Do not hunt Moose areas declared

[358mag]

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/sports-recreation-arts-and-culture/outdoor-recreation/fishing-and-hunting/hunting/fn_declared_hunt_bans_sept_12_2018.pdf

[rageous]

Gimme gimme gimme

[butcher]

Seems reasonable.

[HighCountryBC]

Sunny ways my friend.

[junkyard_g]

2018. Most of these areas they made statements but made no attempt at trying to enforce.

[dakoda62]

They can pound sand.

[Islandeer]

Are we sick of this bullshit yet??

No end,open ended, never reconciled, might as well say what you want, they will never stop the blame/shame game.
Pushback time.

[plumbcrazy]

Bring in the war! I didn’t realize in Canada we have to fight more than once for the land WE ALL own!

[Pioneerman]

Small group gets half the province BS. They can have rights and hunt traditional ways, but that does not include roads we built with our tax money they do not all pay. Fair is fair. Maybe give them a extra couple weeks or no antler restriction, but these things need to be monitored for all concerned. It is really sad what some groups get away with

[REMINGTON JIM]

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/sports-recreation-arts-and-culture/outdoor-recreation/fishing-and-hunting/hunting/fn_declared_hunt_bans_sept_12_2018.pdf

They should just PHUCK Off ! :mad: RJ

[338win mag]

Greed, a very traditional trait.

[RyoTHC]

Going to go out of my way to hunt these areas this season, my family has been here since Canada’s inception, it’s my traditional right.

[JAYDEE]

I will hunt anywhere the regulations say I can hunt.

[srupp]

Hmmm they can eat the peanuts out of my poop.
Notice areas to the east of Williams Lake..areas indians thought were evil areas..not to be trespassed upon..not reserves. .no claims UNTIL that 3 % demanded 130 % of ALL of BC..and then some grrrrr.
There have been attempts to " salt " the area to only then discover it was in fact used..and a very sacred area..complete bullshyte.
Hmm entire cariboo off limits.
Blocking the sheep creek bridge might keep them from their traditional liquor store. .and bingo halls and now maryjuana stores..4 we have in the cesspool.
Pissed.

[Springer]

There should be a Like Button to all these comments.
Why does this Just happen in BC. Give Give Give to The Indians ? People that work and contribute to the infrastructure of BC and pay Taxes to the province should have first rights to the land and hunt it. They have their reserve land to hunt on but they want more !! They can Block Roads and rail lines and get away with it. Protest pipelines , meanwhile holding up their signs and owning items made of petroleum products ....What a Bunch of BS.

[Muliechaser]

I will hunt anywhere the regulations say I can hunt.

You bet !!!

[Muliechaser]

The bc government should issue a ban on hunting for them . This is out of controll

[338win mag]

There should be a Like Button to all these comments.
Why does this Just happen in BC. Give Give Give to The Indians ? People that work and contribute to the infrastructure of BC and pay Taxes to the province should have first rights to the land and hunt it. They have their reserve land to hunt on but they want more !! They can Block Roads and rail lines and get away with it. Protest pipelines , meanwhile holding up their signs and owning items made of petroleum products ....What a Bunch of BS.
Good question, its just starting here, its going to spread to the rest of Canada, one piece at a time. The FN everywhere else won't be happy with the treaties that provide ammo and tobacco, they are going to want a similar deal, and actually the treaties that have been laid out for our perusal have a clause that says... if the other bands get this... then we want to open our treaty up so we get the same, so the goal posts will move constantly.
Pay attention to the term "traditional territory" your going to hear it alot more. Normalizing a term that never existed before until Canada decided it wanted to go full out Socialist, which is exactly what we have here, the relationship between FN and Canada is based entirely on Socialism...

[tigrr]

Why are the lieberals letting this happen. To get votes to stay in power?
Most people in the lower mainland don't even know this is going on. To them the province doesn't exit past hope. One day I hope the indian welfare is cut off and they have to work to contribute to the well being of the province/country. Oh what a dream. Why are we still paying for something that happened back in the 1800's? They shot 5 cow moose between horsefly and Williams lake this fall. And 2 cow elk. Wonder how much of it ended up being sold to someone. Taxes going up to pay for all this from the overtaxed middle class.
They don't want just the land they also want 6 or 7 million a year to manage it. As the chiefs and councillors all drive around in BMW's and Audi's. The WL band just bought the local sawmill with our tax dollars. Expect it to be shut down the first year.

