Northern BC FN call for removal of GBear hunt ban

[huntingfamily]

https://www.quesnelobserver.com/news/northern-b-c-first-nations-call-for-reversal-of-grizzly-bear-hunting-ban/

[mpotzold]

Thank You Chad Day!:-o

No doubt the grizz have a huge impact on moose, caribou...numbers & are known to kill up to 40 newborn calves each & each year. Do the math.
Also I believe in the grizz expert extraordinaire, Gary Shelton that said -hunting grizz instills fear of men, hence less attacks.

We'll probably have to wait for a change in govt. before it's considered.:mad:

[Big Lew]

Thank You Chad Day!:-o

No doubt the grizz have a huge impact on moose, caribou...numbers & are known to kill up to 40 newborn calves each & each year. Do the math.
Also I believe in the grizz expert extraordinaire, Gary Shelton that said -hunting grizz instills fear of men, hence less attacks.

We'll probably have to wait for a change in govt. before it's considered.:mad:

I wholeheartedly agree! I seriously don't think merely changing the government will bring about
the changes needed though. Regardless as to what government is in charge they seem to cater
to the largest populations within cites...most of these people, in my opinion, are me me me, self
entitled, and base their decisions purely on emotion rather than scientific facts. They watch the
TV commercials and Disney based animated films depicting grizzlies as friendly, cuddly, harmless
teddy bears that wouldn't hurt a fly and actually believe it. Same with wolves. I wonder how many
of these clueless people would have second thoughts if they were made to watch what really goes
on out there with predator-prey daily encounters.

[westcoaster]

couldn't agree more....


“We just want to make sure that we make balanced decisions that are based in science and Indigenous knowledge rather than based in emotions from whatever the most popular opinion is in B.C. because we know that the average British Columbian doesn’t live amongst grizzly bears and understand those apex predators like we do.”

[butcher]

It's no coincidence that the Tahltan own G/O territories and would like to sell those hunts. Although whatever the motive is, if a lift of this ban is the final result, I'd support their efforts.

[RyoTHC]

It's no coincidence that the Tahltan own G/O territories and would like to sell those hunts. Although whatever the motive is, if a lift of this ban is the final result, I'd support their efforts.

thats what I wanted to say, if there was no money to be made off selling these hunts then they couldn’t care less I’m sure, but yes it’s for the “moose”

[glennw89]

Stories like this one are the only way major predator management will be possible in the future. The urbanites that drive voting want to save Yogi the Bear, but modern "woke" culture means those same folks can't criticize anything First Nations groups do. Talk about between a rock and a hard place for those folks!

Sure, the Tahltan have their own agenda - but if hunting for everyone improves as a result it is a "win-win".

[Ride Red]

All predators need managing, grizzlies are no different. Hopefully we see this moratorium removed and the hunts can resume.

[ElectricDyck]

It's no coincidence that the Tahltan own G/O territories and would like to sell those hunts. Although whatever the motive is, if a lift of this ban is the final result, I'd support their efforts.

That's what I was thinking as well...

[willyqbc]

Although whatever the motive is, if a lift of this ban is the final result, I'd support their efforts.


Sure, the Tahltan have their own agenda - but if hunting for everyone improves as a result it is a "win-win"

I have my doubts hunting for "everyone" will improve....NOTHING I have seen in recent memory makes me think that a "reversal" of the ban would end up being for everyone....more likely a re-opening of grizzly hunting under the exclusive control of first nations in their own areas.

[butcher]

I have my doubts hunting for "everyone" will improve....NOTHING I have seen in recent memory makes me think that a "reversal" of the ban would end up being for everyone....more likely a re-opening of grizzly hunting under the exclusive control of first nations in their own areas.

Yes, I can see that being the case. I think we can go one step further and speculate that ALL hunting access will be for, and controlled by, FN's for their benefit and profit. I think that's the ultimate goal.

