LEGAL or ILLEGAL: A thread to sharpen each other through debate.

[eatram]

Hi Guys and Gals. A different forum on spike/fork moose that seemed to be quite an easy question turned out to be quite the opposite. That got me thinking; we can better help each other and sharpen each other by openly (AND RESPECTFULLY) debate the legalities/illegalities of the synopsis. If we can ALL stay respectful, I believe that this thread could quite possibly help many hunters out and possibly make a significant difference in our decision making while we hunt. Pictures will be VERY welcome. I'll start us off....

[eatram]

Legal or illegal: 4 point mule deer only zone

https://i.postimg.cc/QtMwSP7w/Mulie-one.jpg (https://postimg.cc/qt91v1jx)

https://i.postimg.cc/P5TjYS6s/Mulie-two.jpg (https://postimg.cc/D8jHKPkB)

[Gateholio]

looks legal to me

[KodiakHntr]

Yep. Legal.

[REMINGTON JIM]

Legal ! RJ

[dakoda62]

Legal, over 1 inch

[walks with deer]

i would say illegal 3point buck with two brow tines

[walks with deer]

ps nice thread

[marcus44]

I think it looks more like a whitetail than muley

[Rayne]

I’m curious if that’s legal? personally I don’t think I’d shoot.

[708]

Great idea. Sticking with the spike fork bull theme. Not my photos by the way...


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[walks with deer]

wow awesome pics..
#1would need side angle
#2 looks good still need to see other side.
#3 legal probably get accused of breaking but would shoot in tripalmn zone.
4. scary

[eatram]

Legal or Illegal: Stone Sheep By age?

https://i.postimg.cc/bvL1mmc2/Sheep-legal.jpg (https://postimg.cc/3y4yRCwK)

[Bugle M In]

On the MD, I would have considered it illegal.
As far as I know, we are not allowed to count the brow-tine on an MD, but can on a WT.
However, considering it has double brow tines, both over an inch, than yes, it's legal. (still would like more clarity on it however).

[Bugle M In]

#1, I would not be able to tell until I see a side view of the right side, his right.
#2, appears to be legal but again, need to have a better look on the right antler, his right.
#3. is a bit hazy of a photo, and appears busted off but still legal on his right.
#4, looks illegal an am pretty sure it is busted off on his right, and could be an inch long, but isn't as long as it is "wide", so no in my books.
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Great idea. Sticking with the spike fork bull theme. Not my photos by the way...


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[Bugle M In]

Going to say legal, but i'll be honest, hunting sheep by age is not my way to hunt.
too many mistakes can be made.
Rather hunt full curl unless the ram looks like 10 years!!

Legal or Illegal: Stone Sheep By age?

https://i.postimg.cc/bvL1mmc2/Sheep-legal.jpg (https://postimg.cc/3y4yRCwK)

[Bigdoggdon]

On the MD I think the regs call it legal. Brow tine is defined as Brow Tine - means the first tine projecting forward or upward in the lower 1/3 of the antler of a moose, caribou, elk or deer. So only one point can be considered the brow tine. That being said I probably wouldn't shoot just because I wouldn't want to meet the wrong CO and have to hire a lawyer to explain to the judge how I didn't do anything wrong yet it still cost me 5 grand in legal fees. As for the moose #1 pretty sure he has a 3rd point on the right side and I'd still wait for him to turn his head to be sure. As for 2, 3, and 4 I'm not sure what the legal position is on broken horns, but if those qualify as legal spike fork bulls what's to stop some less ethical people might just shoot any bull and then break off a horn and call it legal.

[Ron.C]

Awesome thread!!!!!

[708]

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[mastercaster]

It appears that both those elk have 6 points on one side ,,,,1st elk: right side might even have 7; 2nd elk: the left side has 6. Would need very good optics, though, before you decide to pull the trigger or not.

[jac]

I would pass on that could be called a brow tune in my opinion.