[Piperdown]

Complete bullshit, so now they are telling me i can't hunt on my own property as i see the area in 6-04 is where my cabin is. I imagine ole POS Joe the indian Peacock is behind this.

[limit time]

So much for jet boat hunting...

quadrakuck must be happy as can be about the “ closures “

[338win mag]

Our Commie's are absent, they are protesting.

[Arctic Lake]

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/sports-recreation-arts-and-culture/outdoor-recreation/fishing-and-hunting/hunting/fn_declared_hunt_bans_sept_12_2018.pdf
Is there a written document to accompany this graphic ? What is this part of ? Because I’m NOT HAPPY !
Arctic Lake

[BRvalley]

as mentioned, there was virtually no enforcement last season

but I think the FN are posturing up their intentions for the south peace region in that map, which overlaps with the 'area of critical community interest'...don't hunt the other areas, so not too informed on what is going on in there

the writing was on the wall with the Site C negotiations, the restrictions to moose hunting in 7-32/1 of the Peace Moberly Tract was just the start of it

"...The Panel also recommends that the Province and affected First Nations enter discussions on theArea of Critical Community Interest..."

http://nprg.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Peace-Moberly-Tract-Regulation-Proposals.pdf


The ACCI and PMT are on page 118 below:

https://www.bcuc.com/Documents/wp-content/09/DOC_90101_F85-1_Chapman-D_Site-C-Submission.pdf

[browningboy]

What would be really refreshing is to have a massive protest made up of hard working canadians, just start showing enough of the protests, hunting bans, specialty treatment etc.. The small voice is winning, we are fuqqued

[MichelD]

That's a post from 2018.

I heard of nothing similar in 2019.

I had a draw in 5-15 in 2018 and except for a FN person participating in a fish count or something at the river in Likely I never saw any presence.


If could ever hit what I shoot at I might have got a moose too.

[Camomutt]

"Who's running the government?"

[Hunterguy]

The natives would like to thank all HBC people who donated to the wolf cull for hard working trappers to thin the wolves down so they can now have more moose to kill.

[Bigdoggdon]

Sorry, bit of confusion here. So is it the BC Government saying that there is no moose hunting in these areas or is it just the FN saying they are banning hunting?

[whitlers]

Screw these nut jobs. I'll hunt where I want too. Equal opportunity.

[Springer]

I totally agree tigrr. Their acts on Roadblocks and dictating about who can hunt Moose or not is ridiculous. It causes further racial division. I heard of a roadblock in the kootenays years ago, but it was squatters trying to block the rednecks access to the backcountry to hunt. So the Rednecks made a Roadblock so they couldn't go back into town...sounds fair .

[BRvalley]

Sorry, bit of confusion here. So is it the BC Government saying that there is no moose hunting in these areas or is it just the FN saying they are banning hunting?

BC gov't has produced a map, showing the areas where FN have declared no moose hunting for non-natives....but the ban is not legal per BC gov't and not enforced by gov't or FN (might have been road blockades back in 2018?), this is a couple years old now, didn't hear much about it this past season

[Piperdown]

So much for jet boat hunting...

quadrakuck must be happy as can be about the “ closures “

He's to busy camping out at the legislature at the moment.

[Stone C. Killer]

I believe this is what they were asking for when all the fires were happening ?

[Islandeer]

The native folks need also to state openly their intent to hunt both sexes of any age, snowmobiles will be the traditional mode of transport of course. Likely burn traditional fossil too in their moose sleds. Pretty funny stuff, the more they do, the more ridicules it becomes. At least to me, Canadian, also a traditional hunter and fisher, and hoping that more Canadians wake up to this so called movement by native Indians.

[HarryToolips]

They can pound sand.
This is what we all have to say.....

