Roads blockades going up in 7B

[rageous]

Our contact in the area was notified that this weekend road blocks are going up due to Covid.

Anyone else hear this?

[KodiakHntr]

Nope. 7B is a big zone, any more info other than that?

[RyoTHC]

Our contact in the area was notified that this weekend road blocks are going up due to Covid.

Anyone else hear this?

pretty easy to find a way around with 4x4. They are lazy and will just block the easiest access areas so they don’t have to put any real effort fourth.

[Rob Chipman]

I'm guessing that's Kaska Dena area. I can't find any announcements that blockades are going up, but it's not surprising that they may go up. Kaska Dena are active in wildlife management (any google search will return useful results on that).

Restricting access to Indigenous communities in response to Covid is legal and reasonable and nobody should oppose that. Covid has hit Indigenous populations in some parts of NA at triple the rates it hits non-Indigenous people, and Indigenous people have a bad history with pandemics, including the last SARs pandemic we had in Canada. For that reason restricting access to communities is totally fair.

If restrictions target resident hunters throughout a First Nation's traditional territory the motivation probably isn't Covid. This is happening in Tahltan territory and could quite possibly happen in other areas. That isn't anywhere near as acceptable as restricting access to communities.

See my post in the BCWF sub-forum. Contact your elected officials now. Email addresses for the main players are there, as are links to all the MLAs and MPs, along with some suggested text.

[dakoda62]

Most, if not all hunters avoid their villages and communities. Just more whining as far as i'm concerned.

[bcairo]

That is exactly the issue. FN have been given the jurisdiction over their communities during COVID by the government. This is from the Government website:

First Nations have jurisdiction in states of emergency (https://news.gov.bc.ca/factsheets/first-nations-emergency-program-act-orders-for-covid-19-response) to protect the health and safety of their communities.


Some First Nations under their local states of emergency have issued travel restrictions related to travel into their communities
Essential travellers are asked to respect check-points and comply with restrictions unless providing services at the request of the First Nation community

The problem is that FN have expanded this jurisdiction over their entire "traditional territory" not just the reserve communities. I think the government has created a major problem here and conflict is inevitable. The definition of community seems to be different from what the original intent was.

[walks with deer]

its the kaska take a look at there website.

[huntingfamily]

Kaska Dena Travel Advisory in British Columbia. News Release

AUGUST 7, 2020
DAYLU DENA COUNCIL, DEASE RIVER FIRST NATION, KWADACHA NATION, AND KASKA DENA COUNCIL

Daylu Dena Council, Dease River First Nation, Kwadacha Nation, and Kaska Dena Council are announcing that*non-essential travel*to the Kaska Traditional Territory and the communities of Good Hope Lake, Lower Post, and Fort Ware*should be avoided.

All recreational and hunting activity is strongly discouraged north of Dease River Bridge, West of Fireside, and in the Fort Ware area. This includes hunting regions 6-23 to 6-25, 7-51 to 7-54, 7- 40, and 7-41. Hunting and recreational activity access points will be monitored, including video surveillance. In addition, security checks are in place on the roads and access cannot be guaranteed.

The consequence of spreading COVID-19 from recreational activity and hunting is too great for the communities given the limited access to acute medical services in the traditional territory in British Columbia. Kaska continues to work with partner governments to collaborate in response to COVID-19.

[Spy]

So why don’t they go hide away inside then? Most hunters will be camping and hunting in remote areas. Why don’t they just keep to themselves and hunters will do the same. Hit those numbers and explain ^^^^ this to them. We all know it’s got nothing todo with Covid and lots todo with them being greedy and not wanting to share.

[dakoda62]

Ignore them, hope this comes to a confrontation.

[wmd]

I bet if they are offered money you can go threw.

[swampthing]

Just another BS excuse to stop whitey!!