[wideopenthrottle]

This consolidation is current to June 25, 2019.Link to consolidated regulation (PDF) (http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/content/crbc/crbc/901199259/96488/134_93_multi_dir/?xsl=/templates/browse.xsl)Link to Point in Time (http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/document/id/complete/statreg/134_93_pit)Wildlife Act
Limited Entry Hunting Regulation

[includes amendments up to B.C. Reg. 43/2019, March 6, 2019]Part 1 — General

3 point buck" means a male deer having an antler composed of a main
beam from which no more than 3 tines, each of which is at least 2.5 cm in length
not including the brow tine or basal burr, project beyond the lower third of the
main beam;





Deposited June 15, 1984



This consolidation is current to June 25, 2019.
Link to consolidated regulation (PDF) (http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/content/crbc/crbc/901199259/96488/190_84_multi_dir/?xsl=/templates/browse.xsl)Link to Point in Time (http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/document/id/complete/statreg/190_84_pit)Wildlife Act
Hunting Regulation

[includes amendments up to B.C. Reg. 43/2019, March 6, 2019]Division 1 — Interpretation

"brow tine" means the first lateral branch, of an antler of deer, elk, moose or caribou, that projects forward and occurs in the lower one third of the antler;

[ryanb]

Legal or Illegal: Stone Sheep By age?

https://i.postimg.cc/bvL1mmc2/Sheep-legal.jpg (https://postimg.cc/3y4yRCwK)

It's 8, but as has been seen recently, shooting an 8 year old ram on age can be a risky proposition. Looks like it has the yearling nub, so should be good. Highly doubt the 8th annulus was visible when it was shot with hide though. Shooting on age everyone's minimum should be 9, even with high confidence based on recent events.

[AllDay]

Ya the sheep looks 8 to me, but I think it would be hard for me (rookie sheep Hunter) to confidently judge 8 on that on a live animal unless I could somehow get a look at the top side of the horns and see an obvious dark ring underneath ring #7. I definitely would have a hard time taking my first ram based on age only if it looked like that.

[bchunter181]

first of all awesome thread
for some reason i was under the impression that spike fork couldn't be more than 2 on one side and couldn't start palming on the other side. reading the regs i don't see that anywhere not sure where i got that.so basically if im not mistaken as long as you have 2 point or less on one side it doesn't matter how big the other side is?

this is what confuses me looks like it cant be bigger than 3 point on one side
http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7473&stc=1


1.would need to see his right side looks like i might see a 3rd piont but on that pic wouldnt shoot
2.looks like a spike on his right again wouldnt shoot unless get better angle of right side
3.wouldnt shoot looks to be broken from what i can see
4.this one is strange def would need to see the other side. so no on this angle


Great idea. Sticking with the spike fork bull theme. Not my photos by the way...


1:

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2:

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3:

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4:

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[eatram]

I really appreciate that you have all respectfully weighed in. Let's keep this going in this direction. There are a lot of rules that we have "inherited" or read in ourselves. I think that this thread is a great way to expose all of us with our biases, opinions and pre-conceived notions. I'm loving your answers and questions, and the especially the honesty. I have to admit, I'm having a hard time biting my tongue right now, but this is a great excercise for all of us. Great job, keep em coming.

[bchunter181]

biting your tongue on what?


I really appreciate that you have all respectfully weighed in. Let's keep this going in this direction. There are a lot of rules that we have "inherited" or read in ourselves. I think that this thread is a great way to expose all of us with our biases, opinions and pre-conceived notions. I'm loving your answers and questions, and the especially the honesty. I have to admit, I'm having a hard time biting my tongue right now, but this is a great excercise for all of us. Great job, keep em coming.

[708]

5 Point Bull?

1:

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2:

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3:

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[eatram]

biting your tongue on what?

I don't want to be the guy who asks a question and then answers it before listening.

[porthunter]

5 Point Bull?

1:

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2:

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3:

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1. Legal
2. Based on what I can see, wouldnt shoot.
3. Not legal

[Dannybuoy]

This consolidation is current to June 25, 2019.Link to consolidated regulation (PDF) (http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/content/crbc/crbc/901199259/96488/134_93_multi_dir/?xsl=/templates/browse.xsl)

Link to Point in Time (http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/document/id/complete/statreg/134_93_pit)

Wildlife Act


Limited Entry Hunting Regulation



[includes amendments up to B.C. Reg. 43/2019, March 6, 2019]
Part 1 — General

3 point buck" means a male deer having an antler composed of a main
beam from which no more than 3 tines, each of which is at least 2.5 cm in length
not including the brow tine or basal burr, project beyond the lower third of the
main beam;





Deposited June 15, 1984


This consolidation is current to June 25, 2019.
Link to consolidated regulation (PDF) (http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/content/crbc/crbc/901199259/96488/190_84_multi_dir/?xsl=/templates/browse.xsl)

Link to Point in Time (http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/document/id/complete/statreg/190_84_pit)

Wildlife Act


Hunting Regulation



[includes amendments up to B.C. Reg. 43/2019, March 6, 2019]
Division 1 — Interpretation

"brow tine" means the first lateral branch, of an antler of deer, elk, moose or caribou, that projects forward and occurs in the lower one third of the antler;
So based on this , that MD is a 3 point ? Which is how I see it but ?

