Tuchodi 7-50 Harvest Data [Moose/Elk/Sheep]

[chinook150]

HUNT
YEAR
SPECIES
RESIDENT
HUNTERS
RESIDENT
KILLS
Success


2018
MOOS
130
27
21%


2017
MOOS
215
28
13%


2016
MOOS
233
29
12%


2015
MOOS
264
74
28%


2014
MOOS
178
37
21%


2013
MOOS
307
54
18%


2012
MOOS
193
31
16%


2011
MOOS
221
36
16%


2010
MOOS
165
15
9%


2009
MOOS
218
47
22%


2008
MOOS
211
49
23%


2007
MOOS
184
21
11%


2006
MOOS
178
17
10%


2005
MOOS
156
38
24%


2004
MOOS
136
46
34%


2003
MOOS
249
55
22%


2002
MOOS
254
75
30%


2001
MOOS
316
74
23%


2000
MOOS
246
54
22%


1999
MOOS
323
74
23%


1998
MOOS
289
77
27%


1997
MOOS
281
71
25%


1996
MOOS
259
70
27%


1995
MOOS
349
139
40%


1994
MOOS
321
113
35%


1993
MOOS
331
111
34%


1992
MOOS
261
94
36%


1991
MOOS
228
91
40%


1990
MOOS
190
58
31%


1989
MOOS
207
125
60%


1988
MOOS
231
131
57%


1987
MOOS
271
175
65%


1986
MOOS
224
122
54%





HUNT
YEAR
SPECIES
RESIDENT
HUNTERS
RESIDENT
KILLS
Success


2018
ELK
282
54
19%


2017
ELK
313
61
19%


2016
ELK
394
97
25%


2015
ELK
430
155
36%


2014
ELK
380
109
29%


2013
ELK
510
176
35%


2012
ELK
451
198
44%


2011
ELK
536
219
41%


2010
ELK
456
212
46%


2009
ELK
565
243
43%


2008
ELK
537
258
48%


2007
ELK
566
274
48%


2006
ELK
569
296
52%


2005
ELK
514
251
49%


2004
ELK
327
129
39%


2003
ELK
649
311
48%


2002
ELK
627
264
42%


2001
ELK
718
318
44%


2000
ELK
613
241
39%


1999
ELK
707
198
28%


1998
ELK
696
308
44%


1997
ELK
605
261
43%


1996
ELK
573
193
34%


1995
ELK
677
269
40%


1994
ELK
595
253
43%


1993
ELK
528
231
44%


1992
ELK
488
221
45%


1991
ELK
410
181
44%


1990
ELK
332
145
44%


1989
ELK
295
90
31%


1988
ELK
299
128
43%


1987
ELK
309
71
23%


1986
ELK
316
121
38%





HUNT
YEAR
SPECIES
RESIDENT
HUNTERS
RESIDENT
KILLS
Success


2018
SHEE
226
46
20%


2017
SHEE
204
43
21%


2016
SHEE
226
41
18%


2015
SHEE
185
27
15%


2014
SHEE
167
28
17%


2013
SHEE
211
36
17%


2012
SHEE
147
43
29%


2011
SHEE
180
32
18%


2010
SHEE
162
31
19%


2009
SHEE
145
20
14%


2008
SHEE
156
34
22%


2007
SHEE
141
25
18%


2006
SHEE
127
25
20%


2005
SHEE
125
23
18%


2004
SHEE
93
14
15%


2003
SHEE
121
13
11%


2002
SHEE
159
30
19%


2001
SHEE
165
27
16%


2000
SHEE
137
18
13%


1999
SHEE
176
28
16%


1998
SHEE
185
44
24%


1997
SHEE
117
13
11%


1996
SHEE
118
22
19%


1995
SHEE
179
35
20%


1994
SHEE
134
19
14%


1993
SHEE
143
40
28%


1992
SHEE
163
39
24%


1991
SHEE
126
27
21%


1990
SHEE
125
53
42%


1989
SHEE
150
53
35%


1988
SHEE
115
46
40%


1987
SHEE
123
29
24%


1986
SHEE
129
42
33%

[chinook150]