[HarryToolips]

BC gov't has produced a map, showing the areas where FN have declared no moose hunting for non-natives....but the ban is not legal per BC gov't and not enforced by gov't or FN (might have been road blockades back in 2018?), this is a couple years old now, didn't hear much about it this past season
And this is it......I guess most of them must not work, just suck off the govt tit if they have all that time for blockades..,

[Walksalot]

It will be interesting to see how the LEH regulations will read this year pertaining authorizations for LEH moose in those areas.

[limit time]

But hey! We need to ban crossbow scopes!!!!!

[Piperdown]

limit time your avatar is priceless...lol

[Jagermeister]

What is ironic about the area to the east of Quesnel is that there is a legendary taboo for Indians, Shuswap (Salish) and Carrier (Athapaskan/Dene) and no doubt the Chilcotin as well.
The Indians around Quesnel and northward are Carriers while those to the south are Shuswap. Although these tribes were enemies, there were instances where they cooperated in waging war with the Chilcotin. One of the more notable battle grounds was west of Alexis Creek at a place referred to as Battle Canyon.
The cursed area extends from just slightly east of Quesnel all the way out to the highlands east of Bowron Provincial Park, not sure where the latitude is. It is a self imposed no go zone. The legend was something to the effect that harm and mayhem will beset them beyond Dragon Lake. It primarily covers all FN in central BC.
I believe the curse to be true as I witnessed an instance of bad luck to some locals early one morning on the north side of Dragon Lake. These were locals that were at the boat launch around 5 AM and drove off northward on Quesnel Hydraulic Road entering into the ditch east of Tatchell Road. The car popped out of the ditch at Tatchell sliding on it's roof for another 100' before ending up in the opposite side ditch and down a 20-30' embankment. I heard the car go by my place and I left for work about 20-25 minutes later. Emergency crews were there but no one seemed in too much of a hurry. In the 14 years that I lived there it was the only time that I knew of any locals to go to the east side of the lake.
I read a compilation of David Thompson travels long while back and it did mention some Indians in 1808 on some islands on Spectacle Lake and the outflow area at Bowron Lake, but there are no further references in time after that of Indian occupation.
The following will shed a little light on the subject.

https://www.for.gov.bc.ca/hfd/library/documents/bib82628.pdf

[puddlejumper]

What is ironic about the area to the east of Quesnel is that there is a legendary taboo for Indians, Shuswap (Salish) and Carrier (Athapaskan/Dene) and no doubt the Chilcotin as well.
The Indians around Quesnel and northward are Carriers while those to the south are Shuswap. Although these tribes were enemies, there were instances where they cooperated in waging war with the Chilcotin. One of the more notable battle grounds was west of Alexis Creek at a place referred to as Battle Canyon.
The cursed area extends from just slightly east of Quesnel all the way out to the highlands east of Bowron Provincial Park, not sure where the latitude is. It is a self imposed no go zone. The legend was something to the effect that harm and mayhem will beset them beyond Dragon Lake. It primarily covers all FN in central BC.
I believe the curse to be true as I witnessed an instance of bad luck to some locals early one morning on the north side of Dragon Lake. These were locals that were at the boat launch around 5 AM and drove off northward on Quesnel Hydraulic Road entering into the ditch east of Tatchell Road. The car popped out of the ditch at Tatchell sliding on it's roof for another 100' before ending up in the opposite side ditch and down a 20-30' embankment. I heard the car go by my place and I left for work about 20-25 minutes later. Emergency crews were there but no one seemed in too much of a hurry. In the 14 years that I lived there it was the only time that I knew of any locals to go to the east side of the lake.
I read a compilation of David Thompson travels long while back and it did mention some Indians in 1808 on some islands on Spectacle Lake and the outflow area at Bowron Lake, but there are no further references in time after that of Indian occupation.
The following will shed a little light on the subject.

https://www.for.gov.bc.ca/hfd/library/documents/bib82628.pdf

Jagermeister, if the above is your interpretation of the document you quote, we are in big trouble and largely explains the bs that is spewed on this forum!

[WhiteTailAB]

We live in a clown world. One day we will have to take matters into our own hands and just hunt like the Indians do. Equality for all.

