’t hunt goats, so this has no effect on me.

Don't want to come across as rude here, but give your head a shake!!

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/images/smilies/snapoutofit.gif

Every single time the anti's score another win, remove another species from our access list, they get two steps closer to what YOU hunt.
And three steps closer to the overall goal of ending hunting forever!
Time to wake up & smell the coffee!

Nog

[180grainer]

Misleading headline - it seems to indicate that it's a province-wide decline, when in fact it's a study in one area where goats live. Also this, buried in the story ... "A lack of baseline information means researchers weren't able to quantify the change in population."
That's what I wondered. Just like the GBear. There are places which were below ideal. Other places over. One First Nations band complaining and all goats are now on the endangered list. Are goats even a traditional food of the FN besides the opportunistic kill? I doubt it.

[Bugle M In]

Recognize that this is Raincoast in action.

Another biased babystep to influence public drama for profit, the end of hunting being inclusive with their goals.

When the government is next amicable towards hunters, there needs to be a change in the Outfitter's Policy, where Outfitter's MUST reach harvest quotas or lose their tenure. Eliminate one of Raincoast's greatest financial sources...
Let me enlighten some of you on something I found out a couple seasons back on goat.
I used to hunt an area for goat with little hunter traffic.
Then one day it went Leh all because of the regen crap.
Well, the odds for years were 0.6:1.
So, just ended up being another Leh money grab albeit a small one.
Anyway, whenever I wanted to go, I knew I would win a tag.
Then after many many years, I didn’t win and the next year I noticed the draw was like 1.2:1.
Well, I watched and it kept happening but I felt ut was weird.
Well, I found out what happened.
The guide told me the outfitter was able to grab up the “extra” tags.
So, on top of his allotment!
Ended up being 5 or 6 extra tags for him.
And from his own mouth, his only money maker.
Now, I am all good with the GO having the extra allotment after the draw and there are tags left over.
However, this became his new norm for allotment I was told?
Now, as far as I am concerned, we RH should have first dibs.
Only afterwards can GO the extra unused ones if they wish.
But each season come Leh time, our allocation should be ours first.
In other words, “ reset back”.
From my understanding with the guide, they now would permanently have those tags.
So, no chance at 0.6:1.
At best now 1.2:1.
And you wonder why a few GO on hex were all over
R4 sheep going Leh.
Always the same players on hex depending on the thread.
Once you know who the players actually are, it all falls into place😜

[warnniklz]

Non-invasive techniques...

[bangbangkhan]

What can we do to fight this information war?

[landphil]

I don't hunt the Peace for Moose and slashing the tags in half and cutting the length of season by 70% doesn't effect me at all, but that doesn't mean I don't think its important to stand with the hundreds/thousands of hunters who do hunt in that region and make my voice heard. I don't own any of the guns that the Liberals want to ban but I'll be damned if I don't take a stand with the law abiding gun owners who do own those styles of guns and are having their rights to own those guns unjustifiably revoked.

You need to try to see the forest for the trees. You might not hunt goats, but I bet you hunt other big game that Raincoast has their eyes on and are planning/hoping to get a ban on hunting for (elk, sheep, bears etc). With all due respect, your short sighted, narrowminded and frankly selfish type of mindset is exactly what anti-hunting groups are trying to capitalize on. Look at the bigger picture Phil because someday they will be coming take away something that you value deeply, and the best way to stand up to these righteous woke virtue signaling assholes is if we do it in numbers. Once these rights are taken away, its almost impossible to get them back




Every single time the anti's score another win, remove another species from our access list, they get two steps closer to what YOU hunt.
And three steps closer to the overall goal of ending hunting forever!
Time to wake up & smell the coffee!

Nog

Exactly my point. Sorry if I rustled yer jimmies. :wink: No different from the fudd response to firearm bans, the g-bear hunt…

[digger dogger]

Ooops, sorry, I thought this thread was about Danny Boi, ACB, & imdone.
Sorry if I offended any goats.