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andrew5
10-29-2019, 02:00 PM
I went looking for antlers and all I spotted were teeth and claws...

had a moose LEH draw for 7-12 this year and had high hopes. I was there from Sept 28 - Oct 6th. Prime time by most accounts. I had a great time. Felt like i did everything right, and had tons of fresh sign, paired with a beauty bull on trail cam, but didn't see a single moose or deer during shooting light the entire week.

I did come away with some pretty interesting predator encounters though.

Day one, we are set up on the edge of a lake with a marsh and alders. we see tons of fresh tracks, scrapes and droppings, and our hopes are high. after our morning sit, we decide to walk the perimeter of the moose habitat to confirm more sign. sure enough, this place was thick with sign. we turn to go back out to our ground blind, and i see what looks like a doe standing broad side, about twenty yards away from where our blind is. we had heard a stick break about 30 minutes earlier, which we thought was something coming in to our cow calls. i pull out the binos to see if this deer has antlers.

Wooow. Turns out it is a massive cougar, just standing on the edge of the lake, enjoying the warmth of the sun. we ranged him to 200 yards from where we stood. we had the wind, so we walked closer. got to 150 yards. The cat had no idea we were there, and he was huge. he sat down and started cleaning himself, again less than 20 yards from where our stools were. amazing.

fast forward to day three, and we set up on a ridge overlooking a valley that slopes gently downwards. there is a little ridge about 70 yards away, and them more valley. I try throwing a few cow calls out and only a few minutes later, a big, gorgeous white wolf pops over the ridge. he is weary, and starts to move away, popping in and out of cover to check on us as he heads up and over a ridge about 225 yards away.

The trip is still without ungulates, but not without excitement. Then comes day 5...

we do our morning sit in our honey hole, and decide to head back to camp mid day to clean up after 5 hard days of hunting. we stop off at the ridge where we had called in the wolf the day before, just for a quick peak. this place had moose travel sign, and there was a gut pile quite close from 5 days earlier, so we thought, what the hell, why not throw a few calls out.

I set up on the ridge, my partner heads across the road to pop up on the ridge behind me and glass. he has the bear spray, as we are both novices and were hunting together up until this point. this was the first time we had really split up, and we were still only 50 yards and within eyesight of each other. we are facing opposite directions to glass as much area as possible. I am better at calling, so after a few calls down my valley, i turn around to throw one in his direction too. after i finish the cow call, i slowly start glassing back around, from left to right, scanning the tree lines slowly.

all of the sudden, out of the corner of my right eye, I see a massive bear in absolute full charge down that ridge, only 70 yards away. I will never forget the sight of the hair on that huge frame shaking and reflecting the sunlight as she ran. just a massive animal that moved so fast, and with clear intent. Everything from here on out was pure instinct and adrenaline. I am low on hunting experience but very high on time in bear country and bear knowledge, so a very primal "hey bear" which was more of a "do or die" scream came out without even thinking.

from a full sprint doing downhill, 70 yards away (ranged afterwards), the bear put on the brakes and then stood up on its hind quarters. at this point I am shitting my pants, because at the bottom of this ridge, right in front of her, is a patch of 8 foot alders, all the way up to about 7 yards in front of me. if she goes in there, i won't see her until she pops out right on top of me. Thank god the bear turns and slowly walks up and away along the ridge line. I yell to my partner, who i can see up behind me. "BEAR"... with one in the chamber, I follow the bear with the scope for a minute until I am sure the episode is over.

It's been a while since I have felt an adrenaline dump like that.

Some key takeaways:
from now on, if i step out of the truck, even if its for a quick glass only 30 yards away, the bear spray is on me no matter what.

there was almost no chance of me getting a clean shot at that bear, let along killing it. if my life was on the line, I would personally go with spray, as i know i will connect with it, and I would rather have a sprayed bear mauling me than one that i non lethally shot. studies back this up that maulings are less severe with bear spray as well. Check out the now famous Todd Orr bear double grizzly attack for more on this.