[Bugle M In]

#1 & #2 are to me both 6 points. #1 might even be a 7x6 but I would want him to turn towards me a bit so I can make sure his left brow ines are both on his left side (optics can fool you from that angle!) and he isn't showing one of his brow tines on his right but could be there and he appears to have an extra sticker just above his 4th point.
#2 just has a broken tine on his right making him only 5 point on that side but his left has 6 point, but would like to see him wiggle his head to make sure that 6th point is not a branch in the background.
Again, both would have to turn before I would ever shoot!!

1:

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2:

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[wideopenthrottle]

So based on this , that MD is a 3 point ? Which is how I see it but ?

depends on if that first point is "forward" enough and I have no clue if it constitutes a "basal burr"...even after reading the actual regs (as opposed to the synopsis) I am still unsure on that muley

[RiverOtter]

Is a spur still a spur, if it's greater than 1"...?

[eatram]

.... i've never even heard of a basal burr before....

[rocksteady]

I was not aware that they had changed the spike/ fork immature moose definition.. thanks for the update...

Last moose draw was 8 years ago, finally drew again this year. May come in handy during the s/f season

[Ltbullken]

I'd put the ram at 8 years.

[rocksteady]

I think both elk are legal but would glass them til they turned before flinging lead

[walks with deer]

i still say that muley is a 3 point.

[boxhitch]

Agreed, it appears to have the typical vertical rising eye guard plus an extra spur at the base
iirc there has been discussion about this spur/eye guard on mule deer in regard to how it is not counted as a typical tine, where on a white tail the tine is smooth and usually longer more typical of other wt tines
The burrs on md can reach some length, are usually rough and gnarly but are not considered tines.

[boxhitch]

I was not aware that they had changed the spike/ fork immature moose definition.. thanks for the update...

Last moose draw was 8 years ago, finally drew again this year. May come in handy during the s/f seasonI am surprised as the immature reg was changed years ago and has been discussed here on HBC numerous times
Just shows to go ya the value of threads like this

[boxhitch]

With hair on, that ram would be tough to age at 8 yo. Given the amount of growth between 5-6 and 6-7 there could well be 2+ inches at the base for the current seasons growth.
The change in colour by its self is not an indicator of another year.
When trying to add another year at the base like this, one has to consider the amount of growth there should be for the current 8-9 month growth season
The amount of growth in years 7, 8, and 9 will vary from ram to ram, and change with health and environment conditions, so thee are no givens or automatics to the aging process

[eatram]

Legal or Illegal: Any buck season; less than an inch... (btw, queen charlottes deer, but not for this exercise)

https://i.postimg.cc/PJfv7m75/Blacktail.png (https://postimg.cc/S25K2zqB)

[Bigdoggdon]

Definition of "Buck" "visible bony antler" no minimum length. So legal

[Bugle M In]

Legal or Illegal: Any buck season; less than an inch... (btw, queen charlottes deer, but not for this exercise)

https://i.postimg.cc/PJfv7m75/Blacktail.png (https://postimg.cc/S25K2zqB)

Legal, but I have to ask, who had that "mounted"!!!
That cracks me up!

[eatram]

This consolidation is current to June 25, 2019.Link to consolidated regulation (PDF) (http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/content/crbc/crbc/901199259/96488/134_93_multi_dir/?xsl=/templates/browse.xsl)Link to Point in Time (http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/document/id/complete/statreg/134_93_pit)Wildlife Act
Limited Entry Hunting Regulation

[includes amendments up to B.C. Reg. 43/2019, March 6, 2019]Part 1 — General

3 point buck" means a male deer having an antler composed of a main
beam from which no more than 3 tines, each of which is at least 2.5 cm in length
not including the brow tine or basal burr, project beyond the lower third of the
main beam;





Deposited June 15, 1984



This consolidation is current to June 25, 2019.
Link to consolidated regulation (PDF) (http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/content/crbc/crbc/901199259/96488/190_84_multi_dir/?xsl=/templates/browse.xsl)Link to Point in Time (http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/document/id/complete/statreg/190_84_pit)Wildlife Act
Hunting Regulation

[includes amendments up to B.C. Reg. 43/2019, March 6, 2019]Division 1 — Interpretation

"brow tine" means the first lateral branch, of an antler of deer, elk, moose or caribou, that projects forward and occurs in the lower one third of the antler;


OK, I finally found your "3 point buck" definition. Now just a couple of definitions lower, is the one about a "4 point buck". Here it is copied.