[srupp]

Jagermeister, if the above is your interpretation of the document you quote, we are in big trouble and largely explains the bs that is spewed on this forum!

Hammer puddlejumper..his information is accurate. Worked and have spent over 35 years in that area...no rezerves,no historic settlements of indian origin...no Indian written documentation. ..talking with local natives...no Indians were present in caribou highlands..quesnel lake..
If YOU think it BS YOU move along..nothing to see here.
Steven Rupp
Williams Lake

[HappyJack]

Hammer puddlejumper..his information is accurate. Worked and have spent over 35 years in that area...no rezerves,no historic settlements of indian origin...no Indian written documentation. ..talking with local natives...no Indians were present in caribou highlands..quesnel lake..
If YOU think it BS YOU move along..nothing to see here.
Steven Rupp
Williams Lake

Odd, I've heard of people finding arrow heads along the shore of the north arm????

[srupp]

Hmm yes I am sure they have..lots of attempts to salt the area with historical artifacts..however you cant argue history.
Travelled the area extensively. .lots of interactions with Shelly Nichols...who spent 45 years in the area..Betty Franks..over 40 years....neither had ever even heard of anything but indians did not travel in the area at all...no camps..no trails no sites...
Its only important now when desiring complete closure of the area and ultimately claim the area for indian ownership.
Cheers
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[puddlejumper]

Hmm yes I am sure they have..lots of attempts to salt the area with historical artifacts..however you cant argue history.
Travelled the area extensively. .lots of interactions with Shelly Nichols...who spent 45 years in the area..Betty Franks..over 40 years....neither had ever even heard of anything but indians did not travel in the area at all...no camps..no trails no sites...
Its only important now when desiring complete closure of the area and ultimately claim the area for indian ownership.
Cheers
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SRUPP you did read the report didn't you? I have personally witnessed the remnants of permanent campsites around Quesnel Lake, trails leading east and CMT's. Glad to see you pulled yourself away from the bottle long enough to continue to illustrate you don't have a clue about what you are talking about. :idea:

[Jagermeister]

SRUPP you did read the report didn't you? I have personally witnessed the remnants of permanent campsites around Quesnel Lake, trails leading east and CMT's. Glad to see you pulled yourself away from the bottle long enough to continue to illustrate you don't have a clue about what you are talking about. :idea:
Since it has been over 200 years since the arrival of Europeans into central BC, it would be safe to say that those campsites, trails and CMTs that you have personally witnessed might just be the remnants of explorers, traders and miners and not from those that you think. It is always easy to assume all artifacts are FN but given the length of time since European arrival, it can only be case specific. A recent example of this was a burial found just to the east of Monte Creek/Hwy 1 junction. The result of Hwy 1 four lane improvement. The clamor was that these bones were of FN, but somehow a DNA profile was obtained and it was found to be the bones of a Chinese railroad worker and not that of First Nations. The next set a short distance to the east did not receive the DNA profiling because of some sacred bullshit. In other words, FN's are afraid that should a DNA test not show an Indian profile, their claim to be first would be in jeopardy.
In light of the aforementioned, I am beginning to suspect that the historical writings of Thompson, Fraser, Mackenzie and other explorers is being subtly (in a clever and indirect way, in order to achieve something.) altered to create deceptive illusions from what they actually wrote.

[Downwindtracker2]

Can we hunt poachers, I hear they taste like pork. Fried Green Tomatoes .

[wildcatter]

SRUPP you did read the report didn't you? I have personally witnessed the remnants of permanent campsites around Quesnel Lake, trails leading east and CMT's. Glad to see you pulled yourself away from the bottle long enough to continue to illustrate you don't have a clue about what you are talking about. :idea:

And how do you know for certain that those so called "permanent campsites" were made by Indians?
Just as Jagermeister said, could be Chinese, white people from the gold rush times, or early settlers.

[Walksalot]

Does anyone know the rational behind the FN wanting to ban hunting in those areas? Is it because the population numbers have plummeted? Does the ban include FN also?

[MichelD]

Does anyone know the rational behind the FN wanting to ban hunting in those areas? Is it because the population numbers have plummeted? Does the ban include FN also?