Above is some publicly available information / harvest data from 7-50 Tuchodi. Below is a summary of the trends:

1. Sheet Appear plentiful, lots of animals taken at decent success rates (I saw similar data for goats)
2. Elk and Moose are in trouble, (Elk more than Moose). There has been a recent decline in the number of games harvested, as well as the number of hunters in the area. On the bright side, success rates are down, but not by as much as the decline in kills

Just curious on peoples thoughts on the following questions:

1. Are wolves to blame for the pop decline in Moose / Elk? This is my guess, but then sheep seem unaffected
2. How reliable is the BC Gov data / self reported surveys? My guess is kills are accurate, but people "participating" is more subjective as some people target multiple species.
3. Do you believe that LESS people are hunting 7-50 now than 5 years ago?
4. If you had a crystal ball how do you think 2019 was and what are your 2020 predictions?

I am happy to run the report above for other MUs and species that are of interest. I will send over PM. I did the analysis above in preparation for a trip this fall.

[eatram]

Is this for the entire 7:50 or just the River and lake? Seems like the antlerless elk season has killed off a lot of elk

[boxhitch]

'On the bright side, success rates are down, but not by as much as the decline in kills' ???

less hunters, less kills, but the success ratio is what tells a story

What problem? Moose SR is similar to 5 and 10 years ago

[butthead]

i think the wolfs are a large part of the problem.
seen wolfs where i hunt wt and theres no wt left
at all in that area. i used to trip over them
now nothing cant explain it but like that every where
i hunt now hardly see a thing these days.

[Jrax]

I think grizzlies are a major concern as well. We counted 13 different griz hunting up the prophet this year, thats an average of 1.3 griz per day - that must impact calving. We saw healthy wolf sign as well and shot 1 of 2 that we saw. Interestingly enough sheep and goats seemed plentiful.

[chinook150]

All of 7-50

[chinook150]

I have kills broken down by sex. Tomorrow I will respond with data. This data will show if cow elk LEH is the cause of elk drop in success rate. My guess is that you hit the nail on the head.

Moose success rates have barely changed over last 5-10 years (or less than Elk). Thus most of the problem, is cow killing, wolves and grizz pop could hurt as well but clearly not as much as cow killing.

[chinook150]

Is this for the entire 7:50 or just the River and lake? Seems like the antlerless elk season has killed off a lot of elk

All of 750.

I have kills broken down by sex. Tomorrow I will respond with data. This data will show if cow elk LEH is the cause of elk drop in success rate. My guess is that you hit the nail on the head.

Moose success rates have barely changed over last 5-10 years (or less than Elk). Thus most of the problem, is cow killing, wolves and grizz pop could hurt as well but clearly not as much as cow killing.

[skruse]

Is this for the entire 7:50 or just the River and lake? Seems like the antlerless elk season has killed off a lot of elk

I agree with this

[jac]

I agree with this

also agree antlerless season has cause problems all over the province.

[chinook150]

any idea bow 2019 went or 2020 prediction?

[Husky7mm]

Everywhere that an antlerless season or uncontrolled female harvest has happened there has been a large population decline. It just keep repeating. The second factor is the population estimates are bunk based on flawed unsighted correctability models that keep being used because they don’t want to admit they’re junk. Garbage in garbage out.....

[chinook150]

keep the requests for species and wmu's coming.

[Rampager]

any idea bow 2019 went or 2020 prediction?

I hear both of the last two winters 2018/2019 and 2019/2020 were pretty good so there shouldn't be any big concern for winter die off. There has been an effort to reduce the wolf population in recent years so I can't see 2020 being worse than the past few years.