This was not a bluff charge, and it was not s surprised bear. This was predatory. The bear did not have our scent, as we were calling straight upwind. It heard what it though was a cow moose, and was running at top speed, low to the ground with clear intent. I believe i am very lucky that the bear was willing and able to switch off the predator mode in such a short time. from what i understand, when a bear commits to predator mode, it is usually 100% committed. I figure she was about 3-4 seconds away from me, given her speed.

I believe this was a mature sow, as it had a slightly longer snout, and a huge ass. likely looking for a big protein hit ahead of hibernation and birth to new cubs in the den. I didn't see any cubs.

Luck was the most important factor.... I was glassing with my naked eye. If my eyes were in the binos, i wouldn't have picked her up in my peripheral, and I likely could have been mauled. Had I turned around a single second slower, i wouldn't have seen her, and she would have been into the alders and i wouldn't have seen her until 7 yards.

I was very lucky. I learned the different precautions needed when hunting in bear country, compared to simply hiking or camping in bear country.

Hopefully next time, i see more antlers than claws.

srupp
10-29-2019, 02:11 PM
Wow..intense...well played..cougar..wolf ...grizzly...trifecta....seeing a large cougar who was unaware of your presence is priceless. .memorable trip indeed.
cheers
srupp

andrew5
10-29-2019, 02:22 PM
I forgot to mention that about the cougar. the fact that we could watch it for 15 minutes with it being none the wiser will likely never happen again for me in my life.

what is the best way to post pics here. I have one of the bear and the :scene of the crime". it seems like this site only allows the smallest of attachment sizes.

Treed
10-29-2019, 04:15 PM
Great story and amazing experiences for you. Glad it all worked out, not always the case with those big brown furry critters. Not many people get attacked by frizz, but I bet many are hunters. I had a run in with a huge black bear this year with only a 3 “ foldable blade. Promised not to put myself in that position again. It’s amazing how much bravado you can show when you know it’s all you got!

albravo2
10-29-2019, 04:33 PM
Very exciting. Thanks for taking us along. Personally, I prefer a gun to spray but the real answer is "whatever you have" when the moment hits.

andrew5
10-29-2019, 04:39 PM
As you can imagine, i went through it in my head a thousand times in the weeks after the hunt, and another main takeaway is that you aren't really thinking when it happens. it's all subconscious reacting.

I also remember that inner voice asking if what was happening was actually real. everyone here has read about close calls with bears, but the fact that it happened to me didn't seem real until it was over, and i could actually slow down and think about what just happened and how close a call it really was.

tigrr
10-29-2019, 05:37 PM
Thanks for the story. I have also lived a similar experience. But my cougar part was running beside the trail I was atv'ing on.
Cougar sighting makes you 1/100000. Wolverine sighting is 1/1000000. I don't want to count the grizzly sightings.

Seth
10-29-2019, 06:11 PM
Buy a lottery ticket! (And a cougar tag). :wink:

Bustercluck
10-29-2019, 06:40 PM
Did the gut pile have anything to do with the bear??? That’s one of those things I avoid in bear country.

DannyO
10-29-2019, 07:30 PM
Great story! Thanks for sharing

andrew5
10-29-2019, 07:56 PM
the gut pile was 5 days old at this point, and directly upwind from the bear, so i can say no it wasn't. I'm sure it was coming into the call. I was 5 days in with no eyes directly on a moose, so my cow calls were sounding pretty desperate. I was thinking it could have maybe sounded like a calf in distress to the bear.

andrew5
10-29-2019, 07:58 PM
I had tags for everything else (Mulie, WT, even elk). not in a thousand years did i think i would have a cougar standing up dead to rights broadside at 150 yards, standing perfectly still. I even had time to set up the bipod, so i could look through steady binos at it. it was a massive one too.

nature girl
10-29-2019, 08:02 PM
Wow that was some excitement for you. When you least expect it something happens.

northof49
10-29-2019, 08:36 PM
the gut pile was 5 days old at this point, and directly upwind from the bear, so i can say no it wasn't. I'm sure it was coming into the call. I was 5 days in with no eyes directly on a moose, so my cow calls were sounding pretty desperate. I was thinking it could have maybe sounded like a calf in distress to the bear.

