LEH Group Hunts vs Individual Applications succes Rate

[Bugle M In]

Going to apply for Moose this year, and it has the group hunt option.
But I want to know something, statistically speaking.
I heard that group hunt applications quite often give better percentage of winning over an individual application (regardless of odds here folks).

Is that true?
OR
is it better to just apply as an individual?
OR
No real difference or Advantage?

[browningboy]

For the last 8 years or whatever has made no real difference from my perspective

[IronNoggin]

I found that we were more successful going with the "shared" draws rather than individual.
Even managed to draw 3 years back to back under supposedly "reduced odds" by doing so.

Good Luck!
Nog

[todbartell]

Moose and bison are shared hunts, not group hunts. Putting in 3-4 hunters together on a shared moose hunt increases the odds of getting drawn. They go into the draw as separate applications, and if one gets drawn, every member of the shared hunt can buy a tag. For 3-4 hunters in a shared group, the bag limit will be two animals total.

Group hunts go in as one application. If drawn, all members can get a tag and bag limit would be one animal each.

[Swissrallyman]

Group hunts get treated the same as individual application in that they assigned one number for the computer draw. However if one person in the group is flagged for reduced odds the entire group gets flagged. So you might have better odds applying as an individual if any one member of your group was successful in the leh draw for the species last year otherwise there is no difference.

[Bugle M In]

Thanks Guys!
Grouped and shared Hunts is something I have never applied for.
To be honest, other than recent LM Elk hunt draws, the only time I applied for LEH was for Goat tags:shock:

Moose has never been on my radar as a hunt as I am way to deep into my elk hunts.
But, I have had better chances at harvesting Moose where I go now, and has been so for the past 10 years.
(I just never read the fine print where I could go with bow before Oct 15th....stupid on my part)
Thus I thought I was never there to hunt them at that point, so never applied.

Todd:
Yes, Shared hunt is the right scenario I was thinking about.
Just lack of knowledge on the whole thing, thus the thread.

Cheers guys, and yes, good luck to all!

[willyqbc]

Statistically, the "odds" are better in a "shared" hunt....look at it this way...for a group of four to get 2 moose tags...only 1 out of the four has to get drawn. 4 individuals putting in, 2 out of 4 have to be drawn to get the same 2 moose tags. However, in the shared hunt scenario you automatically eliminate the chance for a 3rd and 4th tag. 4 individuals could possibly draw 4 tags....not real likely that your group of partners would go 4 for 4....but anything is possible!

[Darksith]

People get group and shared mixed up.

Basically a group is we all go and we all get to harvest something or we don't go at all
Shared is we all go, only some of us get to harvest something but at least we get to go

You will have better odds in shared, same odds in group. Personally, I only put in shared hunts for moose and bison, it does increase your odds of success, and the animals are large enough its easy to divvy up the meat.

You would put in for say a group hunt where its something like a fly in caribou hunt where people won't invest in the trip unless they get a tag...so you all go and hold tags or you don't go at all...

[Bugle M In]

This is the deal.
There are about 15 permits available (10:1 odds appr)

If I did apply as a shared hunt, and up to 4 of us did the same for his particular draw.

What happens if "only one of us gets drawn", and it is the "very last permit (the 15th permit).
If that was me, do I lose out because I went in as a "shared" hunt and they give out "2 tags", but remember, at that point, there is only 1 left.
(Its all good if I or one of the other 3 get drawn say before the 12th permit)

So that is my "concern".
What happens if a shared hunt gets drawn, but only 1 permit remains to be drawn?

Do I get dumped because I in the shared hunt, and then someone in the "individual format" gets picked??

Just confused a bit when it comes down to the crucnh of last permit in the barrel for that draw.

[Swissrallyman]

http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/wildlife/hunting/resident/docs/leh_system.pdf

[Bugle M In]

http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/wildlife/hunting/resident/docs/leh_system.pdf

Thanks,

So under Group Hunt vs Shared Hunt, i found this, which sounds like a shared hunt is only 1 tag, so it doesn't matter if you are picked with the last permit, it just allows for the group, as long as they all hold a moose tag, to hunt for 1 moose under the same permit.
Group hunt allows for a 2nd permit, if 3 or more are listed in the entry.
But, if it is the last permit, and you are 3 or more, you loss that draw as there are not enought permits available.
LIMITED ENTRY GROUP APPLICATIONS ARE HANDLED
However, if the computer looks at a group application and there are too few authorizations still available for the hunt of choice to give each member of the group an authorization, then the entire group is passed over and not assigned any authorizations
LIMITED ENTRY SHARED MOOSE HUNTS
Unlike the regular group applications described in the previous section, group Shared Hunt applications enter the draw individually rather than as one. If any member of a group application for a Shared Hunt is drawn, then the entire group is drawn. Therefore, a group of four applying
for a Shared Hunt has four chances to be drawn whereas an individual application has only one chance.

[carnivore]

This is the deal.
There are about 15 permits available (10:1 odds appr)

If I did apply as a shared hunt, and up to 4 of us did the same for his particular draw.

What happens if "only one of us gets drawn", and it is the "very last permit (the 15th permit).
If that was me, do I lose out because I went in as a "shared" hunt and they give out "2 tags", but remember, at that point, there is only 1 left.
(Its all good if I or one of the other 3 get drawn say before the 12th permit)

So that is my "concern".
What happens if a shared hunt gets drawn, but only 1 permit remains to be drawn?

Do I get dumped because I in the shared hunt, and then someone in the "individual format" gets picked??

Just confused a bit when it comes down to the crucnh of last permit in the barrel for that draw.

If
only one authorization remains in the
draw, and a Shared Hunt group of three
or four persons is drawn, the group
will be authorized to take one moose
or bison only.

[quadrakid]

Your odds are much better of going moose hunting if applying as a shared hunt ,just make sure no one in your group is under reduced odds because of recently being drawn. If one is under reduced odds then all of you are under reduced odds.

[j270wsm]

Don’t be scared by the reduced odds...... a good friend, his brother and dad were drawn for shared moose twice in 3 yrs. yes your odds are reduced but 3-4 reduced odds entries are still better than one individual entry.

[Bugle M In]

Thanks all.
I got it all "straightened away" now.
Thanks for all the help and clarity.