“4 point buck” means a male deer having an antler composed of a main beam from
which 4 or more tines, not including the brow tine, project, each of which is at
least 2.5 cm in length;

In this description, it fails to mention anything about a basal burr. I wonder if the 3 point buck is intended to have a bit of a spin to it to reduce the 3 pointer herds... Kinda hard to interpret the rules....

Happy Debating...

PS. The buck in this description better not be a female one with antlers. Every few years one is shot. What then?! Is that illegal?! Yet this rule states "male deer"...

[wos]

OK, I finally found your "3 point buck" definition. Now just a couple of definitions lower, is the one about a "4 point buck". Here it is copied.

“4 point buck” means a male deer having an antler composed of a main beam from
which 4 or more tines, not including the brow tine, project, each of which is at
least 2.5 cm in length;

In this description, it fails to mention anything about a basal burr. I wonder if the 3 point buck is intended to have a bit of a spin to it to reduce the 3 pointer herds... Kinda hard to interpret the rules....

Happy Debating...

PS. The buck in this description better not be a female one with antlers. Every few years one is shot. What then?! Is that illegal?! Yet this rule states "male deer"...
Our season is an antlerd season not a buck season.
You can shoot an antlerd doe.

[Ron.C]

My buddy shot a WT two years back that he thought was a buck. Turned out it was an antlered doe. He cut his tag as "antlered" .

Checked with the CO and were told that was the correct way to cut the tag in that circumstance as the deer was in fact antleted. The sex was irrelevant as long as the head remained attached until the animal was at a cutter or home for processing.

And take pics.

If you are really unsure after you drop an animal and you made am honest mistake, you can self report.

[S.W.A.T.]

My buddy shot a WT two years back that he thought was a buck. Turned out it was an antlered doe. He cut his tag as "antlered" .

Checked with the CO and were told that was the correct way to cut the tag in that circumstance as the deer was in fact antleted. The sex was irrelevant as long as the head remained attached until the animal was at a cutter or home for processing.

And take pics.

If you are really unsure after you drop an animal and you made am honest mistake, you can self report.

I've heard of this with moose, female with a spike fork.

[303savage]

This is how the 4 point regulation is defined. Mule (black-tailed) deer. Four points or greater buck means any buck having at least four tines EXCLUDING the brow tine on one antler

[walks with deer]

assuming that little blacktail was someones first deer...

my first deer was a blacktail doe when i was 10...
i still have the tail.

[eatram]

Legal, but I have to ask, who had that "mounted"!!!
That cracks me up!

At first glance, I believe that everyone would have this reaction. But then thinking about hunting a bit more, we come to the realization that the mount on the wall stands as an EBENEEZER (a monument to ponder on, and why it was put up in the first place). Every hunting success has a back story. This particular buck has a story worth mounting. It was by far not my first buck. We all have stories like this one. Usually your biggest mount doesn't have the biggest story. PS. That hide is now 24 years old. It is a piece of art, made my my late grandfather (made it to 99). If you look closely, you see that there is a second half to this mount to the right. But this thread is not about stories; that will be for another day. This thread is for us to break our notions of what we think is legal and illegal. Collection of wisdom.

[Firstblood]

To continue the basal burr convo, this is a MD I took a few years ago, it was a 4x5 without the brows or burs but where do these stand as far as counter points go regarding out convo. If it was a 3x3 main frame how to these factor in? https://imgur.com/Svu0zkkThe nub on the base is 1'' exactly, then burr then brow. https://i.imgur.com/Svu0zkk.jpg

[RiverOtter]

Legal 4pt, as the first tine would count as the brow.

The basal burrs/spurs, assuming they do make 1", are right in the hair, so field judgement of those would be nearly impossible.

[Browning 3\d]

thats legal it`s a dam white tail it does not fork

[curt]

yup both bulls are 6 pts

[mountainman2]

I think its a whitetail as well and the sheep is only 7 years at best, usually there is a change of plane with every growth ring , that's why I am calling it 7, with a full side view it might be full curl.