Griz was likely well aware of the gut pile.....even more so if pile was directly upwind. Shifted gears in a hurry when it heard your moose call. Frequently had them come in to my elk calling but in all cases they came in sneaky quiet rather than rushing in like you experienced. Good it worked out for you...well played and lucky for sure.

KodiakHntr
10-30-2019, 06:08 AM
Generally speaking, when people talk about “predatory bear attacks”, they mean the bear is coming to eat you, full well knowing you are a human.

What you experienced was more likely the precursor to a mistaken identity contact. You sounded like a moose, and the bear was coming for a moose. The fact that she broke off when you clearly identified yourself as a people would lead me to think mistaken identity.



Side note, no shot at the wolf?

hunterdon
10-30-2019, 09:42 AM
Great well written account! Good for many here, especially for those with less bush experience. You certainly did all the right things when needed. Of course every situation/close encounter is different, but thinking clearly and acting quickly is of utmost importance. I can relate.

I had a very large grizzly boar charge me to within 8 yards. Didn't sleep well for a week after that. Had to shoot a cougar just 10 feet from me before it was to jump on my back. As I say, I can relate. Great work bud.

As a side note, with all those large predators around, is it no wonder that the ungulate population overall is way down?

HarryToolips
10-30-2019, 11:48 AM
Great story, and a lot everyone can learn from this...you did a great job, and like you said you were lucky as well...

canucks6
10-30-2019, 12:23 PM
For next time don’t forget the good old saying. ITS COMING RiGHT FOR ME, then u can drift all these predators that the granola eaters are defending.

andrew5
10-30-2019, 12:37 PM
agreed. i should have noted that the predatory nature of the bear was based on mistaken identity. I do wonder how it would have played out if the bear popped out of the alder patch at 7 yards at full tilt. glad i didn't have to find out.

RE: the wolf - no shot. closest it got was 250ish yards, and wasn't in the clear for very long. it started moving away and to the left, and looked like it was strategically sticking to cover. boy they can cover ground fast, even at a slow trot.

Gunner
10-31-2019, 08:26 PM
Holy cow ! I don’t think I could have maintained much composure in that grizzly situation, well done and glad nothing went sideways.
Mrs Gunner

REMINGTON JIM
10-31-2019, 08:31 PM
Great well written account! Good for many here, especially for those with less bush experience. You certainly did all the right things when needed. Of course every situation/close encounter is different, but thinking clearly and acting quickly is of utmost importance. I can relate.

I had a very large grizzly boar charge me to within 8 yards. Didn't sleep well for a week after that. Had to shoot a cougar just 10 feet from me before it was to jump on my back. As I say, I can relate. Great work bud.

As a side note, with all those large predators around, is it no wonder that the ungulate population overall is way down?

How did a G Bear chg to within 8 yds of you ? did he just stop and turn away or what ? Were you armed ? RJ

andrew5
11-01-2019, 09:43 AM
That's all i could think about, and it did sour the experience just a bit for me. You would think that 8 days south of Vanderhof, one would happen upon a single ungulate. We heard shots, but the area had a distinctly "empty" feeling, given how good the habitat looked.

Arctic Lake
11-01-2019, 09:49 AM
That's all i could think about, and it did sour the experience just a bit for me. You would think that 8 days south of Vanderhof, one would happen upon a single ungulate. We heard shots, but the area had a distinctly "empty" feeling, given how good the habitat looked.

Andrew I was on a hunting trip once and was lucky if I saw A bloody squirrel . LOL !
Great that you made it without getting mauled !
Arctic Lake

Centerfire
11-01-2019, 10:03 AM
Wow! That's quite an encounter. I would have had to head straight back to camp to get a clean pair of underwear.

Bugle M In
11-01-2019, 11:20 AM
Great story and amazing experiences for you. Glad it all worked out, not always the case with those big brown furry critters. Not many people get attacked by frizz, but I bet many are hunters. I had a run in with a huge black bear this year with only a 3 “ foldable blade. Promised not to put myself in that position again. It’s amazing how much bravado you can show when you know it’s all you got!