It was in the news in July 2018.
https://www.columbiavalleypioneer.com/news/b-c-first-nations-move-to-ban-non-native-moose-hunting-in-chilcotin/

Then there was this in September 2018.

https://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/news/local-news/first-nations-groups-initiate-moose-hunting-ban-1.23422970



I had a draw with two other guys in 5-15 and one of our guys dropped out because of this.

We never saw a FN person at all where we were hunting east of Barkerville.

[vladthepes]

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/sports-recreation-arts-and-culture/outdoor-recreation/fishing-and-hunting/hunting/fn_declared_hunt_bans_sept_12_2018.pdf
Why don't we give them the whole province and see how they fare? They would probably run it into the ground like Zimbabwe! :)

[wildcatter]

That would be a pretty good possibility!
But no, they not gonna get it I can assure you.

[wildcatter]

This was emailed to me, posted by a guy goes by the name of Wun Feather on facebook.
I don't do facebook so I can't go there. I like his way of thinking.

http://www.huntingbc.ca/photos/data/500/2_wolves_422x750_.jpg
This post is gonna hurt some feelings.
I am good with that.
I am totally tired of people who say stupid things like "Give us back our land".
Like seriously.
I like to look them in the eyes and say:
"Ok. If you had your land back, what would you do with it?"
I will wait for the answer.
Have you ever taken the time to use google maps and look at the huge tracts of Federal land that are not being used for any purpose at all?
No one is trapping any beavers on the land.
No one is hunting wolves or coyotes, or any other fur bearing animal on that land.
Very rarely do you ever see anyone hunting anymore.
If we compare that land to the land owned by the Hutterite Colonies, you would shit yourself if you saw what they are doing on their land.
They have hay and oats and barley and grain, and they run large herds of livestock and flocks of domestic geese and chickens.
Well, ever since I was 18, I have owned my own home.
Seriously!
I bought my first mobile home in Fraser Lake BC and darn it all, it was mine.
Nobody gave it to me.
I never held my hand out for it like a pet monkey in a zoo.
I earned it.
And I have never, ever, EVER been without at least one house on land ever since that day.
I guess you could say that I am the kind of Indian who just goes to work every day, and buys my own piece of land with the money I earn at my job.
I have every single right that anyone else in Canada has.
Oh.
But because I am a status Indian, (I am non Treaty.) That means even though I am Status, I am not bound by any treaty agreements or obligations.
I have WAY more rights than most Canadians.
Firstly, I have the right to be free.
I have the right to become educated if I want to.
I have the right to freedom of speech, and I have the right to every single privilege that any other Canadian has.
But that is not where it ends!
I can hunt and fish and trap and do significantly more than all my non Indigenous friends do.
No one has ever stopped me from trapping animals for subsistence on crown land.
No one has ever stopped me from hunting for subsistence on crown land.
No one has ever stopped me from gathering medicines, plants, fungi, berries or roots for traditional or ceremonial purposes.
So if I can do all those things like my ancestors did before me, why would I want to have that land back??
Isn't it actually already mine to use anyway??
Only, unlike the land that I have bought for myself over the years, I do not have the burden of paying property taxes on the land where I harvest my moose.
I just drive out there, walk a few miles along a river amongst the red willows, and when I see a bull moose, (I don't take cows because they make baby moose), I decide if it is the right one for the freezer.
Here I am with a couple of wolves in this photo.
I can use the meat, skin and tan the hide, and I can use the fur to make a nice blanket or for the top of my moccasins.
Yep. I still have those too!
You will never hear me say that you owe me any land.
As Canadians you have already given me the most important things.
And that is the freedom to carry on my Indigenous culture and traditions on Crown Land.
I don't want my land back.
I already have purchased my own, and I have the rest of the Canadian Boreal forest to do anything else I want to do.
Thank you Canada.
That is more than enough for me.
Oh. Just one more thing.
Thanks for not standing in my way when I go to work each day.
That would really suck if you did that.
And I promise not to stand in your way either.
That's what us real Indians call "A GOOD TRADE"

[Walksalot]

It was in the news in July 2018.
https://www.columbiavalleypioneer.com/news/b-c-first-nations-move-to-ban-non-native-moose-hunting-in-chilcotin/

Then there was this in September 2018.

https://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/news/local-news/first-nations-groups-initiate-moose-hunting-ban-1.23422970



I had a draw with two other guys in 5-15 and one of our guys dropped out because of this.