[Bigdoggdon]

Let's be perfectly clear on this. Restricting access to their communities is a response to COVID-19. Restricting access to Crown Land within their traditional territories is about ASSERTING SOVEREIGNTY over said territory and our politicians and law enforcement are letting them do it. They will use this as an excuse to set a precedent to use in further treaty negotiations that will take place behind closed doors and do not take the interests of British Columbians into account.

[Rob Chipman]

^^^^ Your distinction between Covid protection and sovereignty assertion is spot on.

Further, despite not having anywhere near as much power as the rest of society the First Nations have been waging this fight for over 100 years, and a cursory look at the history of it will demonstrate that they are, in many many ways, much more sophisticated at it that their opponents. They've been consistently asserting sovereignty for well over 100 years.

[338edgehunter]

I dont mind them protecting their village ect but if they try and stop me from accessing crown land to hunt on its not gonna be pretty

[Rieber]

I dont mind them protecting their village ect but if they try and stop me from accessing crown land to hunt on its not gonna be pretty

Really? What are you going to do? Force your way through a blockage? Ram you vehicle through? Get out and fight your way through? Doubt it.
Only person who things will get ugly for would be you. RCMP won't arrest the Native's in a blockage but they will certainly arrest you, especially in the event there is any assault by hand or by vehicle. And don't think an altercation with firearms in the vehicle is going to improve the situation on your side.

Whatever you do, please have a camera recording your actions and act accordingly when on camera. I totally understand making your point and taking a stand to ensure you as a Canadian, have every right to safe passage on our public roads paid by taxpayer dollars. That's your road and you have the right to free and safe passage. Problem is unless there is RCMP present to ensure your safety at a road blockade - I suspect you to be in for disappointment and misery.

There were threats of blockades last year but hunters went through. There will be the chance that they will hold up traffic until RCMP intervene - just to prove they can but please don't think you can force your way through or you'll be facing assault charges. They will have elders waiting in lawn chairs prepared to lay down on the road until RCMP arrive and will make claims that you knocked them over and now they are physically injured.

Then some yahoo in a camo bandana over his face tosses you a fiery cocktail under your rig. Yup, it can get ugly but sadly the ugly is gear towards tax paying Johnny Pulbic.

This is such a stupid, screwed dynamics that have been allowed to develop because our government decides to cater to a group of people that recognize themselves a different nation until financial handout and lands are handed over. This crap from both sides needs to stop. In my opinion, these blockades are an act of domestic terrorism and need to be dealt with in a more suitable manner that discourages any further attempts to hamper tax paying Canadians.

[Ride Red]

Anyone who believes that you could push your way through, good luck. The government/rcmp only support one side and it’s sure as hell not us; ask Mick. I’ve attached his thread for anyone needing a refresher.

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?135123-Klappan-Blockade-Defense-fund-for-Criminal-Charges-Against-Hunter&highlight=Mick

[BRvalley]

well in the end Mick won with the charges dropped....and some bullshit 5 hours community service as alternative measures negotiated with the crown attorney...only because he verbally explained he was allowed to use reasonable force to remove the illegal roadblock, and the FN's claimed he threatened them with force.....so lessons learned, less talking, less trying to reason with them, just cut your way through and move on

the world needs more Mick's, and if I ever encountered that situation I would do my best to get through it

and yes, the truck always has the dash cam rolling, maybe it's time to get a go pro as well, keep it at the ready

[Walking Buffalo]

It's a good thing that the BC gov has declared Hunting and Fishing an Essential Service.

Now is the time for hunters and fishers to assert their rights.

Use it or lose it.

[boxhitch]

Our contact in the area was notified that this weekend road blocks are going up due to Covid.

Anyone else hear this?And he lays his offering softly on the water surface and patiently waits to see what rises to take his bait

[stoneramhunter]

No big deal. I support them trying to protect the communities.

[srupp]

No big deal. I support them trying to protect the communities.