Yup, just get one of those cheap shotguns for around 300$ (forget the name...Churchill???).
Light weight, short, but to the point! (more so then a knife....lol)

hunterdon
11-01-2019, 07:50 PM
How did a G Bear chg to within 8 yds of you ? did he just stop and turn away or what ? Were you armed ? RJ

Hi Jim.

I was on a late whitetail hunting trip up in the high country. It was about an hour after first light. I decided to walk just inside the bush line of a clear cut perhaps to catch a bedded buck. Obviously I was walking slowwwwwly and quiet. I noticed first the massive shoulder hump of the grizz just beyond a large fallen resting tree paralleling the cut block at the edge of the cut block. I did not see the head at first because of the large downed tree, just this big massive black shoulder hump above the resting horizontal tree.

I stood motionless with the rifle shouldered and the ready as he continued in the direction that I had just walked thru. His massive head bobbing with each step. I knew he would cross my walked
path eventually and so I wondered how he would react. Sure enough at that point he stopped suddenly, as if he hit an invisible wall. Head jolted up turned and looked in my direction with eyes focused on me as I stood just 60 yards away.

He first let out a loud woof and kicked it in high gear. I mean really high gear!! He came barreling directly straight at me full speed. With each stride he must have covered 10 yards bounding up and down.
It did not take many bounds at this pace before he would make contact with me. I had it in my mind that I would not shoot until he got really close, as I knew I would not kill him with my 280 Remington, but I might be able to cripple him. Just one shot would do it. As he bounded with each stride, I could see the head come up exposing his neck for a possible shot thru to his spine.
I figured that if I time it right I would pull the trigger just as his head would be at the high point. As I concentrated intently on hitting that mark, I figured 1 more stride and I have to pull the trigger and immediately afterward brace for impact. The idea being that I would render the bear quadriplegic but that his momentum would still carry him directly into me.

Just as I was about to squeeze the the trigger I noticed the grizz slightly veer to my right but still with full speed. I held strong my stance not showing any sign of fear and the bear continued running full speed right pass me getting to within 8 yards or less, all the while with the barrel of my gun focused on that spot of the neck. I never pulled the trigger. He lived and I lived to tell the story exactly as it happened.

While I did not have any fear at the time, probably because of the multitudes of very close encounters I've experienced throughout my lifetime, those learned lessons just put my mind in deep concentration, simply examining all the events as they could possibly unfold. Kind of like playing chess. If the chess player moves this way then I will do this. If he does this move, then I will come back with this, and so on. You run these possible scenarios back and forth thru your head. There's no time for fear, just playing the chess game of your life literally.

Honestly though, after everything is over, then the nerves get rattled. I did not sleep well for about a week after that. Of all the critters in the woods, the grizz is the one that really gets my respect. Up close, they are just soooo BIG!

j270wsm
11-01-2019, 08:53 PM
Crazy story.....I would have fired as many shots as possible.

REMINGTON JIM
11-01-2019, 09:39 PM
WOW ! I KNOW i would have Shot and Much Sooner then 8 Yards too ! :shock: Glad he Never got Ya ! Thanks for Sharing the Story ! :smile: RJ

moosinaround
11-02-2019, 06:42 AM
Dam, exciting experiences! Tough hunting up here right now. Predators are having their way with our ungulates, and we as hunters need to address that! Taking a bear for sausage, or a coyote, or a wolf, are all part of the solution. Wish I could have connected with you when you were up my way. Anytime you swing through, ship me a message, I always have a steak or beverage to share with a fellow hunter! Glad you guys made it back home safely, and good effort on trying to fill that moose tag!! Moosin

Bustercluck
11-02-2019, 06:54 AM
I was charged by a black bear while I was cutting shake blocks on the north end of the island when I was about 20. Me and my partner were heading back to the truck at the end of the day through some thick second growth. All I was carrying was my lunch bag and an empty gas can. I don’t think he knew we were there (and we didn’t know he was there) and when we got close to him and startled him he charged right at us and stopped just short with a 90 degree turn

Deer_Slayer
11-05-2019, 11:18 AM
All the predators maybe explains not seeing any moose, but sounds exciting.