We never saw a FN person at all where we were hunting east of Barkerville.

Thanks MichelD, muchly appreciated.

[Walksalot]

Without question the massive burn like the Elephant Hill fire destroyed a food supply for many species of animals but, it is short term pain for long term gain and if handled correctly the enhancement of habitat will end in a strong return of all animal species. I don't like the word "ban" because it screams "no more" and that can be a tough scenario to, once animal populations rebound, reverse.

[IronNoggin]

.... Glad to see you pulled yourself away from the bottle long enough to continue to illustrate you don't have a clue about what you are talking about. :idea:

Two Words. You, with your obviously limited intellect, might be able to figure out just what they are...

And yeah, I REALLY mean that. :evil:

Nog

[puddlejumper]

And how do you know for certain that those so called "permanent campsites" were made by Indians?
Just as Jagermeister said, could be Chinese, white people from the gold rush times, or early settlers.

I was there with an archeologist who was examining and testing the site for exactly what Jagermeister had alluded to and the tests turned up more than enough evidence in the pits. The trees with CMTs along the trails were bored for aging and predated chinese, gold rush and early settler time of arrival.

Just an FYI, I normally just read the interesting hunting stories and don't make many comments, but when i see opportunity to shed some additional light on a subject so that we can all make more informed decisions or conclusions I will take that opportunity. IMO we should all be proud of the unique and rich history we have here in BC and not damn it to suit our purpose. Yes there are many issues to address and the government needs to get off their ass and figure it out so there is certainty for everyone.

[srupp]

I was there with an archeologist who was examining and testing the site for exactly what Jagermeister had alluded to and the tests turned up more than enough evidence in the pits. The trees with CMTs along the trails were bored for aging and predated chinese, gold rush and early settler time of arrival.

Just an FYI, I normally just read the interesting hunting stories and don't make many comments, but when i see opportunity to shed some additional light on a subject so that we can all make more informed decisions or conclusions I will take that opportunity. IMO we should all be proud of the unique and rich history we have here in BC and not damn it to suit our purpose. Yes there are many issues to address and the government needs to get off their ass and figure it out so there is certainty for everyone.
hmm dont drink..and I speak truth...however I call bullshit on your allegations..no way indians spent anytime in that area...no matter how bad ewe want it to be so..
The crews that actually did the archeological scoutings found nothing ever..even knew the pilot who refused to fly in the indians wanting to salt certain areas..why salt if proof exists..
Seriously ?
Srupp

[puddlejumper]

hmm dont drink..and I speak truth...however I call bullshit on your allegations..no way indians spent anytime in that area...no matter how bad ewe want it to be so..
The crews that actually did the archeological scoutings found nothing ever..even knew the pilot who refused to fly in the indians wanting to salt certain areas..why salt if proof exists..
Seriously ?
Srupp

Well I have been known to be wrong, so I apologize that I accused you of drinking, there must be a deeper explanation for your ignorance. There were no allegations, just fact and additional information as mentioned, based on a modern day eyewitness account. You can call it what you want, believe it or not, that is up to you and anyone else. But at the least you have more information to formulate your opinion.

[Downwindtracker2]

There should be some old records, there were fur traders in what became our province long before Lewis and Clark.

[wildcatter]

I was there with an archeologist who was examining and testing the site for exactly what Jagermeister had alluded to and the tests turned up more than enough evidence in the pits. The trees with CMTs along the trails were bored for aging and predated chinese, gold rush and early settler time of arrival.

Just an FYI, I normally just read the interesting hunting stories and don't make many comments, but when i see opportunity to shed some additional light on a subject so that we can all make more informed decisions or conclusions I will take that opportunity. IMO we should all be proud of the unique and rich history we have here in BC and not damn it to suit our purpose. Yes there are many issues to address and the government needs to get off their ass and figure it out so there is certainty for everyone.