Hmm mm they are NOT protecting their communities..no hunters are entering the rez.
Same for coastal fishing bullshit..flying clients into lodges. .fishing from private boats affects the Indians how ? It doesn't
Province says hunting fishing essential services. ..Indians want to cancel that blocking provincial rds..
Rules of law is broken.nothing to do with covid..everything to do with more control. .the 3% dictating to the 97%
Steven

[AK-47]

The best protection for their communities against covid would be if they start regular hands washing.

[Muliechaser]

The best protection for their communities against covid would be if they start regular hands washing.

lmao damn straight! As some are aware I am native ..... But don't live on reserve or take hand outs and pay taxes and hunt by the book and and and .but I do agree. Most are immune compromised from doing absolutely SFA and taking handouts . Being lazy reaaallly brings anybody's immune system down . It's proven . I can't wrap my head around some of this shit . It blows me away . I don't know about the rest of you . But no blockade is going to stop me even though I could pull My ID out and get thru . I am with the rest of you on this **** that shit

[srupp]

lmao damn straight! As some are aware I am native ..... But don't live on reserve or take hand outs and pay taxes and hunt by the book and and and .but I do agree. Most are immune compromised from doing absolutely SFA and taking handouts . Being lazy reaaallly brings anybody's immune system down . It's proven . I can't wrap my head around some of this shit . It blows me away . I don't know about the rest of you . But no blockade is going to stop me even though I could pull My ID out and get thru . I am with the rest of you on this **** that shit

Yes however not being able to own your own housing on the rez..lack of $$$$accountability results in too many individuals under the same roof..add drug and alcohol abuse further reduces social distancing
35 years working on the many rez. Can't recall a house being properly kept or maintained..usually muchly overcrowded..
Higher risks..yes
Affected by hunters driving by at highway speeds..ridiculous
Throwing up roadblocks with numerous Indians in the faces of everyone they accost and harass and stop does result in possible covid contacts
Steven

[338edgehunter]

ill be going thru 1 way or another if i have to record it so be it but im not gonna be denied my rights as a Canadian citizen born and raised here and i wont be alone ill be in a group just as determined to make it thru and getting arrested is the least of my worries charges can be fought in court i wont lye down and let my rights be stripped away by some native.

[Rieber]

ill be going thru 1 way or another if i have to record it so be it but im not gonna be denied my rights as a Canadian citizen born and raised here and i wont be alone ill be in a group just as determined to make it thru and getting arrested is the least of my worries charges can be fought in court i wont lye down and let my rights be stripped away by some native.

We better start a Go Fund Me page for 338edgehunter. Nobody is handing out "Get out of jail, Free" cards anymore.

Look, I feel your pair and disgust with the situation but please think your actions through carefully - that's all. Small game hunting and ordering hormone free, grain finished beef and pork from a well trusted rancher is starting to sound more appealing to me all the time. I can satisfy the thrill of hunt on gophers, rabbits and grouse - and deer of course.

[338edgehunter]

Im more of a elk moose sheep and goat kinda guy

[WhiteTailAB]

We better start a Go Fund Me page for 338edgehunter. Nobody is handing out "Get out of jail, Free" cards anymore.

Look, I feel your pair and disgust with the situation but please think your actions through carefully - that's all. Small game hunting and ordering hormone free, grain finished beef and pork from a well trusted rancher is starting to sound more appealing to me all the time. I can satisfy the thrill of hunt on gophers, rabbits and grouse - and deer of course.

Sounds like you will be the first to kneel down and have your head removed too when the time comes.

[Ride Red]

No big deal. I support them trying to protect the communities.

Protecting themselves is fine, but blocking law abiding hunters from the bush on Canadian tax paying soil is bullshit. Hunters aren’t cruising the rez, they’re there to hunt. Native roadblocks outside towns/villages only allows more contact with people from outside their community upping their chance of contact. This is only to set precedent for future pushes to keep non native people out of what they view as theirs. Anyone believing this is strictly covid related is being extremely naive. I won’t let anyone stop me from entering my hunting area, but will do so with the utmost care and video coverage as the courts/rcmp/government don’t support us.

