Anyone Been Stopped?

[Hunterguy]

Was just wondering if anyone has been stopped while on a bear hunt with two people not being family, hunting camps etc?

[NMO]

Ran into the RCMP a week or two ago - unrelated to my activities in the woods - but they did not care that I was out hunting (solo) 80km from home, nor did they check my firearm that I told them was in the vehicle, or ask to see a PAL. I think they have better sh*t to deal with than checking hunters unless given reason. To my understanding they also do not have the authority to enforce PHO regulations.

That said, why push it? Currently things have been going relatively well in BC, and they have kept hunting open under the guidelines of not sharing a vehicle etc. Would hate to see us all suffer because a handful of people aren't willing to hunt solo for the spring. Just my 2cents.

[horshur]

You are not going to be hassled...at least by the authorities. Stay away from provincial parks..try not to rub peopled noses in it and just go and enjoy yourself..I have ridden my dirt bike every weekend since this all went down..people are mnt biking,walking there dogs,quading,paddling the lakes..maybe even more so then they did before..it has been good weather all spring and the bears are out,lakes are opening up...the outdoors is the best place we can be right now...get outside

[caddisguy]

Been out camping and causally hunting a few times. No stops... even bumped into some SAR folks looking for a body and talked to them and everyone maintained a good distance.

I think as long as we keep our distance out there and don't cause issues (fires, accidents, needing help for vehicle break downs / tows) etc... or start assembling in hunting camps with 10+ people (who don't live together) around a campfire, they won't shut down hunting/camping like they have in other places... but if we screw that up (which unfortunately is happening to some extent) they won't shut it all down.

I would say if you are going to go out, keep the camps small, don't be a liability.. if you roll a rig, break down and cant fix it yourself, gather with a bunch of others, passing around the bottle in a big circle, create any situation front line workers need to attend, injure yourself, etc.... all those things... if we go and start that kind of stuff the justification is there to shut it all down (no camping, hunting or fishing allowed) so we just need to be smart about it.

I don't stop anywhere to go to the washroom (I plan my liquid consumption ahead) ... if I stop for gas I hand sanitize before and after ... no going in to buy snacks anywhere and I accept that if I get stuck behind a washout (which I judge thoroughly to avoid) I accept that I'll just leave my vehicle to rot. I'm not asking anyone to come help or paying anyone to interact with me or my vehicle.

If we all treat it like this, we can keep on the way we are as the weather turns nice and more people are enjoying the outdoors. Won't take much to mess it up though. Make sure the vehicle is good and reliable, be extra safe, don't slice yourself with a knife gutting a bear and need stitches... that will mess it up... just don't do it... common sense and vigilance and we can all keep having fun.

I just pretend there is no such thing as medical services, no tow trucks / recovery, no ambulances, no gas stations or road stops to use the washroom or get snacks. I think if people can do all those things we're good. I am a bit worried about "May Long" as the kids call it though. I think that could bring about a lot of "party break ups", along with other emergency services being used for BS like drunk people and fights in the bush, maybe fires.... typical "may long" BS.... if it is going to turn into a full on outdoors ban, that will probably be the weekend it happens as a result of.

[Jimbob]

I was out bear hunting this weekend. Stopped at the side of the road loading my rifle and an SUV was approaching, as it got close it was RCMP, he just rolled on by. I was shocked they didn't stop to check us out.

[GreyDog]

Here is a tidbit Dr. Bonnie Henry doesn't want you to think about: If you don't have corona virus and the person you are with doesn't have corona virus, you don't have to stand six feet apart! If you have not been in close contact with anyone you don't know you are probably fine. If your friends have not been in close contact with anyone they don't know, they are probably fine too. It is one thing to be cautious but there is no reason to be frightened. GD

[huntcoop]

Here is a tidbit Dr. Bonnie Henry doesn't want you to think about: If you don't have corona virus and the person you are with doesn't have corona virus, you don't have to stand six feet apart! If you have not been in close contact with anyone you don't know you are probably fine. If your friends have not been in close contact with anyone they don't know, they are probably fine too. It is one thing to be cautious but there is no reason to be frightened. GD

Playing the devils advocate, what if one or both of you are asymptomatic? Been tested?