Still don't agree with you, archeology is a pretty vague science, certain things can be interpreted different
ways, as many findings were dis proven, or not to be accurate.
Just like they say they found clam shells on beaches on the coast, so what?
There are lot's of places around the globe where early humans left certain evidence of human activities.
On that token, should we relocate and give all that land back to descendants, by displacing people who live there now?

[blackbart]

Hmmm What to say about this divisive topic.

1) Society's have ebbed and flowed for longer than there have been records. The only ones now benefitting are the Lawyers representing the Aboriginal Industry. Some one needs to take this concept to court.
2) SRupp - you and your drivel doesn't help. Take a trip to Cariboo Island and walk around. That place is a remarkable arch site. Weird, people used to live where there was lots of food??? Most areas that I hunt have certain amounts of evidence that previous humans used them. This DOES NOT mean that I believe one little bit in different rules for one society or another. Ironically I know where more arch sites are than the local FN do...... Perhaps it is because I am out there hiking around?????

[338win mag]

Not sure what..."somebody lived there" has to do with it. One can't govern a province or Nation on "theories and concepts".
Lets just let the FN in this province slip back to the stone age, mentally they are still there and haven't made any advancement whatsoever in that regard. People in this province have been abandoned by the government, sportsman and those who choose to live their lives on the land and enjoy the bounty of the land will be phucked.

[browningboy]

Just have FN have their reserves and live there if they want no tax, otherwise get a job and pay your share, First Nations only to have their hand out constantly! Enough of this crap, get off the tiet and become a contributing person of society.. I can see civil unrest happening as the new Canadians don’t buy into this shiet.

[HappyJack]

Just have FN have their reserves and live there if they want no tax, otherwise get a job and pay your share, First Nations only to have their hand out constantly! Enough of this crap, get off the tiet and become a contributing person of society.. I can see civil unrest happening as the new Canadians don’t buy into this shiet.

Being non-contributors in our society isn't exclusive to FNs, lots of human beings live on the dole, or welfare, or just stealing your stuff and re-selling. Who gives a flying poop what 'new Canadians' think, they of all people haven't paid their dues yet.

[HappyJack]

Since it has been over 200 years since the arrival of Europeans into central BC, it would be safe to say that those campsites, trails and CMTs that you have personally witnessed might just be the remnants of explorers, traders and miners and not from those that you think. It is always easy to assume all artifacts are FN but given the length of time since European arrival, it can only be case specific. A recent example of this was a burial found just to the east of Monte Creek/Hwy 1 junction. The result of Hwy 1 four lane improvement. The clamor was that these bones were of FN, but somehow a DNA profile was obtained and it was found to be the bones of a Chinese railroad worker and not that of First Nations. The next set a short distance to the east did not receive the DNA profiling because of some sacred bullshit. In other words, FN's are afraid that should a DNA test not show an Indian profile, their claim to be first would be in jeopardy.
In light of the aforementioned, I am beginning to suspect that the historical writings of Thompson, Fraser, Mackenzie and other explorers is being subtly (in a clever and indirect way, in order to achieve something.) altered to create deceptive illusions from what they actually wrote.

What difference would a 'claim to be first' make? Seriously, everyone knows FNs inhabited the america's pre contact, there were no european borders....and really for arguments sake, the bible says Adam and Eve were first.

[358mag]

What difference would a 'claim to be first' make? Seriously, everyone knows FNs inhabited the america's pre contact, there were on european borders....and really for arguments sake, the bible says Adam and Eve were first.
But this is the new Canada , what does the Muhammad + Quran say ?

[HappyJack]

But this is the new Canada , what does the Muhammad + Quran say ?

I honestly have no idea, my early indoctrination was with mean catholic nuns and the bible. Spare the rod, spoil the child...and all that rot.

[browningboy]

I honestly have no idea, my early indoctrination was with mean catholic nuns and the bible. Spare the rod, spoil the child...and all that rot.

the new Canadians are coming in masses, they don’t give a shiet about some deals made 180 years ago, as their population goes up, FN recognition will drop further...
so they will be saying get a fuqqing job!