[Rampager]

Above is some publicly available information / harvest data from 7-50 Tuchodi. Below is a summary of the trends:

1. Sheet Appear plentiful, lots of animals taken at decent success rates (I saw similar data for goats)
2. Elk and Moose are in trouble, (Elk more than Moose). There has been a recent decline in the number of games harvested, as well as the number of hunters in the area. On the bright side, success rates are down, but not by as much as the decline in kills

Just curious on peoples thoughts on the following questions:

1. Are wolves to blame for the pop decline in Moose / Elk? This is my guess, but then sheep seem unaffected
2. How reliable is the BC Gov data / self reported surveys? My guess is kills are accurate, but people "participating" is more subjective as some people target multiple species.
3. Do you believe that LESS people are hunting 7-50 now than 5 years ago?
4. If you had a crystal ball how do you think 2019 was and what are your 2020 predictions?

I am happy to run the report above for other MUs and species that are of interest. I will send over PM. I did the analysis above in preparation for a trip this fall.

Here's my take on your questions:
1. Yes wolves are certainly a factor in the recent decade, anecdotally at least. You touched on cow elk LEH already, FYI 2016 was the first year of the LEH which coincides with the big drop in harvest numbers. Regarding sheep they are able to hide and escape from wolves much easier than elk and moose so aren't a wolf's primary prey.
2. I'm sure the data is only as good as the information hunters supply. I agree with what you say r.e. it being subjective. Just because I go hunting with tags for a bunch of different species in my pocket doesn't mean I specifically hunting them all. This is especially true in Tuchodi where there are elk, moose, sheep, goats, caribou, black bear, etc. Speaking for myself I only report the species that I am targeting on any given day.
3. No, probably more if anything. Biologist Bill Jex said the same thing at the 2019 sheep show.
4. See my above post r.e. a few recent factors.

[2chodi]

HUNT
YEAR
SPECIES
RESIDENT
HUNTERS
RESIDENT
DAYS
RESIDENT
KILLS
Bulls
Cows


1986
ELK
316
3201
121
120
1


1987
ELK
309
2831
71
71
0


1988
ELK
299
2707
128
128
0


1989
ELK
295
2595
90
90
0


1990
ELK
332
2785
145
145
0


1991
ELK
410
2914
181
181
0


1992
ELK
488
3484
221
221
0


1993
ELK
528
3716
231
231
0


1994
ELK
595
4410
253
240
13


1995
ELK
677
5283
269
247
19


1996
ELK
573
4260
193
181
12


1997
ELK
605
4472
261
227
31


1998
ELK
696
5304
308
256
46


1999
ELK
707
5442
198
149
40


2000
ELK
613
4661
241
198
41


2001
ELK
718
6111
318
267
48


2002
ELK
627
4803
264
209
55


2003
ELK
649
4946
311
277
31


2004
ELK
327
2477
129
111
17


2005
ELK
514
3960
251
221
30


2006
ELK
569
4207
296
201
89


2007
ELK
566
4372
274
159
101


2008
ELK
537
4370
258
152
98


2009
ELK
565
4272
243
129
112


2010
ELK
456
3360
212
123
89


2011
ELK
536
4289
219
116
101


2012
ELK
451
3448
198
109
87


2013
ELK
510
3785
176
77
97


2014
ELK
380
3337
109
60
49


2015
ELK
430
3489
155
79
68


2016
ELK
394
3291
97
90
4


2017
ELK
313
2718
61
45
15


2018
ELK
282
2616
54
45
9

[Rampager]

HUNT
YEAR
SPECIES
RESIDENT
HUNTERS
RESIDENT
DAYS
RESIDENT
KILLS
Bulls
Cows











2010
ELK
456
3360
212
123
89


2011
ELK
536
4289
219
116
101


2012
ELK
451
3448
198
109
87


2013
ELK
510
3785
176
77
97


2014
ELK
380
3337
109
60
49


2015
ELK
430
3489
155
79
68


2016
ELK
394
3291
97
90
4


2017
ELK
313
2718
61
45
15


2018
ELK
282
2616
54
45
9




Those cow harvest numbers must be way off with 100ish tags up for grabs each year?? Unless most of the LEH winners didn't actually hunt the area. Maybe I'm naive to how many animals are generally harvested relative to the number of LEH authorizations given.

We had one dead to rights last year but no LEH :(

[ryanb]

Keep in mind most LEH antlerless tag holders for an area like the Tuchodi are going to primarily target a bull before they consider shooting a cow.