[russm86]

Didn't Bonnie Henry just announce on Friday that we were allowed to start slightly increasing our social circles?

[GreyDog]

If both are asymptomatic, it's not an issue. Here's the thing, people should know what the likelyhood of them being infected might be. For the vast majority, the chances are low. Common sense. Be cautious but don't be scared. Since Bonnie Henry won't release information regarding the incidence of infection, we have to weigh the odds and figure it out on our own. Ultimately, if the virus does not just disappear (unlikely) or an effective vaccine is not developed, we will have get it to develop immunity. On the other hand, if one does get it and knows it, spreading it is criminal. GD

[MB_Boy]

If both are asymptomatic, it's not an issue. Here's the thing, people should know what the likelyhood of them being infected might be.

Have you ever looked around you and said "why the f**k are they doing that?". Have you watched the news and said WTF?

People DON'T know.......people are idiots.


Do you think these "should know"? They may have been asymptomatic but how many people did they perhaps touch through their travels?

More than 370 workers at a pork plant in Missouri tested positive for coronavirus. All were asymptomatic
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/04/us/triumph-foods-outbreak-missouri/index.html

[WildernessLocals]

Was out on Saturday with my Daughter, RCMP were in the area looking for someone. They asked if I had seen an activity in the area and told us to have fun! Was a very pleasant interaction.

[huntcoop]

If both are asymptomatic, it's not an issue. Here's the thing, people should know what the likelyhood of them being infected might be. For the vast majority, the chances are low. Common sense. Be cautious but don't be scared. Since Bonnie Henry won't release information regarding the incidence of infection, we have to weigh the odds and figure it out on our own...

If one person is asymptomatic the other guy is probably done, that is how and why this shit spreads. I won't even start with "common sense" and "people should know", that's laughable.

[chilcotin hillbilly]

It is funny how people buy into this suggested behaviour as law.
There is no law saying we can not hunt with others then family. It has not been changed in the Wildlife act nor in common criminal law. The CO's and the RCMP will loose in court if they write a ticket.
The judge has to look at the law not social license.
I would be hunting with who ever you like just be respectful of others you encounter while on your hunt or travelling to and from.

[Yuritau]

If both are asymptomatic, it's not an issue. Here's the thing, people should know what the likelyhood of them being infected might be. For the vast majority, the chances are low. Common sense. Be cautious but don't be scared. Since Bonnie Henry won't release information regarding the incidence of infection, we have to weigh the odds and figure it out on our own. Ultimately, if the virus does not just disappear (unlikely) or an effective vaccine is not developed, we will have get it to develop immunity. On the other hand, if one does get it and knows it, spreading it is criminal. GD

There's no way, yet, to know if having and recovering from covid-19 actually causes you to develop immunity. And even if it does, how long that immunity will actually last. Pretty serious risk for an uncertain benefit. And I do mean serious risk. going by the average numbers reported for incidence of complications requiring hospitalization and mortality rates.. the risk is roughly equivalent to playing russian roulette twice, first time pointed at one of your lungs, second time pointed at your head. Not a game I'm keen to play.

[snipersights]

You are not going to be hassled...at least by the authorities. Stay away from provincial parks..try not to rub peopled noses in it and just go and enjoy yourself..I have ridden my dirt bike every weekend since this all went down..people are mnt biking,walking there dogs,quading,paddling the lakes..maybe even more so then they did before..it has been good weather all spring and the bears are out,lakes are opening up...the outdoors is the best place we can be right now...get outside


This is great advice don’t tell anybody except for us that you’re going hunting is there’s a lot of stupid people out there that think that you can’t leave your house even if you’re going to the Bush

[horshur]

There's no way, yet, to know if having and recovering from covid-19 actually causes you to develop immunity. And even if it does, how long that immunity will actually last. Pretty serious risk for an uncertain benefit. And I do mean serious risk. going by the average numbers reported for incidence of complications requiring hospitalization and mortality rates.. the risk is roughly equivalent to playing russian roulette twice, first time pointed at one of your lungs, second time pointed at your head. Not a game I'm keen to play.