[REMINGTON JIM]

Protecting themselves is fine, but blocking law abiding hunters from the bush on Canadian tax paying soil is bullshit. Hunters aren’t cruising the rez, they’re there to hunt. Native roadblocks outside towns/villages only allows more contact with people from outside their community upping their chance of contact. This is only to set precedent for future pushes to keep non native people out of what they view as theirs. Anyone believing this is strictly covid related is being extremely naive. I won’t let anyone stop me from entering my hunting area, but will do so with the utmost care and video coverage as the courts/rcmp/government don’t support us.

Well Spoken Bud ! Has nothing to do with Covid -just using that as a Excuse ! The Indians think they OWN all the Moose even on Crown land which they think is there's too Now ! :mad: RJ

[Rieber]

Sounds like you will be the first to kneel down and have your head removed too when the time comes.

Nope - not a chance. I want our government to stand up to this form of domestic terrorism. I want to see a zero tolerance on these types of blockades. I want to see a task force that goes in and immediately puts an end to any formation of blockade on all our transportation systems.

All taxpaying Canadians deserve the right to safe and free passage on our roads that we as taxpaying Canadians have funded. If natives want to keep people off their land then let them put up a fence on their land only. Roads that pass through land have a right of way - those roads can't be blocked. But if they want to gate their private roads on their reserves - go for it. Leave the highways alone.

Until our government takes a hard stand on domestic terrorism, these threats of blockades will continue because the government has demonstrated and proven that they will allow and cave into demands of aggressive FN actions and the average joe Canadian taxpayer is encouraged by fines and incarceration, that we must stand by and take this ridiculous garbage and still pay taxes to have our Government restrain, penalize and manage us. This whole situation is totally muffed up.

The only way we have get this back on track is to elect the right government that doesn't stand passive to domestic terrorism and actually sets out to correct and improve the lives of taxpaying Canadians. We as Canadians deserve to get our rights and privileges reinstated. This crap of the government giving away land to appease a select group that on every threat of blockade is gifted some massive settlement - what the heck is that all about? Why does this government exist? We keep electing this corrupt party so effectively we do jointly take it up the keister - and apparently we like it because we keep electing the same party despite the fact that they even tell us ahead of time that their going to put the boots to us.

So - you want to support bashing through a blockade? Well, we're not going to be able to do it one hunter at a time - it has to be a well organized demonstration on mass. There will be consequences, possibly terrible consequences and our government will only this action as enforceable on one side only - it won't be the FNs that will be declared the criminals in such an event.

You can try the individual fight approach - you will end up on the wrong side of justice. The fight will be won by first electing a government that actually protects the right of the taxpaying Canadians. Until then, we're just pissing into the wind.

[BgBlkDg]

VERY well said, but, the traitors have so brainwashed our youth that any election of decent people is probably impossible.......

[RyoTHC]

This is exactly why I know dozens of hard working trades people who do the bulk of their work under the table cash, so they aren’t contributing to this socialist government and their handouts to all the lazy asses.. the ones standing in these blockades included.

every dollar that isn’t given to the Canadian government is a good dollar.
if one group doesn’t have to pay taxes and still gets all the perks, that sets some precedent doesn’t it?

it at least allows these people to not feel guilty about it, and good luck catching anyone... this government won’t even reprimand its own finance minister for tax evasion.

[REMINGTON JIM]

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=409051&d=1597937720


The Tiliban Tahltan Gaurdians are Patroling looking for Moose hunting Whitey's ! Azzehole's ! :mad: jmo RJ

[REMINGTON JIM]

Hmm ! No Comments ? Hard to Believe :roll: RJ

[BgBlkDg]

It would be a fatal error for any indian to attempt to lay hands on me to stop me going anywhere off a reserve in BC/CANADA.......