[WhiteTailAB]

I wish Alberta would reopen the hunt

[boxhitch]

They just need to loose a few family members at the traditional watering hole, then the rules will change

[Redthies]

Then they will ceremonially hunt them with their AR-10s.

[walks with deer]

news flash chad day is the febuary elk killer...in region 5

[walks with deer]

chad day is trying to sell hunts and play his guitar.

[Baconator]

We must boot the NDP back where they belong, weak opposition, and throw anything that even smells like U.N Communism in the recycle bin. Then put pressure on our MLA's to re-instate the Grizzly Hunt. Anyone who thinks the natives will be our allies in this are in for a big surprise. Taxpayers must take control of this country and let or elected representatives know that the parasite groups no longer call the shots. Reality is a truly scary place and our Governments are about to get a taste of it this fall when they can no longer lie about how bad the economy really is. The Turrd and Horrible Horgan must cringe every time they hear about the initiatives Alberta is implementing to off set the crazy commie crap that is destroying this country.

[xlcc]

The above comment hit the nail on the head!

[REMINGTON JIM]

We must boot the NDP back where they belong, weak opposition, and throw anything that even smells like U.N Communism in the recycle bin. Then put pressure on our MLA's to re-instate the Grizzly Hunt. Anyone who thinks the natives will be our allies in this are in for a big surprise. Taxpayers must take control of this country and let or elected representatives know that the parasite groups no longer call the shots. Reality is a truly scary place and our Governments are about to get a taste of it this fall when they can no longer lie about how bad the economy really is. The Turrd and Horrible Horgan must cringe every time they hear about the initiatives Alberta is implementing to off set the crazy commie crap that is destroying this country.

I AGREE except the Whoregan ndp ers have already started to turn over F & W service to the Indians and like you say we cannot trust them either ! jmo RJ

[chilcotin hillbilly]

news flash chad day is the febuary elk killer...in region 5

Please let the rest of us know what the heck you are talking about. Funny you would say that as I am pretty sure Chad doesn't hunt.

[bigredchev]

couldn't agree more....


”indigenous knowledge” has been a double edged sword lately. I’m after pure science, but that’s a pipe dream

[Rob Chipman]

The new term I've started seeing is "TEK" - which I believe means "traditional ecological knowledge".

This won't surprise you, but I read one non-Indigenous scientist remarking that he got some grief in a paper for using TEK because it wasn't clear if he was using it himself (bad, I suppose) or getting it from an approved source. :-)

I actually don't see a necessary disconnect between Indigenous knowledge and western science. They should be easy to reconcile in a disciplined way. However, I'm sure there will be some funny (sometimes funny enough to make you cry) examples of it emerging.

[Baconator]

Despite what the Liebrals and the Provincial NDP said, financially pre-covid 19 our debt was not too good. Now with Covid we are in the poor house and will be for many years. Canadians, Federal Liebrals and NDPers must WAKE UP. We can no longer pander to the non-productive segments of this once great country. Canadians are polite and timid generally, but mark my words we will have a tax payer revolt in this country and soon.

[bearvalley]

news flash chad day is the febuary elk killer...in region 5


chad day is trying to sell hunts and play his guitar.

These are the kind of comments that completely discredit this site.
The first one of him being “the February elk killer....in region 5” is straight BS.
As for the second comment on trying to sell hunts and play his guitar.....you’ve missed the mark again.
The Tahltans have the grizzly bear hunt.....maybe try and comprehend he’s trying to reinstate a grizzly hunt for others.
BC residents, guides and ungulates will benefit if something comes of this.
Not a real hard concept to grasp but I doubt like hell Chad Day will continue to be supportive if one group continues to sling shit.

[Baconator]

Grizzly Hunting in BC will only be re-instate if the Provincial NDP are soundly defeated in the next Provincial Election and a collection of Natives, Guide Outfitters and Resident Hunters can make the Provincial Liberal Back Benchers shit their pants more than the Tree Huggers. That is what will get the hunt re-instated.