Will the how are you planning on living for the next dozen years..cause if having it and recovering doesn't provide some immunity then immunization is out as well...so your gonna hide untill when? Think about that. Your not holding hope for only 18 months but like alot longer...

[Linksman313]

Hmmm niece was out camping in unmarked and unregulated campground (clean, home made outhouse, pre-cut firewood left for the next group and all). As of late it seems to be the place for her to clear her head and grieve the recent passing of her Dad (Brad RIP) so i have been encouraging her to get out there more. Saturday a CO shows up and gives them a huge hassle for being there. CO cites closure due to inablility to keep public outhouse disinfected (bs). Niece was taught early the principles of a clean camp (Grizz territory) so there is no garbage, sufficient water nearby to douse fire etc... Mature, respectable kid, says ok thanks, packed up and came home. Went over some maps with her Sunday afternoon and cannot find anywhere close to where she was marked as a rec site, no signage of any kind, just a common public camping spot (proximity to mushrooms picking, trail system, used to be a good hunt until forestry levelled it) We managed picked another good spot near water and a little more off the beaten track for her next weekend. Region 8 Just FYI

[albravo2]

Hmmm niece was out camping in unmarked and unregulated campground (clean, home made outhouse, pre-cut firewood left for the next group and all). As of late it seems to be the place for her to clear her head and grieve the recent passing of her Dad (Brad RIP) so i have been encouraging her to get out there more. Saturday a CO shows up and gives them a huge hassle for being there. CO cites closure due to inablility to keep public outhouse disinfected (bs). Niece was taught early the principles of a clean camp (Grizz territory) so there is no garbage, sufficient water nearby to douse fire etc... Mature, respectable kid, says ok thanks, packed up and came home. Went over some maps with her Sunday afternoon and cannot find anywhere close to where she was marked as a rec site, no signage of any kind, just a common public camping spot (proximity to mushrooms picking, trail system, used to be a good hunt until forestry levelled it) We managed picked another good spot near water and a little more off the beaten track for her next weekend. Region 8 Just FYI

That is just sh*tty of the CO. I drove the Duffy yesterday and saw a bunch of campers along the river. Assuming they are exercising caution regarding the virus I say good for them!

I hope she isn't hassled any further.

[Yuritau]

Will the how are you planning on living for the next dozen years..cause if having it and recovering doesn't provide some immunity then immunization is out as well...so your gonna hide untill when? Think about that. Your not holding hope for only 18 months but like alot longer...

Did you miss the part where I said "There's no way, yet, to know.."? Decisions get made on information. Until we have information, we wait.

[Redthies]

Decisions get made on information. Until we have information, we wait.

Good on ya! You stay home and wait for a decision, I’m going hunting away from other folks with no plans to interact with others any more than I do now at home.

[horshur]

Did you miss the part where I said "There's no way, yet, to know.."? Decisions get made on information. Until we have information, we wait.

Your waiting to find out if you forever have to live in a bubble...think about it..if what you say is true..no immunity...how are you going to live..or why would you want to??? Lol. Get outside might be your last chance.

[KodiakHntr]

2224 confirmed cases in BC today. 5.071 million people in BC.
Or rather, 0.04% of the population has/had it.
Of those, 117 people have died, which is 5.2% of those infected.
Or rather, 0.002% of the provincial population...…

Be careful. Wash your hands. Throat punch the asshole who coughs on you at the grocery store. And go outside and hunt.

[WWBC]

Cops are typically too busy to bother people about things that aren’t enforceable.

[GreyDog]

2224 confirmed cases in BC today. 5.071 million people in BC.
Or rather, 0.04% of the population has/had it.
Of those, 117 people have died, which is 5.2% of those infected.
Or rather, 0.002% of the provincial population...…

Be careful. Wash your hands. Throat punch the asshole who coughs on you at the grocery store. And go outside and hunt.