[ryanb]

I think its a whitetail as well and the sheep is only 7 years at best, usually there is a change of plane with every growth ring , that's why I am calling it 7, with a full side view it might be full curl.

There's a chip in the near side that makes the dish hard to see. Can see it in the far side horn. If the 7th was a false ring the 6th year segment would be bigger than the 4th and fifth.

[Seth]

Legal or Illegal: Stone Sheep By age?

https://i.postimg.cc/bvL1mmc2/Sheep-legal.jpg (https://postimg.cc/3y4yRCwK)
Let’s see a pic of the other ram you’ve got hanging!

[HarryToolips]

On the MD, I would have considered it illegal.
As far as I know, we are not allowed to count the brow-tine on an MD, but can on a WT.
However, considering it has double brow tines, both over an inch, than yes, it's legal. (still would like more clarity on it however).
Great thread OP.....the brow tine is the first tine in the first third of the antler projecting upward or forward, so that first tine counts as a brow tine therefore the next tine counts therefore it's legal imo....

[HarryToolips]

Great idea. Sticking with the spike fork bull theme. Not my photos by the way...


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I'd say 1 is not legal, but the other 3 are legal, since a spike fork bull moose has two points or less on one antler and those antlers all on each of those moose's RHS all are antlers that have zero points...

[HarryToolips]

It appears that both those elk have 6 points on one side ,,,,1st elk: right side might even have 7; 2nd elk: the left side has 6. Would need very good optics, though, before you decide to pull the trigger or not.
I agree........

[HarryToolips]

5 Point Bull?

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1. Legal, 2. I'd have to see other side, 3. Illegal...

[HarryToolips]

Definition of "Buck" "visible bony antler" no minimum length. So legal
I agree...boom stick goes off....

[eatram]

Let’s see a pic of the other ram you’ve got hanging!

https://i.postimg.cc/N0ctQ9pJ/Sheep-neighbour.jpg (https://postimg.cc/75mdV6v0)


This thread has me re-thinking some of what I thought "I knew". I always thought that a moose with a broken off antler would be considered a 2 point bull, but I didn't give it any thought at what point the break was. Longer than thicker is the rule. Thanks forums...

[Ltbullken]

5 Point Bull?

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1. Looks legal but pic angle kinda blurs what looks like a 5th point.
2. Need a better look but likely a pass.
3. Nope let him walk.

[peashooter]

How old is this deer? He qualifies with visible bone but calf is not legal (under a year). At least that's my take on it...

[eatram]

How old is this deer? He qualifies with visible bone but calf is not legal (under a year). At least that's my take on it...

Interesting question with interesting comment. Can you site your reference to this rule?

[porthunter]

https://i.postimg.cc/N0ctQ9pJ/Sheep-neighbour.jpg (https://postimg.cc/75mdV6v0)


This thread has me re-thinking some of what I thought "I knew". I always thought that a moose with a broken off antler would be considered a 2 point bull, but I didn't give it any thought at what point the break was. Longer than thicker is the rule. Thanks forums...

Nice rams!!

[eatram]

How old is this deer? He qualifies with visible bone but calf is not legal (under a year). At least that's my take on it...

Buck or Bull - with reference to deer, moose
or elk means one bearing visible bony antlers,
but does not include a calf; with reference to
caribou means a male bearing visible bony
antlers, but does not include a calf.


Calf - means a moose, elk or caribou less than
twelve (12) months of age.

[HarryToolips]

https://i.postimg.cc/N0ctQ9pJ/Sheep-neighbour.jpg (https://postimg.cc/75mdV6v0)


This thread has me re-thinking some of what I thought "I knew". I always thought that a moose with a broken off antler would be considered a 2 point bull, but I didn't give it any thought at what point the break was. Longer than thicker is the rule. Thanks forums...
Now may I ask: longer than thicker when it comes to a tine yes, but antler no...with the moose pics given, those bulls all have longer noses, and have visibly bony antlers - less than two points, they have zero points, therefore IMO count as a legal 'spike fork bull' - someone plz correct me if I'm wrong - I have studied this to death, as it cost me a immature bull one day...

Beauty rams btw congrats....

[Dash]

Well I never thought I'd actually have something to contribute to this thread but lo and behold I do! haha. Those that know me know I'm still a new hunter with only 2 deer under my belt and with that being said, I'm really curious to hear others opinions on these photos. We decided to try our luck at using some trail cams for the first time and it appears we have a 3 point/unlikely spike-fork bull on it. I'll start off by saying I wouldn't shoot it because I can't tell how large those little nubs are. I'm also guessing that come November with his velvet gone and a couple more months of growth that they'll be a bit more defined.

