2020 Sheep Pack Weight

[HankBC]

Hey gents, been compiling this list based upon what I required the last couple years in the mountains. I haven't died yet, so I continue adding and subtracting things that don't seem to have a Very important purpose, or multiple uses. I researched on here and Rokslide a fair bit, and upgraded and changed accordingly.

Here's what I came up with https://lighterpack.com/r/48260f

It's a link to a gear list website that I built it on, free to use if you'd like to do the same.

[Weatherby Fan]

Wow thats really cool, much better than the list I made, thanks for sharing.

[warnniklz]

oooooooooh... getting after this

[twoSevenO]

I haven't died yet

That's surprising, considering your pack does not contain a single edible item. lol

[HankBC]

That's surprising, considering your pack does not contain a single edible item. lol

hahaha right you are buddy. This is all pre-food and water weight. I’m usually between 1.9 - 2.1 lbs a day for food. Add that on top of the base weight for the trip

[jac]

With the food and water that’s going to be pretty heavy. My pack for 10 days last year was 57 with 1 water bottle full. 57lbs was pack and rifle and ammo, bino on the front were not in the weight

[jac]

Did you have 1lbs of salt on the list?

[HankBC]

Is this including your food? There's a couple areas I could save weight, but I'm not certain I'd be willing to compromise.. I carried the majority of this in last year and put on a fair bit of km. Just depends on duration of trip, I'll have my jet boat tied up on the river so if I'm planning to return I'll leave some food bags there. Salt will be in the boat as well.

1. Lighter rain gear
2. No night time comfy shoes / creek crossers (crocs)
3. Lighter cookset instead of the reactor
4. No puffy pants... I love those things too much to leave ever again.
5. No sil tarp (sheep tarp on the list)
6. no pee bottle
7. Leave the battery, cordsm in the boat
8. not carry an 8lb rifle.. But she shoots great!




With the food and water that’s going to be pretty heavy. My pack for 10 days last year was 57 with 1 water bottle full. 57lbs was pack and rifle and ammo, bino on the front were not in the weight

[jac]

57lbs included about 18lbs of food.

I brought the crocs.
i brought OR rain gear
I didn’t have a sil tarp
we shared a spotting scope and tripod
I brought 3 extra AAA
i do have a lighter rifle around 6.6 lbs with scope

[robllachance]

Save some weight by taking one larger fuel canister.

[Bustercluck]

Save some weight by taking one larger fuel canister.
I’ve thought about doing this too, but I can’t buy them locally and I hate having half full cans kicking around. I usually bring the one that fits in the jetboil and a spare one, sometimes it’s the next size up and sometimes it’s another little one.

[robllachance]

They sell some cheap valves to transfer gas between canisters

UOTE=Bustercluck;2183755]I’ve thought about doing this too, but I can’t buy them locally and I hate having half full cans kicking around. I usually bring the one that fits in the jetboil and a spare one, sometimes it’s the next size up and sometimes it’s another little one.[/QUOTE]

[Cheeser]

What's your pee bottle? A wide mouth Powerade bottle is 1.67oz, easy couple ounces there.

[jac]

I brought a pee bottle last year worked well if you are solo in the tent. Make sure the bottle has enough capacity haha

[Bustercluck]

I brought a pee bottle last year worked well if you are solo in the tent. Make sure the bottle has enough capacity haha
Please tell me there’s an inside joke I’m missing here.

[jac]

What, raining and snowing and didn’t want to
go outside of the tent in middle of the night so you piss in a bottle. No big deal, just don’t let it get to full haha

[KodiakHntr]

Hey gents, been compiling this list based upon what I required the last couple years in the mountains. I haven't died yet, so I continue adding and subtracting things that don't seem to have a Very important purpose, or multiple uses. I researched on here and Rokslide a fair bit, and upgraded and changed accordingly.

Here's what I came up with https://lighterpack.com/r/48260f

It's a link to a gear list website that I built it on, free to use if you'd like to do the same.


Thats not exactly your packed weight though, thats your walking weight. Unless of course you are carrying a spare pair of boots in your pack...

[tdot]

Tracking Skin-out weight is important, IMO. If your legs are having to move it up a hill, there's minimal difference if it is on your chest, ass or backpack. Weight on you feet and legs make a difference vs. Your backpack.

My skin-out weight is 68-70 pounds, including everything I wear, bino harness, 10 days of food, optics, rifle and 3L of water.

But my backpack is only 24 pounds, so roughly 1/3 the total weight.

[Rubicon500]

Hey gents, been compiling this list based upon what I required the last couple years in the mountains. I haven't died yet, so I continue adding and subtracting things that don't seem to have a Very important purpose, or multiple uses. I researched on here and Rokslide a fair bit, and upgraded and changed accordingly.

Here's what I came up with https://lighterpack.com/r/48260f

It's a link to a gear list website that I built it on, free to use if you'd like to do the same.

I Like the pie chart and list , food you can def save some weight. I take peanut butter packs , MCT oil , anything high calories to weight ratio. I can get 2500 cals down to 1.2 lbs a day. Also your boot weight is for 1 boot , unless you did some modifications to them yourself haha.