That sounds like better odds than Russian Roulette. I would imagine the actual number of cases might be as much as double since many are not symptomatic. When I say people should know, I mean people should be given the information. Instead, when Dr. Henry is asked a question, she tap dances. She acts as if she wants the populace to be afraid until she tells them not to. GD

[huntcoop]

...Be careful. Wash your hands. Throat punch the asshole who coughs on you at the grocery store. And go outside and hunt.

That right there is some funny shit :lol:

[russm]

2224 confirmed cases in BC today. 5.071 million people in BC.
Or rather, 0.04% of the population has/had it.
Of those, 117 people have died, which is 5.2% of those infected.
Or rather, 0.002% of the provincial population...…

Be careful. Wash your hands. Throat punch the asshole who coughs on you at the grocery store. And go outside and hunt.

1417 cases recovered, the recovery numbers are always neglected, its always new cases and deaths

[walks with deer]

Hmmm niece was out camping in unmarked and unregulated campground (clean, home made outhouse, pre-cut firewood left for the next group and all). As of late it seems to be the place for her to clear her head and grieve the recent passing of her Dad (Brad RIP) so i have been encouraging her to get out there more. Saturday a CO shows up and gives them a huge hassle for being there. CO cites closure due to inablility to keep public outhouse disinfected (bs). Niece was taught early the principles of a clean camp (Grizz territory) so there is no garbage, sufficient water nearby to douse fire etc... Mature, respectable kid, says ok thanks, packed up and came home. Went over some maps with her Sunday afternoon and cannot find anywhere close to where she was marked as a rec site, no signage of any kind, just a common public camping spot (proximity to mushrooms picking, trail system, used to be a good hunt until forestry levelled it) We managed picked another good spot near water and a little more off the beaten track for her next weekend. Region 8 Just FYI

well she shouldnt have been topless with a cow moose hanging fetus on the rotissire and powder on her nose.

[walks with deer]

soory bad joke on my part but a little funny.

[stinkyduck]

wow, really?

[2chodi]

You are correct about suggested behaviours or guidelines — not following the PHO's "orders" can end up with charges under the Public Health Act and presumably you can be charged under the Parks Act if you are found in a park etc.


The issue is that if people don't follow what you are calling suggested behaviour, the PHO could decide to write a related "order." I don't think we want that to happen.



It is funny how people buy into this suggested behaviour as law.
There is no law saying we can not hunt with others then family. It has not been changed in the Wildlife act nor in common criminal law. The CO's and the RCMP will loose in court if they write a ticket.
The judge has to look at the law not social license.
I would be hunting with who ever you like just be respectful of others you encounter while on your hunt or travelling to and from.

[BriarPatch]

As I understand it the recommendations to stay at home are just that recommendations and as such are unenforceable, with regard to social distancing it may be common sense but any tickets issued could be a different story and may not be enforceable in court.

What are the actual numbers how many have actually died from china virus and how many from other causes, what is the difference between a normal year and this year I suspect that the numbers may alter drastically and be much closer if everything was taken into account. How many of those in homes would have died anyway this year as the average appears to be 18 months to 2 years and how many more will die because their diagnosis or treatment has been postponed?

Before any body starts jumping on me I am taking it seriously and social distancing but I object to being told what to do and when so I will make my own decisions and not trust some doctor who thinks she can control people. Why does she not give out postcodes of infections due to privacy!!!!! what a joke when Vancouver Coastal Health has been monitoring people returning to Canada since January.

If clear and decisive action had been taken back in December/January we would not be in this position now and although we look good against many other places what we have done may not have been the correct course of action.

[KodiakHntr]

1417 cases recovered, the recovery numbers are always neglected, its always new cases and deaths
True enough, I should have added that. The 2224 cases are the total number to date I believe, which counts currently sick, recovered, and dead (as far as I can tell from the info from John Hopkins at any rate).