Help a gal out and let me know your thoughts :)

https://i.imgur.com/J9LN3LY.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/HBdZx86.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/LZ07ii2.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/YnmaC6K.jpg

[Dash]

https://i.imgur.com/yQsU2QV.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/M8Rwhrb.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/DfiiJfo.jpg

[quadrakid]

I am guessing he is going to have at least three on each side.

[Mutter87]

[QUOTE=eatram;2100695]Legal or illegal: 4 point mule deer only zone

https://i.postimg.cc/QtMwSP7w/Mulie-one.jpg (https://postimg.cc/qt91v1jx)

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Would be a 3 point regardless of Basel burr based off the protrusion occurring in the lower 1/3 of the Antler. My understanding from the information provided is that a tine must occur in the top 2/3’rds of an Antler for it to be considered a “Tine”

[Dash]

I am guessing he is going to have at least three on each side.

For learning purposes, I'm curious if your opinion is based on his current appearance or what he's anticipated to look like come November? I'm just curious how much they grow and change still at this stage

[j270wsm]

Considering the pic was taken aug 14....I’m going to say he will not grow anymore this yr. Based on the measurements for moose times, I will also bet that he won’t have 3pts on his right side. The little bump in the middle won’t be long enough and the back one is too wide. But I’ve also been wrong before....lol

[VLD43]

Dash
Based on your pictures and what I read in the Regs, I would say that bull looks like a two point. I would look in the regs under "Tine or Point" definition. Read it very carefully and decide. I will interested in what your interpretation or feedback is. My opinion is based on that very definition. This is great practice at home, and will make you a more skilled hunter in the long run.

[Mudsey]

Question for others on this board. A few years ago a friend of mine shot a bull moose during the immature season. The bull had one antler with 3 points on one side and the second antler was non existent. Was it a legal immature bull as per the definition?

[HarryToolips]

For learning purposes, I'm curious if your opinion is based on his current appearance or what he's anticipated to look like come November? I'm just curious how much they grow and change still at this stage
I agree with Quadrakid, he's probably going to have 3 points on each antler..antlers grow quite fast, and given that he's still in velvet, each time I would think will become more distinct..nice pics..

[HarryToolips]

Question for others on this board. A few years ago a friend of mine shot a bull moose during the immature season. The bull had one antler with 3 points on one side and the second antler was non existent. Was it a legal immature bull as per the definition?
Wow that's a hard one...I would think since the regs say a spike fork can't have more than two tines on one antler but it doesn't say it can have zero tines on a non existent antler it would be illegal unless it had even a little bit of a bony protrusion then it would be ok but I could be wrong..

[Mudsey]

You nailed it. Being a conscientious hunter he took it to the CO's and that's what they determined. He lost the moose and received a warning.

[Rotorwash]

I took a mule deer one year that was a 4x5 but on one side he had forking brow tines that were longer than an inch each.. would one of those count as an extra tine?

Also there is a buck that hangs around my place that has one antler that runs down along his jaw that has many 1" ish Tines coming off the whole length but no forking of the beams... would he be legal if there is 5 of them? One of his offspring has tines splitting on that side and was going into its face this year.. poor thing

[adamgarbett]

Shooting deer with a .223?

[Redthies]

Shooting deer with a .223?

Are you asking if it’s legal? If so, yes, it is. .223 is a centerfire cartridge and that’s all the regs specify. Lots of guys hunt deer with .223, but that doesn’t make it a good idea. I personally feel .243 is the minimum I’d ever carry for deer, with something like 7mm-08 being ideal. But just saying that is going to open a giant can of worms.

[adamgarbett]

I completely agree. It was just a question to throw in the mix

[wideopenthrottle]

here is one that someone (lets call him tideopenwottle) actually did...heheheheh ...it was years ago and I had no idea if I was doing anything wrong or not...what do you guys think?...I put it in the hunting pranks thread

WT hunting with my main hunting buddy about 8 years ago IIRC...we split up to circle around an area and were going to meet up in a few hours near a road that wound through the area....
as I was slowly approaching our meeting point, I heard a bang...I ducked and waited a moment cuz it was only a few hundred yards away...I then heard another bang and thumpity thumpity thumpity crash less than 50 yards away...