[Rubicon500]

Thats not exactly your packed weight though, thats your walking weight. Unless of course you are carrying a spare pair of boots in your pack...

He posted “pack weight , worn weight” has both on there maybe he edited after
you posted this

[Bustercluck]

How much water do u guys pack? it’s always a dicey maneuver. I try to pack my one litre nalgene and keep it as full as possible, especially if I know there’s water ahead. I seem to always have some back up water in my pack, but it’s probably the thing that bothers me the most.

[KodiakHntr]

Tracking Skin-out weight is important, IMO. If your legs are having to move it up a hill, there's minimal difference if it is on your chest, ass or backpack. Weight on you feet and legs make a difference vs. Your backpack.

My skin-out weight is 68-70 pounds, including everything I wear, bino harness, 10 days of food, optics, rifle and 3L of water.

But my backpack is only 24 pounds, so roughly 1/3 the total weight.

I understand where you are coming from, but it the same note not many guys backpack into the mountains naked from the drop point so its kind of a moot point. You are wearing clothing and boots no matter what so your metric and the reason for tracking weights is somewhat skewed. Doesn’t really make any difference in the long run if you use the same variables trip after trip though.

I would hazard a guess that most guys don’t factor in the weight of the clothes they are wearing when discussing packed weights for X number of days though.

Personally, I’m usually trying for as close to 50lbs as I can get with food and 1-2l (or 3, depending on temperature and availability along the way) of water for 7 days, not counting rifle and bino’s and clothes on me and hiking poles in my hands. Good boots and poles reduce effort required to carry weight, so they have zero net impact on pack weight in my mind.

[BgBlkDg]

I understand where you are coming from, but it the same note not many guys backpack into the mountains naked from the drop point so its kind of a moot point. You are wearing clothing and boots no matter what so your metric and the reason for tracking weights is somewhat skewed. Doesn’t really make any difference in the long run if you use the same variables trip after trip though.

I would hazard a guess that most guys don’t factor in the weight of the clothes they are wearing when discussing packed weights for X number of days though.

Personally, I’m usually trying for as close to 50lbs as I can get with food and 1-2l (or 3, depending on temperature and availability along the way) of water for 7 days, not counting rifle and bino’s and clothes on me and hiking poles in my hands. Good boots and poles reduce effort required to carry weight, so they have zero net impact on pack weight in my mind.

That is doable, but tight and is about what my 5-7 day exploration packs would weigh in the '70s, '80s and '90s for solo wilderness treks. often no gun, but optics, field manuals and fishing gear. This is plenty in really tough country like traversing the Valhallas or crossing Earl Grey Pass.

Gear is lighter now for those who can afford the best, but, people carry stuff I would never have packed or which was not available.

[tdot]

I understand where you are coming from, but it the same note not many guys backpack into the mountains naked from the drop point so its kind of a moot point. You are wearing clothing and boots no matter what so your metric and the reason for tracking weights is somewhat skewed. Doesn’t really make any difference in the long run if you use the same variables trip after trip though.

I would hazard a guess that most guys don’t factor in the weight of the clothes they are wearing when discussing packed weights for X number of days though.

Personally, I’m usually trying for as close to 50lbs as I can get with food and 1-2l (or 3, depending on temperature and availability along the way) of water for 7 days, not counting rifle and bino’s and clothes on me and hiking poles in my hands. Good boots and poles reduce effort required to carry weight, so they have zero net impact on pack weight in my mind.

I agree that most guys don't track it, but if you're going to spend time and energy counting grams, it's best to have the whole picture. Cutting weight can be an expensive endeavor, why spend that time and energy and then lose ground by unknowingly wearing pants that are 1/2 pound heavier then other options you may have. Shirts, gaiters, etc., crap in a bino harness, it all adds up and can easily cancel out all your hard work.

Hunting is the only sport I'm involved in where people only count part of their gear weight. Everyone is welcome to do what they want, but it's such an easy way to save weight or add weight, that I keep track of it.

[tdot]

How much water do u guys pack? it’s always a dicey maneuver. I try to pack my one litre nalgene and keep it as full as possible, especially if I know there’s water ahead. I seem to always have some back up water in my pack, but it’s probably the thing that bothers me the most.

I carry as little as possible and tend to drink as much as I can at easy water sources. But generally 1L minimum if I know the area. Add a liter if it's warm. Add a liter if I dont know the water sources in the area and intend to overnight. Then if I'm going up high, I'll add 2-3 liters per day I want to stay up high and don't want to have to worry about water.

[warnniklz]

How much water do u guys pack? it’s always a dicey maneuver. I try to pack my one litre nalgene and keep it as full as possible, especially if I know there’s water ahead. I seem to always have some back up water in my pack, but it’s probably the thing that bothers me the most.