[KodiakHntr]

well she shouldnt have been topless with a cow moose hanging fetus on the rotissire and powder on her nose.


soory bad joke on my part but a little funny.

Bad joke? I dunno about that. More likely pretty phucking ignorant is the way I take it myself. But that's just me. And probably every other person that reads your post.

[srupp]

Hmm during a worldwide pandemic..rules change..like it or not.provincial health officer is given powers..ie power of law..power of enforcement..for what she thinks is best for BC..
we don't like some of the actions and consequences of her orders..
No one likes BC rec sites closed down..I do know they are being monitored here in the Cariboo. .the closure is not a suggestion it is a provincial order..yup..you can try and challenge it.or disobey it..
I have been pretty much house yard bound..I have been out several times solo checking out upcoming locations for bear hunting..I realize it's not forever..it's for now..realize also pretty reclusive lifestyle we live.lol
I don't go to huge sporting events..concerts..hell I don't even do the shopping..however Susan had N 95 masks before anyone generally knew what they were...scared ? No but genuinely concerned..not by my actions but by others who think opening their nail salon trumps others lives..yes my income has not changed..however our output has..prices are up..medications dispensing fees are effectively tripled..carbon tax has changed our $16 month in actual natural gas use age to $124 bill..sucking it up untill election time .
We are effectively living our lives in this troubled times., what's worse than some restrictions for now..dying forever..
Brighter note Susans car got washed, waxed..shined..so did 27 foot travel trailer, ATV..windows on house..siding..next is truck so it all can get dirty bear hunting..lol..
Sitting out in the forest..in personal travel trailer..going down deactivated trails..roads..looking for bears..drinking coffee and tying flies by Dennis..Riber. .Muscrat " pretty much normal spring..I think rec sites will open after May long weekend.
Srupp

[Beachcomber]

I think the first sunny weekend and Dr Bonny is going to flip her shit - and rightly so. The beaches are already crowded and parks too. Wait til it is 25 and sunny. Despite best efforts to block the parking lots people find a way. I think this coming weekend may shape how aggressive enforcement will be over Victoria Day weekend. I try and avoid the crowds but it will be harder to do as we march towards summer.

[338win mag]

I'm out in the bush everyday, there are more families and kids on motorbikes than I normally see. Lots of people out camping in out of the way spots, enjoying themselves, everyone is keeping their distance it looks like to me....good to see.
I see hunters too, quite a few out bear hunting, CO is out there too.

I thought we were going to hear about a spike 2 weeks after the easter long weekend, I don't think it happened??

[Redthies]

soory bad joke on my part but a little funny.

No, that’s not even a little bit funny. Grow up a little...

[russm86]

Have you ever looked around you and said "why the f**k are they doing that?". Have you watched the news and said WTF?

People DON'T know.......people are idiots.


Do you think these "should know"? They may have been asymptomatic but how many people did they perhaps touch through their travels?

More than 370 workers at a pork plant in Missouri tested positive for coronavirus. All were asymptomatic


https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/04/us/triumph-foods-outbreak-missouri/index.html

Some medical research studies/groups suggest we could have already reached near herd immunity with majority of people being asympotmatic and many having contracted the virus well before our lockdowns which would mean all of these precautions have been a complete waste. Governments have been gagging them from releasing actual numbers though, all they can say is vague things like "a lot more than thought" etc. Doubt the government would ever admit to any of this though, they will just say it was because of our social distancing and lockdown measures.

[russm86]

Hmmm niece was out camping in unmarked and unregulated campground (clean, home made outhouse, pre-cut firewood left for the next group and all). As of late it seems to be the place for her to clear her head and grieve the recent passing of her Dad (Brad RIP) so i have been encouraging her to get out there more. Saturday a CO shows up and gives them a huge hassle for being there. CO cites closure due to inablility to keep public outhouse disinfected (bs). Niece was taught early the principles of a clean camp (Grizz territory) so there is no garbage, sufficient water nearby to douse fire etc... Mature, respectable kid, says ok thanks, packed up and came home. Went over some maps with her Sunday afternoon and cannot find anywhere close to where she was marked as a rec site, no signage of any kind, just a common public camping spot (proximity to mushrooms picking, trail system, used to be a good hunt until forestry levelled it) We managed picked another good spot near water and a little more off the beaten track for her next weekend. Region 8 Just FYI

Strange, I've seen people camped all over the dang place in region 3, more than I ever have before...