I walked over to it carefully and waited a minute or two but no sign of my buddy....so I started to gut it....I actually finished gutting it and dragged it to within a few yards of the road....I decided I would put it out of sight a bit in case a truck came by on the road and then go find buddy....

When I found him a few hundred yards from where I had found the deer I asked if he got one, where did he shoot from, did he see blood, did it feel like a hit all the usual stuff?...he said he thinks he was dialed in but might have missed....like a good hunting buddy I offered to help him look for it.....

we walked around for 15 minutes while he kept saying he thinks he must have missed but I say lets keep looking.....finally he says lets just head back to the road...I say ok but lets do one last sweep for blood as we move towards the road...

I could barely contain myself as we were getting close to the road and he noticed the drag marks and the blood trail...we both laughed hysterically for a good long time when I pointed to his deer behind the log near the road....

[Rock Doctor]

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7557&stc=1

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7556&stc=1

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7558&stc=1

[Dash]

Dash
Based on your pictures and what I read in the Regs, I would say that bull looks like a two point. I would look in the regs under "Tine or Point" definition. Read it very carefully and decide. I will interested in what your interpretation or feedback is. My opinion is based on that very definition. This is great practice at home, and will make you a more skilled hunter in the long run.

Thanks so much for the feedback. I have indeed read that section a few different times and I've really gone back and forth. Based on that, I think his left side is in a grey area simply because I really can't gauge the size of that tine in between. I feel like what may look small in a camera could be just big enough in real life considering they're such large animals. His right side though, based on the current appearance I really think qualifies as a two point. That middle nub is just not high or wide enough. With that being said, I'm really inexperienced with the growth rates and how much that could change come November.

I really appreciate hearing everyone's feedback!

[Muliechaser]

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7557&stc=1

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7556&stc=1

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7558&stc=1

100% legal as a "spikefork"

[eatram]

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7557&stc=1

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7556&stc=1

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7558&stc=1

Nice example of how to be legal both ways, yet both legalities are not in the "spirit" of the rule. If this bull was close to the truck, I'da whacked em. Nice example.

[303savage]

Page 5 of regs, "Mule (black-tail) deer - Four points or grater buck =Means any buck having at least 4 tines EXCLUDING THE BROW TINE. on one antler ON Page 5 of the regulations

[Rock Doctor]

Nice example of how to be legal both ways, yet both legalities are not in the "spirit" of the rule. If this bull was close to the truck, I'da whacked em. Nice example.

Yes, the local CO at the time said legal either way.

RD

[Firstblood]

New question: Hunting upland or ducks with a dog working the bush or lookin for ducks. A deer walks out of the bush within range and in season. You load a slug and shoot the deer....according to letter of the law a dog must be on leash when hunting big game but can be off leash for hunting birds, waterfowl or any of the hound hunting species.
What do you all think?

[eatram]

New question: Hunting upland or ducks with a dog working the bush or lookin for ducks. A deer walks out of the bush within range and in season. You load a slug and shoot the deer....according to letter of the law a dog must be on leash when hunting big game but can be off leash for hunting birds, waterfowl or any of the hound hunting species.
What do you all think?

How big is the buck?!

[VLD43]

Thanks so much for the feedback. I have indeed read that section a few different times and I've really gone back and forth. Based on that, I think his left side is in a grey area simply because I really can't gauge the size of that tine in between. I feel like what may look small in a camera could be just big enough in real life considering they're such large animals. His right side though, based on the current appearance I really think qualifies as a two point. That middle nub is just not high or wide enough. With that being said, I'm really inexperienced with the growth rates and how much that could change come November.

I really appreciate hearing everyone's feedback!

Dash
Good call. Your on the right track. With the bull in velvet it is hard to tell, but I agree with you that the right side looks to be only two points. The bump in the middle appears to be wider than it is high. IAW the regs that would mean its not a point or tine. What do you think?

[HarryToolips]

I took a mule deer one year that was a 4x5 but on one side he had forking brow tines that were longer than an inch each.. would one of those count as an extra tine?

Also there is a buck that hangs around my place that has one antler that runs down along his jaw that has many 1" ish Tines coming off the whole length but no forking of the beams... would he be legal if there is 5 of them? One of his offspring has tines splitting on that side and was going into its face this year.. poor thing
Since the brow tine is the first tine projecting upward or forward on the lower third of the antler, I would say that the extra lower tine would count as a tine as long as that tine is not only longer than an inch, but is also longer than its breadth..

