West Pavilion FSR AND area closure coming for NON-NATIVE for hunting purposes.

[rageous]

Pretty significant closure coming to a large area this November.

*No consultation with BC Wildlife or users.




Theres a lot more loaded and will be coming down the pipe.

[Livewire322]

It’ll take me a while to read through the extensive evidence you’ve posted to back this claim…

[RugDoctor]

Either hunting is allowed or it isn’t. If people are allowed to hunt an area, I will hunt the area if I want to.

[Scotty76]

Isn’t it just the fire closure for this year?

[Kilwinning]

Where is everyone getting there info from?

[Bugle M In]

That fire should have pushed a lot of game over into Yalakom anyways;).
But lets see the info first.
Although i wouldn't be surprised but would certainly be pissed.

[Arctic Lake]

Could someone be more specific on this closure ? Map perhaps , I find the original post a little vague .
Arctic Lake

[Bugle M In]

All I have "heard" (not officially seen) was there might be a 500,000 hectre ATV/ORV ban.
After all, they did that after the Ashcroft reserve fire (elephant hill).
So, that wouldn't surprise me.
A full closure would.

[Arctic Lake]

Still wanting to know more about this !
Arctic Lake

Pretty significant closure coming to a large area this November.

*No consultation with BC Wildlife or users.




Theres a lot more loaded and will be coming down the pipe.

[Kilwinning]

That would make sense, 500,000 hectares when the fire was 50,000.

[juiceterboost]

Vehicle closure is in place as of today for the West Pavillion Mckay fire. Hunting is still permitted no vehicle use for the purpose of hunting is though.

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/sports-recreation-arts-and-culture/outdoor-recreation/motor-vehicle-prohibitions/wildfire-closures/mvpr_1_132_mckay_creek.pdf

[Bugle M In]

Vehicle closure is in place as of today for the West Pavillion Mckay fire. Hunting is still permitted no vehicle use for the purpose of hunting is though.

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/sports-recreation-arts-and-culture/outdoor-recreation/motor-vehicle-prohibitions/wildfire-closures/mvpr_1_132_mckay_creek.pdf

Well, there we go.
No surprise...seems to be the new norm.

So, how does this boundary relate to the actual size of burn?
How many hectares is this boundary? (just curious)

[Darksith]

Im not hunting Im prospecting...this rifle is for protection

[juiceterboost]

To my recollection the boundary is more or less the perimeter slightly outside of it in areas but predominantly the perimeter of the fire

[Fosey]

I wonder if the outfitters have the same restrictions?

[CReever]

Why are these motorized-vehicle restrictions being put in place?


Communities and forests were severely affected by the 2021 wildfire season, with more than 550,000 hectares of habitat in the Thompson Okanagan region burnt.
The 2021 wildfires and fire suppression activities (e.g., creation of approximately 2,900 kilometres of fire guards) have opened areas that were previously difficult to access.
High road and fire guard densities, improved sightlines for hunters and predators across burned landscapes, and concentration into remnant habitats are likely to increase vulnerability of wildlife populations.
Unauthorized public access can have negative effects on sensitive burned ecosystems, including increased soil compaction, increased spread of invasive species and accelerated erosion of wildfire-charred soils, which impacts aquatic ecosystems and fish habitat.

Will these motor-vehicle prohibitions be permanent?


These closures are intended as a temporary measure that will be in effect while restoration activities for the fire area are being planned and initiated. Although there is no “sunset clause” in the Motor Vehicle Prohibition Regulation, the intent is to repeal or replace these closures in approximately 18 months. Where appropriate, they will be replaced with site-specific mechanisms that reflect the fire severity, the degree of recovery and the intent of the recovery plans that will be collaboratively developed with First Nations and informed by stakeholders.

What types of vehicles are included in this prohibition?


The motor-vehicle closure applies to all motorized vehicles, including automobiles, trucks, motorcycles, motorhomes, electric bikes and all types of off-road recreational vehicles, wheeled or tracked, including snowmobiles.

Which roads and trails are included in this motor-vehicle closure?


All forest service roads except those identified in green on the motor-vehicle closure maps.
All recreation trails and trail networks.

Which roads are not included in this motor-vehicle closure?


All public roads. For the purposes of this closure, a public road is defined as a road that is maintained by the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure.
Forest service roads that are explicitly identified as open and highlighted green on the motor-vehicle closure maps. Accessible forest service roads are typically two-lane mainline gravel roads that provide routes through a motor-vehicle closure.

Can people hunt or recreate within the motor-vehicle closure areas?


Hunting is permitted within motor-vehicle closure areas.
Motor-vehicle closures can be accessed by non-motorized means for any recreational purpose (e.g., on foot, horseback or bicycle).
As this area is sensitive to disturbance, people who need to go into the area are asked to stay on existing roads and trails to minimize any disturbance.

Are there any exceptions to the current motor-vehicle prohibitions?


The order does not apply to commercial activities other than hunting.
Commercial activities are exempted as there are existing regulations or conditions that can be added to authorizations that mitigate the potential of negative impacts.
Individuals may use or operate a motor vehicle on private property and on roads used to access private property.

Are there permits avaliable to access a closure area using a motor vehicle?


People may apply for an exemption to access a motor-vehicle closure area through FrontCounter BC at: https://portal.nrs.gov.bc.ca/

Will the closure be enforced?


Yes. Enforcement patrols will increase to enhance compliance and enforcement of these prohibitions. Outreach may be supported in partnership with First Nations Guardian patrols.

More Information on the motor-vehicle closure and maps can be found:


at: www.gov.bc.ca/motorvehicleprohibitions (http://www.gov.bc.ca/motorvehicleprohibitions)
on the Provincial Hunting and Trapping Regulations Synopsis Corrections and Updates website at:
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/sports-culture/recreation/fishing-hunting/hunting/regulations-synopsis/regulation-synopsis-corrections-and-updates
by emailing regional resource management: 2021Wildlife.closures@gov.bc.ca
by calling 778 362-4683. Note that this is an answering service. Staff will return calls within two business days.

[Bugle M In]

^^^^well, if it is 2 seasons, then fine.
But someone mention the white rvr fir and closure in the EK, and it is still in place, and it has been longer than 2 years!
Just so everyone is aware.
That could stay closed for 20 years too!
They (ministry) certainly "left it open" to when it will open again, thats for sure.

[Looking_4_Jerky]

These closures were done through an Order-in-council, which is an onerous process. To un-do them will require the same, and which will be subject to staffing and workload prioritization. And, will require FN consultation. So ya, they're saying 18 months but we have zero guarantee we'll ever be able to drive in these areas again.

If FN are happy with the results of the closures (I'm guessing they will be, as they will be able to continue exercising their aboriginal rights by vehicle or whatever, while non-indigenous residents are excluded from driving in these areas), and decide they don't want them repealed in 18 months, it'll be case closed.

[xlcc]

Closed for whites but open for indians?Driving the wedge deeper.Racism or what?
Closed for one,closed for all.No racism here.

[rageous]

It’s so so easy to take when no one resists.