[russm86]

As I understand it the recommendations to stay at home are just that recommendations and as such are unenforceable, with regard to social distancing it may be common sense but any tickets issued could be a different story and may not be enforceable in court.

What are the actual numbers how many have actually died from china virus and how many from other causes, what is the difference between a normal year and this year I suspect that the numbers may alter drastically and be much closer if everything was taken into account. How many of those in homes would have died anyway this year as the average appears to be 18 months to 2 years and how many more will die because their diagnosis or treatment has been postponed?

Before any body starts jumping on me I am taking it seriously and social distancing but I object to being told what to do and when so I will make my own decisions and not trust some doctor who thinks she can control people. Why does she not give out postcodes of infections due to privacy!!!!! what a joke when Vancouver Coastal Health has been monitoring people returning to Canada since January.

If clear and decisive action had been taken back in December/January we would not be in this position now and although we look good against many other places what we have done may not have been the correct course of action.

Some lawyers are saying that even the $5.8million in fines handed out back east may all be invalid since they didn't change time constraints on them to allow for challenges and due process in court as the courts are all closed.

[warbird2006]

My first question is, WTF are you doing watching CNN?

The people in the pork plants are refugees, new emigrants, all living in small apartments. Same like south Calgary pork plants or PoCo poultry plant.





Have you ever looked around you and said "why the f**k are they doing that?". Have you watched the news and said WTF?

People DON'T know.......people are idiots.


Do you think these "should know"? They may have been asymptomatic but how many people did they perhaps touch through their travels?

More than 370 workers at a pork plant in Missouri tested positive for coronavirus. All were asymptomatic


https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/04/us/triumph-foods-outbreak-missouri/index.html

[MB_Boy]

My first question is, WTF are you doing watching CNN?
.

I read plenty of news sites to form an opinion on various topics.

[Yuritau]

Good on ya! You stay home and wait for a decision, I’m going hunting away from other folks with no plans to interact with others any more than I do now at home.

At what point did whether or not I leave the house ever enter relevance to what I said?

[Yuritau]

Your waiting to find out if you forever have to live in a bubble...think about it..if what you say is true..no immunity...how are you going to live..or why would you want to??? Lol. Get outside might be your last chance.

Are you being deliberately obtuse now?

[Iron Glove]

Some medical research studies/groups suggest we could have already reached near herd immunity with majority of people being asympotmatic and many having contracted the virus well before our lockdowns which would mean all of these precautions have been a complete waste. Governments have been gagging them from releasing actual numbers though, all they can say is vague things like "a lot more than thought" etc. Doubt the government would ever admit to any of this though, they will just say it was because of our social distancing and lockdown measures.

Not disputing that "some medical …….suggest …….." but if that was a realistic result of any credible research I doubt that you'd be seeing many big Biotechs gearing up to spend millions of $$ on developing cures and such. Biotechs tend not to want to waste their shareholders funds.

[BeastX]

Kidding me? All COs are shitty, period.

[wideopenthrottle]

Was out on Saturday with my Daughter, RCMP were in the area looking for someone. They asked if I had seen an activity in the area and told us to have fun! Was a very pleasant interaction.
are they looking for that couple whose red camper truck was stolen by guy who had it killed himself when the cops tried to arrest him?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/april-parisian-search-continues-1.5550255

this was the story I was referring to...looks like it was updated to reflect only the woman was missing and the guy who killed himself was the "missing" boyfriend

[chinook150]

When will cars be banned??? Those killed 300 ppl last year (3xcovid). Time to ban driving and shame ppl for not using transit.