[HarryToolips]

You nailed it. Being a conscientious hunter he took it to the CO's and that's what they determined. He lost the moose and received a warning.
Good to know, thanks man..

[HarryToolips]

here is one that someone (lets call him tideopenwottle) actually did...heheheheh ...it was years ago and I had no idea if I was doing anything wrong or not...what do you guys think?...I put it in the hunting pranks thread

WT hunting with my main hunting buddy about 8 years ago IIRC...we split up to circle around an area and were going to meet up in a few hours near a road that wound through the area....
as I was slowly approaching our meeting point, I heard a bang...I ducked and waited a moment cuz it was only a few hundred yards away...I then heard another bang and thumpity thumpity thumpity crash less than 50 yards away...

I walked over to it carefully and waited a minute or two but no sign of my buddy....so I started to gut it....I actually finished gutting it and dragged it to within a few yards of the road....I decided I would put it out of sight a bit in case a truck came by on the road and then go find buddy....

When I found him a few hundred yards from where I had found the deer I asked if he got one, where did he shoot from, did he see blood, did it feel like a hit all the usual stuff?...he said he thinks he was dialed in but might have missed....like a good hunting buddy I offered to help him look for it.....

we walked around for 15 minutes while he kept saying he thinks he must have missed but I say lets keep looking.....finally he says lets just head back to the road...I say ok but lets do one last sweep for blood as we move towards the road...

I could barely contain myself as we were getting close to the road and he noticed the drag marks and the blood trail...we both laughed hysterically for a good long time when I pointed to his deer behind the log near the road....
Lol your a good friend you did all the work for him heck I'd throw you a steak maybe lol..

[HarryToolips]

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7557&stc=1

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7556&stc=1

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7558&stc=1
Hell yeah bang flopper for sure just like you did..

[HarryToolips]

New question: Hunting upland or ducks with a dog working the bush or lookin for ducks. A deer walks out of the bush within range and in season. You load a slug and shoot the deer....according to letter of the law a dog must be on leash when hunting big game but can be off leash for hunting birds, waterfowl or any of the hound hunting species.
What do you all think?
Lol before you point the gun at the deer leash him up, as soon as you start firing at birds again let him loose..

[wideopenthrottle]

Lol your a good friend you did all the work for him heck I'd throw you a steak maybe lol..

heheheh....we are split everything hunting buddies anyway....i got mine later that evening almost at camp...it was a trip where we actually both had game, still had a few days left, weather was perfect for hanging and got to end the hunting with some nice relaxing camping/sitting around the fire....very sweet

[Mutter87]

New question: Hunting upland or ducks with a dog working the bush or lookin for ducks. A deer walks out of the bush within range and in season. You load a slug and shoot the deer....according to letter of the law a dog must be on leash when hunting big game but can be off leash for hunting birds, waterfowl or any of the hound hunting species.
What do you all think?

i’d say Illegal. You brought big game loads with you as well as a big game license for the intention of shooting big game if it appeared while you were hunting birds with your dog.

[Rotorwash]

What about having a rifle in the truck in case you see a bear in a cutblock while your on your way to an area to bowhunt in early season?

[Muliechaser]

What about having a rifle in the truck in case you see a bear in a cutblock while your on your way to an area to bowhunt in early season?

Absolutly legal

[Firstblood]

Mutter87, you are required to carry all tags even cancelled ones with you at all times when hunting in BC, small game or big. And carrying a gun for everything thats in season is not illegal. Saying that, I would agree having a dog offleash and shooting a deer is letter of the law illegal, just wanted to pose a unique situation that I have encountered.

[Redthies]

i’d say Illegal. You brought big game loads with you as well as a big game license for the intention of shooting big game if it appeared while you were hunting birds with your dog.

I occasionally carry both bird and deer loads when I hunt with my dog. If he’s with me, I’m hunting birds, but if I see a deer a couple of hundred yards away and the dog has NOT aided in helping me see it, I’ll leash him up and switch gears.

[Rotorwash]

Absolutly legal

Thanks. Tomorrow is one of those occasions

[HarryToolips]

heheheh....we are split everything hunting buddies anyway....i got mine later that evening almost at camp...it was a trip where we actually both had game, still had a few days left, weather was perfect for hanging and got to end the hunting with some nice relaxing camping/sitting around the fire....very sweet
Gotta love those trips..

[Pocahontas]

Very good thread, keep 'em coming!