Pack 2 liter camelback and 1 liter canteen until i figure out the water sources

[KodiakHntr]

I agree that most guys don't track it, but if you're going to spend time and energy counting grams, it's best to have the whole picture. Cutting weight can be an expensive endeavor, why spend that time and energy and then lose ground by unknowingly wearing pants that are 1/2 pound heavier then other options you may have. Shirts, gaiters, etc., crap in a bino harness, it all adds up and can easily cancel out all your hard work.

Hunting is the only sport I'm involved in where people only count part of their gear weight. Everyone is welcome to do what they want, but it's such an easy way to save weight or add weight, that I keep track of it.

True enough. There is however a difference between 8 pounds of clothes on your body and 8 pounds of clothes in a grocery sack in your hands. Its not exactly an apples to apples comparison.

While I am personally of the belief that if you take care of the ounces, the pounds will take care of themselves, there are some aspects of weight rationalization that need to simply be accepted. And that is predominately based on your expectations and mental toughness and of the hunt itself. Clothing requirements for a September stone hunt 15 km back in are vastly different from a September muley hunt 2 hours from the truck. Some stuff is worth the weight penalty and it simply doesn’t matter what it weighs. I don’t choose my binoculars with any thought as to weight, nor do I give much weight thought to my boots, I simply take the best stuff for the conditions and it doesn’t matter what the weight is because that gear isn’t negotiable in my mind.

That said, I don’t disagree with you, capture the weights on everything to make the best decisions for the scenario you are contemplating. Just don’t let weight savings over ride the best choice for the hunt.

[tdot]

. Just don’t let weight savings over ride the best choice for the hunt.

Absolutely ageee. Ounce counting is just a single metric to keep an eye on. It is not the only thing to consider. I steered clear of weight weenie choices for along time, because I always felt they made too many sacrifices to lose weight. But some of the gear available now is incredible how light, durable and effective it is.

[HankBC]

Thats not exactly your packed weight though, thats your walking weight. Unless of course you are carrying a spare pair of boots in your pack...

It should have both on the list there mate. What's worn and what is the total.

[HankBC]

I Like the pie chart and list , food you can def save some weight. I take peanut butter packs , MCT oil , anything high calories to weight ratio. I can get 2500 cals down to 1.2 lbs a day. Also your boot weight is for 1 boot , unless you did some modifications to them yourself haha.

Yeah shoot, I missed that on the boot. One of the things I didn't directly weigh, thanks for the catch.

Food for the day generally goes something like this:

Breakfast; Homemade granola (granola, powdered milk, sliced almonds, powdered / dried coconut, dried cranberry).
2 Packets vietnamese instant coffee. (read little water required, solid kick in the pants)
Pro bar base
2 honey stinger waffles
Chocolate peanut butter packet
Moon Cheese (adds a crunchy consistency, the pepper jack is my go to.
Peanut butter / honey / bacon vac sealed thin bagel sandwich.. Basically a compressed candy bar of happiness. See the A$$hole sandwich posts from Aron Snyder on Rokslide.
Trail mix w dried fruits / nuts. Liking one from costco with dried banana right now.
1 bag of deer jerky (I like the salt fix I get from it, and helps with glassing.
BCAA mix to add to a nalgene when I'm ready (used individual sampler packets of iced tea flavor).
Dehydrated dinner is Peak Refuel, I always look forward to those. I can recommend a few good ones, don't get the pesto it's too small.

I Carry a teabag of licorice tea for every other day. Great if I'm cold and wet when I'm crawling into the bag. Honey stinger energy chews are tasty and a pick me up.
I Don't always take a bagel for each day due to weight, replace it with a pro bar meal in which is not as good. You can mix and match whatever works for you. In 2018 I lost around 1lb of body weight per day on the mountain eating around 2500 calories. I do my best to snack a fair amount and aim for the 3000+ cal area. The homemade granola, bagel, and peak refuel greatly assist in that.

I keep extra oats and 'mountain meals' (pre made meals frozen in 2lb tinfoil containers to heat up over a fire) etc at the boat. Along with other happiness and goodies.


Thanks for the incite on a few areas to save, but there's some areas that I just don't want to compromise in. I carry the 1L reactor and like how everything fits together (large fuel canister does not fit inside). If the weather is easy and I have more efficient re-hydrating I could take the GSI minimalist with a pocket rocket, saves weight but useless in wind.

For those of you who say your bag is lighter with a partner... It should be, you're sharing weight where you can and maximizing gear capabilities.

I'll update the P bottle, I just used Nalgene weight but usually use a gatorade plastic bottle.

I've went through some different options for water. I keep the aqua tabs in my possibles pouch in case of failure, as well as meds for beaver fever. Lately I've been using the katadyn befree 1L filter, in conjunction with a 1L nalgene, and a 2L bladder that the filter will also screw into. It's fast and seems to get it done. Problems would show up if you let it freeze however. I tried the steripen route and had one die on me. They're also heavy and require batteries, I try for all my electronics to be rechargeable.

Hope this helps, hit me back with any questions folks!
Cheers,

[jac]

I carried 4 litres of water when heading away from the water source. I use smart water bottles and 1 nalgene