[Jimbob]

news flash chad day is the febuary elk killer...in region 5

You need to delete this or back it up.
As far as I know he is not a hunter. I teach his kids and talk with him occasionally. I believe he went Grizzly hunting just to kill one to do his part and draw attention to the issue (he wasn't successful).

So here we have a First Nation's leader that is ON OUR SIDE and doing something that will benefit hunters but somehow we turned that into a bad thing. Stop trying to find the negatives and instead support Chad on this issue. Sure there will be other issues to disagree with the Tahltahn's but on this one show support and come together.

You know he could be advocating to just allow Tahltan's to sell Grizzly hunts in their territory to whomever they please but he is not doing that. He wants to get the grizzly hunt reinstated for the WHOLE PROVINCE and for ALL hunters.

[Stone Sheep Steve]

These are the kind of comments that completely discredit this site.
The first one of him being “the February elk killer....in region 5” is straight BS.
As for the second comment on trying to sell hunts and play his guitar.....you’ve missed the mark again.
The Tahltans have the grizzly bear hunt.....maybe try and comprehend he’s trying to reinstate a grizzly hunt for others.
BC residents, guides and ungulates will benefit if something comes of this.
Not a real hard concept to grasp but I doubt like hell Chad Day will continue to be supportive if one group continues to sling shit.

Walks with deer is one person....not a group. He speaks for himself and only himself.

SSS

[tyreguy]

In internet slang, a troll is a person who starts flame wars or intentionally upsets people on the Internet by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses and normalizing tangential discussion, either for the troll's amusement or a specific gain.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...........Troll is what Walks with Deer is doing.

And..........its February not febuary......unless it got changed recently.


news flash chad day is the febuary elk killer...in region 5

[Cabled]

Anyone interested in this development should listen to the Hunter Conservationist podcast episode 27. It’s definitely worth a listen regardless of your thoughts on the issue. I’ve been noticing a couple podcasts talking about FN and wildlife management, I’m for sure no expert, but they do raise some interesting points. In my opinion it’s scary giving control to any one group, but I have a hard time seeing how anyone could screw up wildlife more than the government is doing now. The problem I see is as resident hunters is all the unknowns, I don’t want to lose my rights anymore than the next guy. At the same time I can see how hunting is never going to be a priority politically without FN involvement, it’s a tough one for sure. Interested in others thought on this?

[WelderGuy]

We must boot the NDP back where they belong, weak opposition, and throw anything that even smells like U.N Communism in the recycle bin. Then put pressure on our MLA's to re-instate the Grizzly Hunt. Anyone who thinks the natives will be our allies in this are in for a big surprise. Taxpayers must take control of this country and let or elected representatives know that the parasite groups no longer call the shots. Reality is a truly scary place and our Governments are about to get a taste of it this fall when they can no longer lie about how bad the economy really is. The Turrd and Horrible Horgan must cringe every time they hear about the initiatives Alberta is implementing to off set the crazy commie crap that is destroying this country.

After reading ALL of your comments in this thread I must say, I believe you have it nailed down correctly, and I wish more people held these views,,,thank you

[Rob Chipman]

I'm curious to see if the Tahltan call the NDP's bluff. It's pretty easy for Chad Day and the TCG to say they weren't properly consulted (pretty sure he's argued that already). It's also pretty tough for the NDP to adopt Bill 41 (UNDRIP) which calls for full and informed consent, and then not allow the Tahltan to do what they think is right and reasonable.

[Cabled]

After reading ALL of your comments in this thread I must say, I believe you have it nailed down correctly, and I wish more people held these views,,,thank you
I don’t disagree with either of you that this is the way it should be. But I’m pretty confident there aren’t enough people that care about hunting, and will actually get off their ass and pressure their elected officials, to ever influence any elected party. Sure hasn’t been in the last 20 years, don’t see what’s changed to all of a sudden make a difference. I wish I was wrong, but I don’t see that I am.